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Chernobyl
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil143 Posts
August 12 2013 20:45 GMT
#201
I like this plan as a poor diamond protoss.

Will be well done.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
August 12 2013 20:45 GMT
#202
On August 13 2013 04:27 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Vipers will full energy? So they didn't learn anything from the HT Amulet upgrade?

The f...

Maybe when zergs have a proxy hatchery that they can make vipers from instantly that comment would make sense...
You could warp in an HT ANYWHERE you had a pylon, which would be everywhere, and insta-storm.

Not the same as being able to make a unit at a hatchery. Maybe it improves zerg defensiveness making vipers during an attack, but doesn't let them do it offensively.
HOLY CHECK!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
August 12 2013 20:45 GMT
#203
On August 13 2013 05:45 Velouria wrote:
Why the fuck would they give a speed upgrade? Why not a vision upgrade of a hex or 2 so they can actually be useful verse widow mines.


I'm thinking they're going to make Overseers about as fast as Mutas so that you can always have one with your Mutalisk flock.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 20:46:40
August 12 2013 20:46 GMT
#204
On August 13 2013 04:33 TheDwf wrote:
"Mech is weak" → Vipers start with full energy. Alright, it makes sense.


Mech has never been weak against zerg with their 9 range viking flocks sniping expensive vipers left and right.
They made that even stronger now with shared upgrades.

Mech is weak versus protoss and in tvt, not in tvz - sorry to disappoint you.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
August 12 2013 20:47 GMT
#205
On August 13 2013 05:46 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 04:33 TheDwf wrote:
"Mech is weak" → Vipers start with full energy. Alright, it makes sense.


Mech has never been weak against zerg with their 9 range viking flocks sniping expensive vipers left and right.
They made that even stronger now with shared upgrades.

Mech is weak versus protoss and in tvt, not in tvz - sorry to disappoint you.


Mech weak in TvT?

Yea ok.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3396 Posts
August 12 2013 20:48 GMT
#206
On August 13 2013 05:46 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 04:33 TheDwf wrote:
"Mech is weak" → Vipers start with full energy. Alright, it makes sense.


Mech has never been weak against zerg with their 9 range viking flocks sniping expensive vipers left and right.
They made that even stronger now with shared upgrades.

Mech is weak versus protoss and in tvt, not in tvz - sorry to disappoint you.

Sure and terrans don't play it tvz because of conspiracy?
Mech sadly sucks in both tvz and tvp and vikings can't handle vipers as goswser demonstrated.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
August 12 2013 20:48 GMT
#207
On August 13 2013 05:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:45 Velouria wrote:
Why the fuck would they give a speed upgrade? Why not a vision upgrade of a hex or 2 so they can actually be useful verse widow mines.


I'm thinking they're going to make Overseers about as fast as Mutas so that you can always have one with your Mutalisk flock.


"They still wouldn't move as fast as say, Mutalisks" -David Kim

They'll still probably be noticably slower.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 12 2013 20:49 GMT
#208
On August 13 2013 05:48 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:46 kaluro wrote:
On August 13 2013 04:33 TheDwf wrote:
"Mech is weak" → Vipers start with full energy. Alright, it makes sense.


Mech has never been weak against zerg with their 9 range viking flocks sniping expensive vipers left and right.
They made that even stronger now with shared upgrades.

Mech is weak versus protoss and in tvt, not in tvz - sorry to disappoint you.

Sure and terrans don't play it tvz because of conspiracy?
Mech sadly sucks in both tvz and tvp and vikings can't handle vipers as goswser demonstrated.

3/3 vikings against 0/0 vipers. I bet they would do ok.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Bizeheryer
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany307 Posts
August 12 2013 20:49 GMT
#209
The splash damage of the WMs needs a nerf. Zergs show us perfect micro and still lose.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
August 12 2013 20:49 GMT
#210
tanks need to be buffed for absurd amounts of ground damage, it should be the ridiculously expensive immobile but unbeatable straight up army.

right now P and Z armies both roflstomp mech to the ground in straight up fights. not to mention warpin mechanic exploiting mech immobility 20x harder than bw p units ever could.
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 12 2013 20:50 GMT
#211
On August 13 2013 05:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:45 Velouria wrote:
Why the fuck would they give a speed upgrade? Why not a vision upgrade of a hex or 2 so they can actually be useful verse widow mines.


I'm thinking they're going to make Overseers about as fast as Mutas so that you can always have one with your Mutalisk flock.


Well, he specificall mentioned that they wouldn't be as fast as mutalisks (4.0), but yeah, I think that is the intention. But yeah, anything over 3 would help greatly (from 2.75 right now), as it would at least shorten the time for the overseer to catch up and they couldn't get sniped by stimmed marines anymore if you react in time.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 12 2013 20:50 GMT
#212
On August 13 2013 05:46 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 04:33 TheDwf wrote:
"Mech is weak" → Vipers start with full energy. Alright, it makes sense.


Mech has never been weak against zerg with their 9 range viking flocks sniping expensive vipers left and right.
They made that even stronger now with shared upgrades.

Mech is weak versus protoss and in tvt, not in tvz - sorry to disappoint you.

Tell me more about those Vikings apparently invulnerables to Hydralisks' spines, flying in total impunity over Zerg's army to kill Vipers somehow stuck despite being faster than said Vikings?
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 12 2013 20:50 GMT
#213
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 12 2013 20:50 GMT
#214
I think, Overseers will move at 3.37 or 3.75 speed, like warp prizms
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 12 2013 20:51 GMT
#215
On August 13 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:48 pmp10 wrote:
On August 13 2013 05:46 kaluro wrote:
On August 13 2013 04:33 TheDwf wrote:
"Mech is weak" → Vipers start with full energy. Alright, it makes sense.


Mech has never been weak against zerg with their 9 range viking flocks sniping expensive vipers left and right.
They made that even stronger now with shared upgrades.

Mech is weak versus protoss and in tvt, not in tvz - sorry to disappoint you.

Sure and terrans don't play it tvz because of conspiracy?
Mech sadly sucks in both tvz and tvp and vikings can't handle vipers as goswser demonstrated.

3/3 vikings against 0/0 vipers. I bet they would do ok.

Upgrades change nothing, Vipers can always cast their Clouds before dying.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 12 2013 20:51 GMT
#216
Every terran will instantly play mech now since he has those +1/+1 for a super late game air transition. Oh wait, what was that energy thing again?
Vete
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany190 Posts
August 12 2013 20:51 GMT
#217
Give Mech a upgrade ( like stim research time ) which mech gives extra dmg against shields and we would see Mech in tvp.
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
August 12 2013 20:52 GMT
#218
For those complaining that vipers will instantly die to feedbacks, guess what? You already attack with vipers only once you consume to full energy, so vipers won't be any weaker against protoss. It only means that protoss will have less time to get high templars out and just die to an early viper timing.
Abstinence
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States328 Posts
August 12 2013 20:53 GMT
#219
Buffs all around. Buffs are always good.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2974 Posts
August 12 2013 20:53 GMT
#220
Viper buff is gonna mess up ZvT/ZvP pretty badly. It will nullify tanks and colossi pretty badly. All the other changes are fine though.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
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