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cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
August 28 2013 13:53 GMT
#141
Interesting. Can see this working out really well. eSF and gom joins. We get no more of this silly piggyback wcs and we get a unified PL or something like that. It really depends on GOM though. Seems to me that the teams have little choice. They kind of have to join and this has made it so much easier for them.

I guess it could put gom in a awkward position depending on how things go and how their relationship with kespa is already. If all the teams join kespa (basically dissolving esf), then gom might be left out. Hopefully this is all good news though^^
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 28 2013 13:56 GMT
#142
On August 28 2013 22:53 cYaN wrote:
Interesting. Can see this working out really well. eSF and gom joins. We get no more of this silly piggyback wcs and we get a unified PL or something like that. It really depends on GOM though. Seems to me that the teams have little choice. They kind of have to join and this has made it so much easier for them.


If this were the case, it would be great.
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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
August 28 2013 13:57 GMT
#143
Every time I read this I think "Major got into a Kespa team again?" for a split second.
FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
August 28 2013 13:58 GMT
#144
Bravo to KeSPA for keeping up with the times and adapting. Hopefully this will bridge that stupid divide they have in Korean esports right now. What I really don't understand is the evil powerplay, monopoly things that people are saying. Can't they have just responded to the current situation and opened their side up to compete? Not everything they have ever done was evil, they pretty much legitimized esports in Korea and put them under rules to keep it above board. Yes some things they did were selfish but this announcement is nothing but forward movement for them and should be respected.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
August 28 2013 14:00 GMT
#145
great news if it allows all teams to just compete in one league. Separation of players and leagues is never good, always in favor of unification and seeing the absolute best.
ikmtgv
Profile Joined August 2012
United States24 Posts
August 28 2013 14:05 GMT
#146
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.


While it does make Proleague somewhat less prestigious, the fact that there are more teams would make the competition much fiercer.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 28 2013 14:11 GMT
#147
On August 28 2013 23:05 ikmtgv wrote:
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On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.


While it does make Proleague somewhat less prestigious, the fact that there are more teams would make the competition much fiercer.

Less prestigious is sometimes code for "different". A more open system that allows different teams to try out will be better for everyone. It means a lower barrier to entry for newer teams or teams from outside of Korea.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
August 28 2013 14:15 GMT
#148
Seems to me that KeSPA is changing into what it originally was meant to be.
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mihajovics
Profile Joined April 2011
179 Posts
August 28 2013 14:24 GMT
#149
what seems super cool and promising is number 4
If game developers pay their share of membership fee, the money will be used to promote eSports, organzing amateur tournaments

this hopefully will mean that e.g. Blizzard kind of just needs to shove some money into the scene to build it up (which they are doing now, but in a very inefficient manner)

I hope all other aspects make sense businesswise for GOM
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 28 2013 14:29 GMT
#150
If someone else brought this up my bad but I didn't see it when running through the thread:

4. If game developers pay their share of membership fee, the money will be used to promote eSports, organzing amateur tournaments like the Presidential Cup, and supporting eSports teams and players. The Association will actively support the domestic amateur scene, later IeSF will join the Sports Accord, to further provide support for the globalization of eSports.


What does this mean? Game developers paying membership fees and being members of kespa? Maybe I'm being cynical but this seems like it's opening a path to game developers (riot) to officially influence what tournaments get run and what games teams can play, as a dota fan this has me very worried.

This is great news for sc2 though IMO.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51501 Posts
August 28 2013 14:33 GMT
#151
I wonder how it will affect my interest in the korean scene of games other than SC2.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 28 2013 14:35 GMT
#152
Section 4 is basically Kespa requiring publishers to put forth some money to support the scene, since what they are getting is advertising for their game and brand. It is not as sinister as people are making it out to be, since it is pretty standard stuff. I am sure Blizzard has been paying GOM to broadcast SC2 in some way since SC2 started. I wouldn’t get bent out of shape about it or think that one game is going to chase out another by offering more money. That sort of stuff is really short term thinking and Kespa would not benefit from it long term. It is more about Kespa and the broadcasters saying “Hey, you got to chip in if you want us to show your game so we can play these players and teams.”
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
August 28 2013 14:40 GMT
#153
On August 28 2013 23:29 strongandbig wrote:
If someone else brought this up my bad but I didn't see it when running through the thread:
Show nested quote +

4. If game developers pay their share of membership fee, the money will be used to promote eSports, organzing amateur tournaments like the Presidential Cup, and supporting eSports teams and players. The Association will actively support the domestic amateur scene, later IeSF will join the Sports Accord, to further provide support for the globalization of eSports.


What does this mean? Game developers paying membership fees and being members of kespa? Maybe I'm being cynical but this seems like it's opening a path to game developers (riot) to officially influence what tournaments get run and what games teams can play, as a dota fan this has me very worried.

This is great news for sc2 though IMO.


I don't think Riot needs to pay for anything in Korea right now tbh. As long as Nexon just pays for online exposure and not TV exposure, I doubt it could become a threat to them. So I wouldn't worry too much about it right now.
IMinato
Profile Joined May 2012
209 Posts
August 28 2013 14:42 GMT
#154
Does this mean we maybe see EG-TL in proleague again?
RUFinalBoss
Profile Joined May 2012
United States266 Posts
August 28 2013 14:50 GMT
#155
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
August 28 2013 14:51 GMT
#156
Easier to join, no fees for teams, and a potential amateur league. Sounds like good news to me.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
August 28 2013 14:52 GMT
#157
I thought this was going to be about Juan.
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
August 28 2013 14:58 GMT
#158
It's more like kespa/ogn and gom finally saw the light, it's no longer about player rivalry when the scene itself is haemorrhaging fans at a pretty concerning rate. The disbandment of STX should set off major alarm bells that the current model is untenable.

I say this again, a unified Proleague needs to become the backbone of the sc2 scene, with maybe 2-3 individual leagues a year. That is the model that most modern sports have adopted, especially soccer. Elimination tournaments are great for viewers, but only once in a while - that is why we do not see the champions league being held 4 times a year.
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eqinf
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany100 Posts
August 28 2013 15:00 GMT
#159
uhm evry1 beein kespa now Oo, and dota also commin to korean )

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this means all sc2 united => no more fighting // commin up also dota => this totaly must lead to dota + sc2 marriage , => what will absolutely lead to civil war in south korea between sc2/ dota fans and lol fans
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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
August 28 2013 15:03 GMT
#160
Can't wait for the super ProLeague. Stoked.
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