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On August 13 2013 05:57 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:53 Abstinence wrote:
Buffs all around. Buffs are always good. I don't understand this "buff > nerf" stereotype, buffs can break the game as well.
It comes from Dota 2, where they nerfs heroes into the ground and the game became a bit stale. The second time around, they buffed everything BUT the heroes that were accepted as overpowered and nerfed those heroes a tiny bit. It lead to a more robust, diverse and exciting meta game that rewarded players who think about how to do new things and are creative.
Buffs are greater than nerfs. The promote responses to powerful styles, rather than punish people for finding a way to win.
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This is going to sound crazy but with joint upgrades thor, cattlebruiser, hellbat might actually become a thing now.
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On August 13 2013 05:55 NOFX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:51 Vete wrote:
Give Mech a upgrade ( like stim research time ) which mech gives extra dmg against shields and we would see Mech in tvp. Not sure if it could be a completely stupid or brilliant change :p
Of course it has the tendeny to imbalance so it would need some times to balance it ( of cousre beta server).
An other idea could be to give raven's seeker missile a similar effect like emp but much lower in impact.
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Honestly. The Weapon combination will make a Terran go crazy with BC late game vs Zerg. which will make me a sad panda as a toss cause thats dumb. I still think Protoss needs a small buff defense vs Terran early game.
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On August 13 2013 05:55 sunless wrote:
1. Is overseer change really gonna cut it? It does not change the fact that in the current map pool, it seems so hard to get a decent engagement for the b-ling-mutas player vs MMMM. At least it should not break the game...
Overseers with more speed still require mircromanagement, but can cover a greater area more easily and are faster deployed at the front line.
I like that Blizzard tries to address the widow mine issue not with a widow mine nerf, but rather with a small zerg buff.
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By the way, these test maps are incredibly useless for feedback. It's always just a PR move.
I have played dozens of games in the past, not one of them being relevant to balance because of the skill difference present.
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On August 13 2013 05:59 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:57 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2013 05:53 Abstinence wrote:
Buffs all around. Buffs are always good. I don't understand this "buff > nerf" stereotype, buffs can break the game as well. Range 5 queens say "hi, what's up?"
Come on lets be real, if they buffed the siege tank every terran would be crying and praising Blizzard for their insight.
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On August 13 2013 06:01 dnld12 wrote:
Honestly. The Weapon combination will make a Terran go crazy with BC late game vs Zerg. which will make me a sad panda as a toss cause thats dumb. I still think Protoss needs a small buff defense vs Terran early game.
This is a joke, right?
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How about removing vipers that basically say "You are not allowed to play Tanks/Collosi vs Zerg" if he has them?
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Also, max energy for vipers sounds really bad for protoss
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On August 13 2013 06:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:59 Teoita wrote:On August 13 2013 05:57 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2013 05:53 Abstinence wrote:
Buffs all around. Buffs are always good. I don't understand this "buff > nerf" stereotype, buffs can break the game as well. Range 5 queens say "hi, what's up?" Come on lets be real, if they buffed the siege tank every terran would be crying and praising Blizzard for their insight.
I would.
Buff please.
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On August 13 2013 06:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:59 Teoita wrote:On August 13 2013 05:57 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2013 05:53 Abstinence wrote:
Buffs all around. Buffs are always good. I don't understand this "buff > nerf" stereotype, buffs can break the game as well. Range 5 queens say "hi, what's up?" Come on lets be real, if they buffed the siege tank every terran would be crying and praising Blizzard for their insight.
And that's because the siege tank NEEDS a buff. Not because buffing whatever is always the better choice.
I mean, by your logic, keeping kaydarin amulet in the game would have been fine.
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On August 13 2013 06:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:57 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2013 05:53 Abstinence wrote:
Buffs all around. Buffs are always good. I don't understand this "buff > nerf" stereotype, buffs can break the game as well. It comes from Dota 2, where they nerfs heroes into the ground and the game became a bit stale. The second time around, they buffed everything BUT the heroes that were accepted as overpowered and nerfed those heroes a tiny bit. It lead to a more robust, diverse and exciting meta game that rewarded players who think about how to do new things and are creative. Buffs are greater than nerfs. The promote responses to powerful styles, rather than punish people for finding a way to win.
Also it's much easier to do balancewise. Say a unit that is extensively being used in every matchup is overpowered. Are you going to destroy every playstyle ever figured by nerfing that unit, or do you give the other races the tools to deal with it/those playstyle?
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I've always been curious about letting Zerg get +3 upgrades with a lair as opposed to a hive. I think the upgrades would still progress similar to the other races
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On August 13 2013 06:03 tadL wrote:
How about removing vipers that basically say "You are not allowed to play Tanks/Collosi vs Zerg" if he has them?
Vipers are also good vs immortals and tempests 
On August 13 2013 06:04 pak150 wrote:
I've always been curious about letting Zerg get +3 upgrades with a lair as opposed to a hive. I think the upgrades would still progress similar to the other races
this would take away a fundamental aspect of the racedesign of zerg.
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On August 13 2013 06:01 dnld12 wrote:
Honestly. The Weapon combination will make a Terran go crazy with BC late game vs Zerg. which will make me a sad panda as a toss cause thats dumb. I still think Protoss needs a small buff defense vs Terran early game.
How do you figure? Terrans already aren't building factory units (ones that benefit from upgrades, anyway) in TvZ and mass viking transitions aren't really a thing anymore due to the general lack of brood lords in the matchup. Any kind of BC transition would start at 0/0 and take forever to get to 3/3, not to mention BCs aren't even that good against Zerg, and certainly not as good as the bio/mine armies we already play with.
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On August 13 2013 06:02 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 06:01 dnld12 wrote:
Honestly. The Weapon combination will make a Terran go crazy with BC late game vs Zerg. which will make me a sad panda as a toss cause thats dumb. I still think Protoss needs a small buff defense vs Terran early game. This is a joke, right?
Next test map they are going to give the MSC lockdown
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On August 13 2013 06:02 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 06:01 dnld12 wrote:
Honestly. The Weapon combination will make a Terran go crazy with BC late game vs Zerg. which will make me a sad panda as a toss cause thats dumb. I still think Protoss needs a small buff defense vs Terran early game. This is a joke, right?
It has to be. Such comments should result into a ban, without doubt.
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On August 13 2013 06:03 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 06:02 Plansix wrote:On August 13 2013 05:59 Teoita wrote:On August 13 2013 05:57 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2013 05:53 Abstinence wrote:
Buffs all around. Buffs are always good. I don't understand this "buff > nerf" stereotype, buffs can break the game as well. Range 5 queens say "hi, what's up?" Come on lets be real, if they buffed the siege tank every terran would be crying and praising Blizzard for their insight. And that's because the siege tank NEEDS a buff. Not because buffing whatever is always the better choice. I mean, by your logic, keeping kaydarin amulet in the game would have been fine.
That thing was a little silly, but if the HT came in with a 20 second cool down on storm it might have been ok. Then you could have kept the crazy AOE on EMP.
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