EPTOn August 13 2013 06:11 Liman wrote:
Viper buf would totally kill mech play.
Viper buf would totally kill mech play.
you would have to revive it first to be able to kill it.
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
you would have to revive it first to be able to kill it. | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
Instead of Viper energy buff: Better buff/nerf the SwarmHost so there would be another mid-game option for Zerg IMO.. Probably like 150/100 instead of 200/100, but remove the upgrade.. That way SHosts would be easier to go to, but also not ridiculous in late-game.. And more vulnerable and forced to get repositioned as well.. The WMine is sth to be changed too though IMO.. But w.e. - if it's the Overseer buff, then let it be.. Probably not gonna trail behind Mutas anymore | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:37 Plansix wrote: That’s valid, but they need to go the Dota 2 route of balance. “Lets make it totally fucked up and then pull it back from there. Why? Because people will use it if its fucking awesome and that’s what we want.” When you are measuring how awesome you want a unit to be, you have to start with the unit at full awesome and pull it back. Plus: I want to see the game where 5 of those fuckers hatch and get slapped down with feedbacks instantly. That shit would be dope at fuck. Is this a joke? Icefrog is notorious among players for being bad at balance for oh the last 8 years. He's done a lot of things right, but balance not one of them. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:12 Big J wrote: you would have to revive it first to be able to kill it. Which blizzard wont do of course. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:12 Big J wrote: you would have to revive it first to be able to kill it. What is dead may never die | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:08 Snusmumriken wrote: Though I acknowledge the need for some changes, the buffs seem to cancel each other out a bit. I mean vipers were already really strong in zvt mech, so why on earth would anyone play mech vs buffed vipers? Mech is pretty weak in tvp and I dont see how combined air/ground upgrades would help there. On top of that, the mash of upgrades might make bio less viable in TvT, which would be a shame. Not sure what faster overseers are going to do exactly, but hey if it helps zerg in late midgame then im all for it. because even if overall the balance remains the same, it makes mech more viable for terran. and since mech still isnt seeing much play at all its probably something they want to help. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:07 Tamagoyaki wrote: How come protoss never gets any love? HT is pretty much the worst spellcaster compared to all the other ones, and muta tech switches are hard to deal with as any race. HT? Worst spellcaster? Are you crazy? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:13 Judicator wrote: Is this a joke? Icefrog is notorious among players for being bad at balance for oh the last 8 years. He's done a lot of things right, but balance not one of them. No, I don't hear it from anyone who matters(aka, not some pub on NA dota who thinks he can design games better) complaining about balancing the game. The last patch was very well received and was filled with some many dumb buffs it was awesome. People are still figuring out stuff to do with it. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
I have to agree with forsooth on this one The hightemplar have magically become the best spellcaster | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:13 Judicator wrote: Is this a joke? Icefrog is notorious among players for being bad at balance for oh the last 8 years. He's done a lot of things right, but balance not one of them. Is this true? Everytime I stumble across /r/Dota2, everyone gushes over Icefrog for balancing. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Is this true? Everytime I stumble across /r/Dota2, everyone gushes over Icefrog for balancing. I don't think so. People generally like the state of the game right now and the way the balance works. He has been doing tiny nerfs, but everything is still viable, even if it is fucked up.(fountian hooks) | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:13 Judicator wrote: Is this a joke? Icefrog is notorious among players for being bad at balance for oh the last 8 years. He's done a lot of things right, but balance not one of them. This opinion is far from universal. A lot of the players think he's done a fine job as of late compared to the past. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:08 Snusmumriken wrote: Though I acknowledge the need for some changes, the buffs seem to cancel each other out a bit. I mean vipers were already really strong in zvt mech, so why on earth would anyone play mech vs buffed vipers? Mech is pretty weak in tvp and I dont see how combined air/ground upgrades would help there. On top of that, the mash of upgrades might make bio less viable in TvT, which would be a shame. Not sure what faster overseers are going to do exactly, but hey if it helps zerg in late midgame then im all for it. Hm, not really. The Viper buff mainly strengthens timing attacks against ground Mech, while the Upgrade buff mainly strengthens Starporttransitions. Also, even if those would cancel each other out in ZvT, they are still buffs against Protoss.  | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
Speaking as an SC2 player this is so much sex its orgasmic. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:18 kochanfe wrote: The Viper buff is a terrible idea, the mech+air upgrade buff is interesting, and the overseer speed buff is pretty okay. I'd really like to see them address the mothership core though. Perhaps making it start with less energy, making time warp slightly less strong, and making the nexus-cannon require 125 energy so you can't throw down two at once. I feel like the mothership core SHOULD be in the game but is simply too strong atm, and I'm a little surprised this isn't one of the main things Blizzard is looking at... The solution for the mscore is very simple: give it paper health. I'm fine with it being a sick defensive unit, but that same unit shouldn't be able to be so good in aggression. If you are aggressive with it, fine, but then there needs to be a risk. | ||
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Bobnoble
Luxembourg52 Posts
A: Fix siegetank. Q: How? A: Uhmmm.... | ||
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Bahajinbo
Germany488 Posts
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