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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:04 SarcasmMonster wrote: You can mech in all matchups in BW. Bio only works in vZ. You can Bio in all matchups in SC2. Mech only really works in TvT. What's wrong with this? Why the obsession with making mech viable in every matchup? | ||
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:15 Pr0wler wrote: You realize that in this strat - "static defense, SH, viper" - the vipers are always full energy ? That buff changes nothing there. You realize that losing vipers will become virtually meaningless if new ones can be used immediately instead of needing 30 or 40 secs 'warm-up'? To charge fully - what doesn't happen, just for comparison sake - it would even be 62 seconds (3*20 + 2*1 cooldown). | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On August 13 2013 05:50 TheDwf wrote: Tell me more about those Vikings apparently invulnerables to Hydralisks' spines, flying in total impunity over Zerg's army to kill Vipers somehow stuck despite being faster than said Vikings? Why would you over extend with your vikings, when you can just have them at the front ready to fire when vipers attempt to move in? ^_^ Blinding cloud and abduct both have equal range as vikings do, so for them to get off any attack at all, they'd have to trade at least one viper for it. I'm also not sure why 6 range hydralisks suddenly come into play versus 9 range anti air? | ||
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Topin
Peru10128 Posts
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goody153
44304 Posts
1. Overseer speed buff (after upgrade) TvZ feels quite balanced until the very late game when there are so many skirmishes and so many Widow Mines. We want to keep the really exciting gameplay while finding ways to help out Zerg in those specific battles. Having to micromanage your army in every engagement, morph new Banelings, manage 4-5 (or more) bases, and morph new Overseers can be a bit too much. So we’re going to test giving Overseers a speed buff after the speed upgrade is purchased, so that we keep the early- and mid-game the same while specifically helping out the Zerg in the later stages. They still wouldn't move as fast as say, Mutalisks, but perhaps late game TvZ goes more evenly if Overseers don't lag behind and get killed in most late engagements. well this will help zergs survive against mines in zvt ... well this might only affect highest levels 2. Combine mech ground and air upgrades We don't think Terran is struggling, but do think mech in general has been weak throughout HotS. We tested this specific change a bit in the beta, and we have some idea of how much better mech will be, but a lot has changed since then, so we'd like to actually have players playtest it again. Right now, it's looking like the only area where Terran might be weak is late game PvT, but it’s debateable. If so, this change would address that area, because upgrading Vikings that are really core in the matchup will also help with the Hellbat transition in the late game. i dont know about this ... although i dont think this will affect tvz much .. since mines are the only thing terran needs vs zergs ... i think this wouldnt help tvp mech .. only open up options for terran to go mech if he decides to go for upgrades later on .. or a probable mix of bio + skyterran + mech in the mid - late game stage .. but im not sure how this will change though .. anyways this needs testing 3. Vipers start with full energy We’ve been discussing various options for the Zerg both internally and with top players and casters around the world, and we feel that this change might be a good place to start testing. We don't know yet whether we want to increase the rate of Vipers’ spells, and thought it might be cool if Vipers come out of the box at full strength, so their first use has a much bigger impact. It’s possible that we can both increase the strength of Zerg in the late game and bring back a fun strategy that we’re seeing a bit less lately. Thank you! this is so that when vipers pop out it could be used immediately right ? feels okish | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:19 Havik_ wrote: You can Bio in all matchups in SC2. Mech only really works in TvT. What's wrong with this? Why the obsession with making mech viable in every matchup? The obsession is in making the game more interesting. TvP has been the same since 2010 and TvZ in HOTS is also nothing but biospam with slight mine support. There is 0 variety in what terran players do right now. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
Months ago, I was thinking about Speedivacs. I though that per boost costs 10 energy, but that would make terran-drop stronger because with lesser energy by medivacs feedback is weaker to kill it . | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:19 Aiobhill wrote: You realize that losing vipers will become virtually meaningless if new ones can be used immediately instead of needing 30 or 40 secs 'warm-up'? To charge fully - what doesn't happen, just for comparison sake - it would even be 62 seconds (3*20 + 2*1 cooldown). Of course its meaningless... If we ignore the 200 gas and 40 secs of building time. | ||
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mafaba
Germany73 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:08 Bagi wrote: Plenty of control involving positioning and spreading out as mech. Haha i find this really amusing. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
I find your level of argumentation amusing too, laughable even. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:19 Havik_ wrote: You can Bio in all matchups in SC2. Mech only really works in TvT. What's wrong with this? Why the obsession with making mech viable in every matchup? My argument would be that SC2 can be even better than BW in regards to Terran matchup diversity if somehow Blizz makes Mech also viable in 2 or 3 matchups. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46475 Posts
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LuckyLuciano
Germany3 Posts
im a zerg player so i see the game through my zerg-glasses i think in the very late game zerg is really to weak, id prefer changes like: 1. combine range and melee ground-attack upgrades to get them as fast as other races 2. buff broodlord speed 3. give vipers an low attack like sentries 4. give queens only one supply cost | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The Terran upgrade combo is absurd x.x What's wrong with it as is? What's wrong with mech? The fact that's its just plain weak. This is just a way for Blizzard to give it an all-around buff. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
It can be a nice buff for roach hydra in ZvT however. To be honest I would be much more inclined to make such as blinding cloud also affects the widow mine. They took their time about the overseer buff, it was obvious since the mutalisk speed buff that overseer also needed a buff. | ||
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MaxViktory
Sweden136 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
How come? If someone gave you a full 200/200, well-upgraded mech army exactly equal to your opponent's and put you up against Mvp, Ryung, Flash or Innovation, do you think you'd stand a snowballs chance in hell? Here's a hint: you wouldn't. Terran bio is all speed, terran mech is all brains and positioning. Besides, making both styles viable would create greater diversity and a better viewing experience as well as a more entertaining game to play. A lot of people enjoy the chess-like games that mech TvT produces and would also like to see strategic positioning spread to other match ups. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12056 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:19 Havik_ wrote: You can Bio in all matchups in SC2. Mech only really works in TvT. What's wrong with this? Why the obsession with making mech viable in every matchup? This is such a stupid, stupid reason to not make mech work. Mech should work in all matchups to give the game more options. I'm sick of watching the same TvZ and same TvP every single game. | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
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