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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:29 Snowbear wrote: It won't change the mech timings. The timings will be the same, and with the same strength. It just gives you a better air transition, that's all. If mech were viable vs protoss it would give a decent mech transition there since you are getting at least 1 or 2 attack upgrades anyway. | ||
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:33 Judicator wrote: You haven't been around for that long then. There's a pretty long list of changes that should have never happened, and a lot of the changes that ended up being put into place was suggested in beta before the original changes were added to the game. You are welcome to take it to PM since this isn't the thread to discuss this. Nah, I am all set, but thank you. I know there were bad changes in the past, but everyone seems happen with the current direction. Making more options are better than fewer. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
I am against making the game difficult on purpose (I would never support removing automine, MBS and stuff), but vipers' ability to make energy quickly was actually moderately interesting, why would you kill that? | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:31 Mistakes wrote: I honestly can't tell if you're kidding or not. =\ Making things faster increases the skill ceiling if anything.. It's the wrong approach to making a better game. It made the game less about strategy and more about really fast reaction time. All it did in essence was make the game more annoying for casual players and somewhat more demanding for progamers. Yeah, the skill ceiling is higher, but is the game better? Not so much, I'd say. Early 2012 WoL was a lot more fun to watch. | ||
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
same as mech in tvp? terran always gets ghosts vs too many imortals/high templars | ||
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T.O.P
469 Posts
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:30 Plansix wrote: If you are upgrading the vikings, you don't really need that many to zone them out. Really about 6-8 will almost one shot a viper with reasonable upgrades. The problem is you assume Vipers care about being one-shotted. They can pull vikings in if they want, faster then vikings can kill them. But that isn't the issue, the issue is one-shotting them isn't good enough. If he gets 4-5 vipers vs my mech army, then generally yes he will have no vipers left 5 seconds after the start of the fight. Sadly 15 seconds after the start of the fight I don't have an army left (well if he doesn't have hydras I still have a bunch of vikings left, awesome). Because in those 5 seconds they will cast all the blinding clouds they need to cast. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:31 Teoita wrote: Yeah but viper based attacks can come as early as 12/13 minutes (i've been on the receiving end of many of them already). Mech can't have vikings at that timing. Well you need to figure that part out. Maybe you need to dig up some gas and scout when they are moving toward viper tech. You can't just expect them to buff stuff and then also provide you with the build to use it against the time attack you are having trouble with. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Primal666
Slovenia418 Posts
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria923 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:37 Sissors wrote: The problem is you assume Vipers care about being one-shotted. They can pull vikings in if they want, faster then vikings can kill them. But that isn't the issue, the issue is one-shotting them isn't good enough. If he gets 4-5 vipers vs my mech army, then generally yes he will have no vipers left 5 seconds after the start of the fight. Sadly 15 seconds after the start of the fight I don't have an army left (well if he doesn't have hydras I still have a bunch of vikings left, awesome). Because in those 5 seconds they will cast all the blinding clouds they need to cast. Isn't like 5 vipers over 1,000 gas? Thats like facing 10 HTs. | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:34 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps, it also adds a bit of volatility imo. I genuinely feel things are in danger of being a clusterfuck if Blizzard continue to make all these fast, potentially devastating units zipping all over the place. Volatility yeah, but the harass units and scouting I feel is totally fine to increase the speed on. Also if units are just faster in general and can devastate someone quickly, that's up to you to react even faster and deal with it imo. Although some things shouldn't be faster if scouting options aren't faster/come quicker sort of thing. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:38 Primal666 wrote: soooooo....nerf mech with viper buff and buff it with upgrade buff...gonna work blizz def gonna work... The viper buff is minor. Mech will definitely be buffed in TvT and TvP - even in TvZ imo. Combined mech upgrades mean that you can have +3 banshee mixed into mech composition ~ yummy! | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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Dingodile
4137 Posts
1. Overseer speed buff (after upgrade) TvZ feels quite balanced until the very late game [...] Thats very interesting, I feel exactly the opposite. Zerg cant barely go Hive because they has to keep build units after units because Terrans macro is "too strong" until late game. Zerg macro gets easier (mess with Terran) if it can build hive units, but at this time Terran has already 3-3, so... What I want to say is that Zerg need a slightly buff in midgame to go easier a Hive tech or Terran a slightly nerf in midgame but without affect in lategame for both race. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:37 Plansix wrote: Well you need to figure that part out. Maybe you need to dig up some gas and scout when they are moving toward viper tech. You can't just expect them to buff stuff and then also provide you with the build to use it against the time attack you are having trouble with. You misunderstand me. I know what to do against it as a protoss player, at least in the current patch. I'm saying, a meching player would very likely not stand a chance. Similarly to how every 3base mech build in WoL got destroyed repeatedly by roach drop timings i suppose. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:27 renaissanceMAN wrote: Vipers will full energy? So they didn't learn anything from the HT Amulet upgrade? The f... I don't know how I feel about it, but it won't be as bad as the templar amulet upgrade, because Tosses could reinforce mid fight with four templar and have four immediate storms. At least vipers will still have to be built rather than just spawning in the middle of the fight with insta-grabs/blinding clouds. | ||
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CikaZombi
Serbia630 Posts
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