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[Updated] Jim facing visa issues for Season II Finals? - P…
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DaftFunk
194 Posts
VISA, FOR THE SWARM!! | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
 Didn't Artosis pick Jim to advance on Meta last night? Artosis curse too legit. | ||
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On August 16 2013 08:04 Serpest wrote: 100 - 200 years ago there was no issue. It's really all to do with how small the world has gotten. Once it was huge and unexplored with no citizenry issues regarding travel. Because only those who could afford it (i.e. were from the proper societal / hierarchical rank) could travel, classes were still kept separate so it was fine because it was people from the same groupings meeting up with different people within those groupings just in different countries. I think it has more to do with: - 1 person or a small group do some things wrong (Ilegal imigrant, terrorist, etc). - The rest of the human race have to pay the price. | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
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Blackrobe
United States806 Posts
News to me. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On August 16 2013 08:11 Havik_ wrote: Damn it Didn't Artosis pick Jim to advance on Meta last night? Artosis curse too legit. Wrong. He picked Scarlett and Maru | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 16 2013 07:46 c0ldfusion wrote: It's a Chinese thing - you know communist state and all. EU/NA citizens can fly freely to and from most eSports relevant countries. -_- I'm not even going to start. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
it is a chinese thing though... too many girls going for laowai for green card only there are a ton of valid reasons for immigration restrictions and considering how many affluent countries across the world have troubles with a large amount of illegal migrant workers from poorer areas it would be an incredible shitshow if countries didn't require visas for entry imagine if US didn't have illegal immigration laws... the southern us would be completely inundated by mexican workers. it'd be kind of hard our blue collar workers to compete with almost free labor | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
Well, it's true that EU/NA can fly to esports relevant countries such as China, as China doesn't act like arse about people come in LOL. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 16 2013 09:32 rauk wrote: it is a chinese thing though... too many girls going for laowai for green card only there are a ton of valid reasons for immigration restrictions and considering how many affluent countries across the world have troubles with a large amount of illegal migrant workers from poorer areas it would be an incredible shitshow if countries didn't require visas for entry imagine if US didn't have illegal immigration laws... the southern us would be completely inundated by mexican workers. it'd be kind of hard our blue collar workers to compete with almost free labor You do realize the Visa situation is identical for basically the entire developing world entering the developed world western alliance and is by no means "a chinese thing"? What country doesn't have illegal immigration laws? Having qualifications and assurances to enter a geopolitical area so immigrants wouldn't do damage to the existing environment sounds rational, but alot of the policies are based on political alignments, conservative rhetoric, poorly fledged out laws, and debatable moral or ethical ideals. Especially for America which was created by a policy of allowing low income, non educated immigrant workers to essentially pave the way for its industrial capacity (including slavery), while an upper-class of essentially white Europeans controlled the means of production. Then 2 hundred years down the line once the middle class has established itself with a standard of living that the rest of the world desires, it's suddenly closed doors and xenophobia. Not to mention with your example of the border with Mexico, America actually conquered much of that land from both the native Indians and the Mexicans, so where is the entitlement to sovereignty there exactly? | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On August 16 2013 09:41 Caihead wrote: You do realize the Visa situation is identical for basically the entire developing world entering the developed world western alliance and is by no means "a chinese thing"? What country doesn't have illegal immigration laws? Having qualifications and assurances to enter a geopolitical area so immigrants wouldn't do damage to the existing environment sounds rational, but alot of the policies are based on political alignments, conservative rhetoric, poorly fledged out laws, and debatable moral or ethical ideals. Especially for America which was created by a policy of allowing low income, non educated immigrant workers to essentially pave the way for its industrial capacity (including slavery), while an upper-class of essentially white Europeans controlled the means of production. Then 2 hundred years down the line once the middle class has established itself with a standard of living that the rest of the world desires, it's suddenly closed doors and xenophobia. Not to mention with your example of the border with Mexico, America actually conquered much of that land from both the native Indians and the Mexicans, so where is the entitlement to sovereignty there exactly? nono, that part was meant for people who were like "it's sad you need visas to go to other countries," i was just trying to say that there are many valid reasons for requiring em i agree with most of what you say, but also i would think that the entitlement to sovereignty is based on right of conquest like it's been for thousands of years, though wars of aggression are illegal now | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 16 2013 09:44 rauk wrote: no, that part was meant for people who were like "it's sad you need visas to go to other countries" Visa's are a pretty new thing in the geopolitical arena of the world, it's only really been relevant for a century due to the extreme polarizing of tensions between the developed world and the developing world. Many activists do long for the day when mankind can just go anywhere unrestricted and accept each other's differences instead of fear mongering and raising the arms budget. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On August 16 2013 09:47 Caihead wrote: Visa's are a pretty new thing in the geopolitical arena of the world, it's only really been relevant for a century due to the extreme polarizing of tensions between the developed world and the developing world. Many activists do long for the day when mankind can just go anywhere unrestricted and accept each other's differences instead of fear mongering and raising the arms budget. doubt that'll ever happen, people enjoy being people too much | ||
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Shyndashu
United States136 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:10 Shyndashu wrote: Wow no replacement is probably the worst decision made yet. The second it was confirmed that Jim was unable to participate they should've replaced it with the next runner up which I believe was Alive. nothing is confirmed though | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
An Update on Jim’s WCS Season 2 Finals Participation Jin ‘Jim’ Hun Cao and his team recently informed us that they are seeking a visa appointment in China on Monday, August 19. At this appointment, Jim will attempt to obtain all of the necessary documentation for acquiring a German visa. If he is successful in this venture, he will then be able to attend the World Championship Series Season 2 Finals next weekend at gamescom in Cologne, Germany. Jim originally earned a seat at the WCS Season 2 Finals by achieving fifth place at the WCS America Season 2 League Finals, which were held just last weekend. In the event that Jim is unable to secure a visa during his interview on Monday, we will fill his seat by extending an invitation to Han ‘aLive’ Lee Seok, the sixth place finisher from the WCS America Season 2 League Finals. We want to ensure the success of the Season Finals, and feel that leaving an empty slot in the player lineup could give the rest of Jim’s group an unfair advantage over others due to walkover matches. Should an invitation be offered to aLive, his acceptance will make him eligible to receive WCS Points and prize money awarded for participating in the Season 2 Finals. No matter the outcome, Jim will still receive all WCS Points and prize money he earned from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the League Finals. It’s also important to note that Jim will retain his Premier League placement and seeding as we head in to WCS America Season 3. We will continue to assist our Chinese competitors and teams with their endeavors to earn visas by any means at our disposal, and we hope that you will continue to support and cheer for them in the World Championship Series. There are still plenty of epic matches yet to play out at the WCS Season 2 Finals, so make sure to tune in right here on the WCS Portal all weekend long from August 23 – 25 to find out who will be crowned the WCS Season 2 Champion. The race to BlizzCon is heating up, and performances at the WCS Season 2 Finals will be a key factor for players looking to secure their place at the Global Finals in November. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:10 Shyndashu wrote: Wow no replacement is probably the worst decision made yet. The second it was confirmed that Jim was unable to participate they should've replaced it with the next runner up which I believe was Alive. Oh come on and read the frigging update. The fault is with the player (and his team) for not being prepared for the visa requirements. A replacement is a bad idea because how do you choose the player who replaces him? Why should it be the opponent of Jim from the NA server and why not the 6th place from Korea (in this case) instead? I am really amazed why people are still posting here, because the "visa issues" seem to be a) the players fault and b) trivial to solve. | ||
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TeSLLive2
United States35 Posts
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On August 16 2013 08:07 DaftFunk wrote: Jim, the japanese toss player that can never look straight. avoiding all eye contact since 2012, may he rise and defeat the beast in his group and bring malaysia back in the gaming scene once again! VISA, FOR THE SWARM!! You do know he's Chinese, right? Or are you trolling? | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:55 juicyjames wrote: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/an-update-on-jims-wcs-season-2-finals-participation Probably the fairest way Blizzard can handle this situation. | ||
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