Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
updates from mlg adam
Hey guys,
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting a SC2 event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
No title is 100% yet for Columbus, so #1 is not even relevant. However, we plan our calendar around other events so that #1 would not even be an issue. Unfortunately, there was a scheduling overlap with someone else that caught both parties unawares. We are working with that group to make the best of a shoddy situation.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
I did not see a topic on this matter so i might just right one.Which is actually weird considering how much drama the mlg announcement caused.According to sirscoots the real reason why sc2 will not be at mlg is because redbull booked the date in advance before mlg and blizzard has no choice but to give them the date.
Update1:it appears according to blizzard that the above statement is not true and mlg did not request a license in the first place
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first. Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @eneKeyHunt @iceMILOsan @keekerdc It's not "priority" it is who submitted the date first to Blizzard. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @iceMILOsan @keekerdc Two license holders submitted for dates, first one to submit gets it when within same time zone etc. This happened. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @iceMILOsan @keekerdc I am well aware of the system, also been through it several times. This was a date clash and one partner got it... View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @iceMILOsan @keekerdc I do not mean WCS, I mean another company throwing events. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @SkyTree90210 @keekerdc Com manager and license guy...not same. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @Symm2112 @iceMILOsan @keekerdc Read his tweet, it specifically talks of cbus event. Why would it be more? View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @iceMILOsan @keekerdc SSNN is digging, more to come View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @turdburglersc @MLG It has always been mine. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @iceMILOsan @keekerdc But Blizz still dictates on date conflicts etc, so two "license holders" wanting same date, one will get denied. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @turdburglersc @MLG Dude, they broke this news via twitter...so umm yea... View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @TheAmsterdamned His job does not mean he is even in the loop on high level license stuff between MLG and Blizzard though. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @turdburglersc @MLG What they "should" say...and what they say...not always the same though. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @djtyrant @MLG If they say that, they kind of leak news of another unannounced event and that is not for them to do? View conversation Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug @keekerdc Meaning, this is not MLG dropping the game, just unable to host it this weekend due to a conflict. View conversation
Scott Smith @SirScoots 9 Aug Anyone wondering if perhaps @MLG was just unable to get a license for SC2 for the weekend in Cbus? And this is truly is a 1 event thing?
update from sirscoots twitter
There are many more nuances to this MLG/RB story and perhaps now the real reporters in the scene can dig deeper. #SSNN
OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
Fuck it, this lets change the tone of the discussion. What do folks want to see at the event? Since it is 2 weeks after WCS finals, we they could have an awesome open bracket. Or maybe hold the open bracket during the two weeks leading up and have a weekend long round of 16?
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
Redbull could be planning something bigger though as they definitely have the tools necessary to do such.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
I somehow believe I like the redbull events a lot more because its less commercial and far less down time and me as a person sencerly hate too much downtime and too much crappy commercials so i for 1 am cheering for this change never really liked MLG because of that straight fact
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
MLG and RedBull decided to schedule their events on this date. RB asked first and won, this is the way the world works. So why can't we all shut the fuck up and deal with it like mature people for once. But no, instead another nonsensical hate thread was opened, no doubt blaming Blizz for everything that happened to mankind since the expulsion from paradise. Sigh -_-
Hmm. I've always turned off the Red Bull events quickly due to the low skill level (comparitiavely) to other events. Mid (or, hell even high) tier NA talent just doesn't do it for me anymore. I don't think I'm alone there. Hopefully Red Bull can put together a more properly international (read: Korean) event. I have no qualms with their production levels, etc.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
What exactly should they do, if they ask BEFORE MLG? How are they supposed to know, when MLG is held?
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
They signed contracts with people and have a process for handing out those approval to broadcast. You dont' change those on a whim. Its not Blizzards fault, stop acting like it is.
to be honest, i like the redbull events more, better streams, better casters, everything just better for the viewer (top quality streams free, best casters available (nothing against axeltoss or anyone but a day9 etc is just better) the players are great they make this fungames its sooo nice
sry but i cant do anything then being happy we get a new red bull event sad for mlg yes but very very nice neither less
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
What exactly should they do, if they ask BEFORE MLG? How are they supposed to know, when MLG is held?
one idea might be to make na tournament organizers like redbull and mlg talk to each other and plan their events for the entire year without overlapping.just saying.in the na there are huge periods with no major lans.the likelyhood of a collusion happening should be 0
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
What exactly should they do, if they ask BEFORE MLG? How are they supposed to know, when MLG is held?
one idea might be to make na tournament organizers like redbull and mlg talk to each other and plan their events for the entire year without overlapping.just saying.in the na there are huge periods with no major lans.the likelyhood of a collusion happening should be 0
And if they both don't agree, what do you do then? Punish both them? Its not Blizzards job to make these people get along and they aren't going to. We are not one huge happy family and we need to stop demanding Blizzard to fix every conflict in the scene. We just need to vote with our eyes and money and the best show will win.
MLG allegedly announced the dates for MLG Columbus at Anaheim. RB submitted their request first and got their license first. It's entirely possible RB just wanted to beat out a competitor, and/or they really didn't know MLG was going to hold Columbus on those dates. Whatever the case, it doesn't really matter, and I don't even think intentionally asking for a license for the same dates as MLG is wrong or anything ... in any case, I'm sure RB will put on a great event, and I just hope they invite some Korean players to participate. I don't think there's much more to be said.
On August 10 2013 01:34 babylon wrote: MLG allegedly announced the dates for MLG Columbus at Anaheim. RB submitted their request first and got their license first. It's entirely possible RB just wanted to beat out a competitor, and/or they really didn't know MLG was going to hold Columbus on those dates. Whatever the case, it doesn't really matter, and I don't even think intentionally asking for a license for the same dates as MLG is wrong or anything ... in any case, I'm sure RB will put on a great event, and I just hope they invite some Korean players to participate. I don't think there's much more to be said.
pro players in the na scene have been yelling their hearts out about not being live events in the usa and now when they happen they overlap.this is bad no matter how you take it.and redbull never brought the numbers of mlg.
@plansix
you force them to agree otherwise choose the best option for the scene.mlg still brings in more viewers than redbull lan.And day 9 who is in charge of sc2 at redbull should have known not to collide with mlg.either way it hurts the scene to not have mlg.and redbull never organized anything of mlg scale/
On August 10 2013 01:34 babylon wrote: MLG allegedly announced the dates for MLG Columbus at Anaheim. RB submitted their request first and got their license first. It's entirely possible RB just wanted to beat out a competitor, and/or they really didn't know MLG was going to hold Columbus on those dates. Whatever the case, it doesn't really matter, and I don't even think intentionally asking for a license for the same dates as MLG is wrong or anything ... in any case, I'm sure RB will put on a great event, and I just hope they invite some Korean players to participate. I don't think there's much more to be said.
pro players in the na scene have been yelling their hearts out about not being live events in the usa and now when they happen they overlap.this is bad no matter how you take it.and redbull never brought the numbers of mlg.
@plansix
you force them to agree otherwise choose the best option for the scene.mlg still brings in more viewers than redbull lan.And day 9 who is in charge of sc2 at redbull should have known not to collide with mlg.either way it hurts the scene to not have mlg.and redbull never organized anything of mlg scale/
Ok, lets assume that already happened, they refused to agree and Blizzard picked Redbull because they have a better relationship with them(Rob Simpson). And I bet the Redbull is up to the challenge of hyping the event so people will watch it.
I think this is GOOD, in one way. Redbull should know approximately when MLG does their thing (right? don't they do it around the same time every year?) which should mean that they knew they would take it from MLG which should mean that they are planning to do it even bigger, greater, grander, and with an even opener bracket with even more kespa koreans!
I think we can have nice things even though we throw shit at Blizzard whenever anything positive/negative happens in the starcraft scene.
More on topic (blaming the company giving us nice things for everything except WWII); is the grass really greener on the otherside? I have never been to a forum for dota and lol fans, do they blame Riot and Valve for a bunch of random shit or do they glorify them as much as the starcraft community?
On August 10 2013 01:34 babylon wrote: MLG allegedly announced the dates for MLG Columbus at Anaheim. RB submitted their request first and got their license first. It's entirely possible RB just wanted to beat out a competitor, and/or they really didn't know MLG was going to hold Columbus on those dates. Whatever the case, it doesn't really matter, and I don't even think intentionally asking for a license for the same dates as MLG is wrong or anything ... in any case, I'm sure RB will put on a great event, and I just hope they invite some Korean players to participate. I don't think there's much more to be said.
pro players in the na scene have been yelling their hearts out about not being live events in the usa and now when they happen they overlap.this is bad no matter how you take it.and redbull never brought the numbers of mlg.
@plansix
you force them to agree otherwise choose the best option for the scene.mlg still brings in more viewers than redbull lan.And day 9 who is in charge of sc2 at redbull should have known not to collide with mlg.either way it hurts the scene to not have mlg.and redbull never organized anything of mlg scale/
I don't think RB or MLG are obligated to "support NA SC2," tbh. Even deciding to put on an event is very generous of them. If they conflict, then they conflict. Whatever. RB has put on good events in the past with good production. Sure, maybe they will not bring in as many viewers, but that's speculation. RB has enough resources at their disposal to build up the hype. If it falls flat, then it's all on them.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
I like the way they handled the HSC collision as they put their event on hold and told stream viewers who tuned in to watch that instead until it was finished.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
I like the way they handled the HSC collision as they put their event on hold and told stream viewers who tuned in to watch that instead until it was finished.
theu got 20k viewers for their final.mlg gets 120k
@plansix
try and find a sollution.i am sure that people there will be understanding.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
I like the way they handled the HSC collision as they put their event on hold and told stream viewers who tuned in to watch that instead until it was finished.
theu got 20k viewers for their final.mlg gets 120k
@plansix
try and find a sollution.i am sure that people there will be understanding.
Thats not an answer to a problem. You cannot force them to agree. MLG CANNOT chage their date and Redbull may not want to. If there is no solution, then you just pick one. And the viewer numbers reflected the scale of each event. The redbull lans were very low key and 20K is not bad for the number of people that attended. They have never attempted to throw an event of MLGs scope and I would like to see them try.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
I like the way they handled the HSC collision as they put their event on hold and told stream viewers who tuned in to watch that instead until it was finished.
theu got 20k viewers for their final.mlg gets 120k
@plansix
try and find a sollution.i am sure that people there will be understanding.
20k for their final that was the same weekend as DH which undoubtedly had an effect even in different time zones
".@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend. "
Well then, that is intresting. I guess Redbull wants what MLG does not. I think the community should go into dumped girlfriend mode and just say "Fine, we don't need you! We can have anyone run our events!"
Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
Maybe Mlg just knows of RB's plan and decided its not worth it to make a competing tournament that weekend. why is everyone making this so much more complicated!!
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
It splits the viewership for a region and hurts both sides. A lot of professional sports do this to avoid eat away at eachother. Its why all sports run in seasons and why all regions do not carry all games(unless you pay the league for one of those cable packages). It is very standard in professional sports.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp
@SirScoots WHAT BAD PR FOR SSNN!
Scott Smith @SirScoots
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
Isn't that only true for WCS events? Note the "non-exclusive" part:
".@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend. "
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
Yup. So it's still bad news SC2 wise since now the future of SC2 MLG wise is shaky. While it is good that RB is hosting a tournament it is also bad to lose a tournament host like MLG.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
Yup. So it's still bad news SC2 wise since now the future of SC2 MLG wise is shaky. While it is good that RB is hosting a tournament it is also bad to lose a tournament host like MLG.
As much as I liked the past MLGs, I would like to see what Red Bull can do. MLG does great work, but at the end of the day they are all about fair weather games that are on the rise and are never going to build a full studio.
Some professional sport are run out of a staduim which is funded by a large company as a sponsor who gets their name up there all the time. Redbull could be that sponsor and have a studio for a number of Esports. With that equipment, NASL production crew and the players, what more could we want?
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
It depends. I know what tweet you replied to, but a lot of people just hit reply to the newest tweet on a timeline and not necessarily replying to that tweet specifically. Your tweet could also be read as saying SSNN had a bad scoop by saying redbull got the license over mlg, when in fact mlg never requested a license in the first place.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
Yup. So it's still bad news SC2 wise since now the future of SC2 MLG wise is shaky. While it is good that RB is hosting a tournament it is also bad to lose a tournament host like MLG.
As much as I liked the past MLGs, I would like to see what Red Bull can do. MLG does great work, but at the end of the day they are all about fair weather games that are on the rise and are never going to build a full studio.
Some professional sport are run out of a staduim which is funded by a large company as a sponsor who gets their name up there all the time. Redbull could be that sponsor and have a studio for a number of Esports. With that equipment, NASL production crew and the players, what more could we want?
I completely agree with you. I was just noting that while RB has a promising future in SC2, you cannot deny that losing MLG as part of the year long SC2 schedule also hurts.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
Well Adam, as much as I support you folks in the past, you are leaving us to fill in the blanks. If Sunny hadn't sent out that sort of half assed tweet, we wouldn't be here.
Just be honest and up front about this stuff. Say you got a better offer for a game or there isn't enough room at the venue or whatever is the real reason. Say you guys want to do SC2 for the next MLG. But if you leave us to fill in the blanks, you might get stuff that isn't true.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
your company needs pr lessons.like really bad.
I am going to agree with you on this one. Both Adam and Sunny care a lot about games and professional gaming, but they wear their hearts on their sleeve to often. They need to pull it back and get a filter on some of this stuff.
Since it doesn't seem to be the case that Red Bull booked it "instead" of MLG can we change the title or close the thread so it doesn't create more rumors?
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
Call a spade a spade man. This is a mix of good and bad news, a lot of us are upset because MLG is an awesome event. Hopefully Redbull will run a big event with an Open Bracket too.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
C'mon Adam. If you are reading this thread, and actually posting in it, instead of finger-pointing at some of the posts that may be speculating, why not just use the opportunity to actually set the record straight and explain what the situation is.
What is the point in mocking posts that may be uninformed? Why not just inform us instead? Then these speculative posts won't be made. If rumours irk you, why not just set the record straight?
This mess probably started before Blizzard and MLG parted ways on their WCS agreement. The behind the scenes politics that went on between MLG and Blizzard is probably too much for Sundance. Adam, and Blizzard CMs to go into.
As has been mentioned by others, there is no money to be made at NA live events so politics can easily derail things. We'll probably never know the political stuff behind the scenes. But, as long as there is no money to be made by the event host its all just meaningless gossip.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
C'mon Adam. If you are reading this thread, and actually posting in it, instead of finger-pointing at some of the posts that may be speculating, why not just use the opportunity to actually set the record straight and explain what the situation is.
What is the point in mocking posts that may be uninformed? Why not just inform us instead? Then these speculative posts won't be made. If rumours irk you, why not just set the record straight?
He doesn't understand the magnitude of the events transpiring across the ESPORTS network (twitter and forums).
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
Call a spade a spade man. This is a mix of good and bad news, a lot of us are upset because MLG is an awesome event. Hopefully Redbull will run a big event with an Open Bracket too.
Except that OP is wrong(due to information we found out later):
A: There was not conflict between MLG and Redbull. MLG was not requesting anything for that weekend.
B: We don't know anything about the event, so why complain about what we don't know.
C: Where is the bad news beyond the fact that MLG is not carrying SC2 for their next event, but has stated they would like to cover SC2 in the future.
So I was calling a spade and spade. We received good news, looked for bad news and most of the bad news we complained about was wrong.
On August 10 2013 02:34 Prime Directive wrote: Since it doesn't seem to be the case that Red Bull booked it "instead" of MLG can we change the title or close the thread so it doesn't create more rumors?
This please,close topic, or change title.
Blizzards Cloaken, confirmed that MLG did not even ask, for a license, only Red Bull did.
If true then Blizzard is completely trash at everything related to ESports, losing NA's biggest lan to do another small Redbull studio gig is such a mindboggling terrible idea.
On August 10 2013 02:45 TheButtonmen wrote: If true then Blizzard is completely trash at everything related to ESports, losing NA's biggest lan to do another small Redbull studio gig is such a mindboggling terrible idea.
Are you incapable to read? MLG just didn't want to host an event.
On August 10 2013 02:44 Plansix wrote: C: Where is the bad news beyond the fact that MLG is not carrying SC2 for their next event, but has stated they would like to cover SC2 in the future.
So I was calling a spade and spade. We received good news, looked for bad news and most of the bad news we complained about was wrong.
The good news we received was that MLG didn't want to run an event in the first place?
I'm pretty bummed MLG won't carry SC2... it would have been better if there was a conflict and Blizzard was working it out or something.
On August 10 2013 02:45 TheButtonmen wrote: If true then Blizzard is completely trash at everything related to ESports, losing NA's biggest lan to do another small Redbull studio gig is such a mindboggling terrible idea.
Are you incapable to read? MLG just didn't want to host an event.
But that is Blizzard's fault due to WCS or something.... Damn it we don't need to throw around blame during a break up. They just need time apart and maybe that will remember why they were together in the first place.
And the other half of the NA scene is saved by Red Bull! Glad to see Red Bull taking the initiative to support eSports at this time, and taking up the mantle that MLG historically had.
Sometimes I wonder how it would be to have competition in the classic rts genre. How it would be when people weren't forced to focus on one game and had the option to head over to the other game because they think it is better and stop leaving carvings on the wall how the world will end. LoL and Dota2 have it pretty good in that regard. But I guess just being an improved clone of the original is easier then being something different, when you have to live up to the hype of multiple years. Especially if you have competition where the disillusioned people can head back to. But it is a rather intriguing experience to see how some things don't change, while other do.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
The clarity of MLG on TL has always pushed my buttons in the wrong way. All the tournaments you post about on here and then never actually host, the horrendous event organization for WCS without any fixes, and then posts like this which show zero care for what people are attempting to get clarity out of. You know, if you want to post something be constructive and helpful, don't do one liners which still leave the problem open ended. There are, amazingly enough, people's LIVELIHOOD dependent on factors such as NA LANs for SC2; however, this is all you manage to grace us with.
I've been a member on MLG's site since well before SC2 (2007?) and have watched since the growth in 2004-2005 with other games. However, the amount of jumping around the organization does, the clarity, the communication, the drive and the motivation all seem incredibly lacking for any one game. Understandably, you are an organization. But that alone does not mean you should treat your consumers like they're stupid for trying to understand a situation they have no inside knowledge of. Why not reply to him with something helpful. Posts such as this seem incredibly petty, especially for an official employee.
Try to be reasonable, rational, and critical in your explanations to us so we can understand. Then we can make some real judgement on the issue instead of speculating.
Though, it seems like TL has worked out a comprehensive analysis of what is going on already without directly hearing it from MLG... That speaks volumes :/
As far as MLG goes...whatever. If they have SC2 great, if not, ok. But really stoked that Red Bull is becoming increasingly relevant. Love thier events, production, casters, the whole deal.
And please move the blizzard response to the top of OP since people can't seem to be bothered to read.
MLG could but isn't hosting SC2 at cbus. Same news as it was 2 days ago, but now Redbull will have a sc2 event during that time...redbull did not get a license instead of mlg, mlg never applied for one (because they aren't having sc2 at the event)
On August 10 2013 02:45 renaissanceMAN wrote: see SC2 is not dying...
It's like one of those movie deaths that go on forever.
i was a cod gamer, believe me, I know what a dying game looks like
SC2 is alive and well
LoL, this is the best quote of the thread.
"You haven't seen a dying game. Once you see that, you won't make the mistake again"
Isn't CoD still the highest selling game out there though o_O
Also trading out MLG for Red Bull is more of a win for sc2 in the end, isn't it? Red Bull is HUGE worldwide, whereas MLG is only known amongst those already into esports. Or am I missing something lol...
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
The clarity of MLG on TL has always pushed my buttons in the wrong way. All the tournaments you post about on here and then never actually host, the horrendous event organization for WCS without any fixes, and then posts like this which show zero care for what people are attempting to get clarity out of. You know, if you want to post something be constructive and helpful, don't do one liners which still leave the problem open ended. There are, amazingly enough, people's LIVELIHOOD dependent on factors such as NA LANs for SC2; however, this is all you manage to grace us with.
I've been a member on MLG's site since well before SC2 (2007?) and have watched since the growth in 2004-2005 with other games. However, the amount of jumping around the organization does, the clarity, the communication, the drive and the motivation all seem incredibly lacking for any one game. Understandably, you are an organization. But that alone does not mean you should treat your consumers like they're stupid for trying to understand a situation they have no inside knowledge of. Why not reply to him with something helpful. Posts such as this seem incredibly petty, especially for an official employee.
Try to be reasonable, rational, and critical in your explanations to us so we can understand. Then we can make some real judgement on the issue instead of speculating.
Though, it seems like TL has worked out a comprehensive analysis of what is going on already without directly hearing it from MLG... That speaks volumes :/
they let thousands of angry messages on reddit,people renounce their mlg membership and yet the only thing an mlg employee can do is come to teamliquid and troll.says a lot about the organization mlg is.at this moment in time i do not even consider it professional anymore.literally their only luck is that the usa esports market is so small they hold a monopoly over it.really hope another na company rises so they can put some competition.
On August 10 2013 02:15 opisska wrote: Even thoug it now seems that it is not the case, I still wonder why whould Blizzard not "allow" two tournaments at the same time. I mean, why should they even be upset with that? How does it hurt them?
They don't want tournaments bumping heads, viewer wise especially when they would most likely be at similar times.
Blizz comm manager clarified it. It's a non exclusive weekend and two events running at the same time is fine for them. MLG did not request a license and only redbull did. So it's status quo from yesterday now. MLG wasn't planning on doing sc2 in the first place, so never requested a license.
@MrAdamAp I think the afternoon shareholders call is gonna be a bitch! Heads will roll!
Wow you extracted that much information from me joking with Scoots about his vulgar tweet? Impressive, you should apply to work for SSNN
The clarity of MLG on TL has always pushed my buttons in the wrong way. All the tournaments you post about on here and then never actually host, the horrendous event organization for WCS without any fixes, and then posts like this which show zero care for what people are attempting to get clarity out of. You know, if you want to post something be constructive and helpful, don't do one liners which still leave the problem open ended. There are, amazingly enough, people's LIVELIHOOD dependent on factors such as NA LANs for SC2; however, this is all you manage to grace us with.
I've been a member on MLG's site since well before SC2 (2007?) and have watched since the growth in 2004-2005 with other games. However, the amount of jumping around the organization does, the clarity, the communication, the drive and the motivation all seem incredibly lacking for any one game. Understandably, you are an organization. But that alone does not mean you should treat your consumers like they're stupid for trying to understand a situation they have no inside knowledge of. Why not reply to him with something helpful. Posts such as this seem incredibly petty, especially for an official employee.
Try to be reasonable, rational, and critical in your explanations to us so we can understand. Then we can make some real judgement on the issue instead of speculating.
Though, it seems like TL has worked out a comprehensive analysis of what is going on already without directly hearing it from MLG... That speaks volumes :/
they let thousands of angry message so reddit,people renounce their mlg membership and yet the only thing an mlg employee can do is come to teamliquid and troll.says a lot about the organization mlg is.at this moment in time i do not even consider it professional anymore.literally their only luck is that the usa esports market is so small they hold a monopoly over it.really hope another na company rises so they can put some competition.
I think you should forgive Adam for this little outbust there. They are prone to doing that, but its not like they meant anything bad from it. Redbull applied for the license first and MGL decided to not fight about it and just not have SC2 at the event. They wanted to let people know so they wouldn't by 100 plane tickets and may have miscalculated what would happen. It was a PR mistake, but at the end of the day, we can forgive them for it.
On August 10 2013 02:45 renaissanceMAN wrote: see SC2 is not dying...
It's like one of those movie deaths that go on forever.
i was a cod gamer, believe me, I know what a dying game looks like
SC2 is alive and well
LoL, this is the best quote of the thread.
"You haven't seen a dying game. Once you see that, you won't make the mistake again"
Isn't CoD still the highest selling game out there though o_O
Also trading out MLG for Red Bull is more of a win for sc2 in the end, isn't it? Red Bull is HUGE worldwide, whereas MLG is only known amongst those already into esports. Or am I missing something lol...
Competitive cod ended in cod4 in like 2009/2010 (and this is really stretching it, it was floundering about dead in 08/09) and there have been 3 (4?) cod games since then that have tried to be competitive and failed miserably
I played from the original (which went to the CPL) through 2009, we survived with next to no support from activision for as long as we could. As long as Blizzard exists, they're not just going to let this game "die" like everyone is currently worrying about.
I missed most of the drama whatever, so i just want to get this straight before jumping to any conclussion.
Redbull got the license because they submitted application (or whatever) before MLG for that weekend, so that's why MLG is not hosting SC2 at columbus, right ?
On August 10 2013 03:56 Godwrath wrote: I missed most of the drama whatever, so i just want to get this straight before jumping to any conclussion.
Redbull got the license because they submitted application (or whatever) before MLG for that weekend, so that's why MLG is not hosting SC2 at columbus, right ?
Exactly. MLG opted not to host SC2 at the event. We assume because they didn't want to fight with Redbull for viewers and just decided to bow out. So now we have an event run by Redbull and MLG will likely run other events later with SC2.
On August 10 2013 03:56 Godwrath wrote: I missed most of the drama whatever, so i just want to get this straight before jumping to any conclussion.
Redbull got the license because they submitted application (or whatever) before MLG for that weekend, so that's why MLG is not hosting SC2 at columbus, right ?
Exactly. MLG opted not to host SC2 at the event. We assume because they didn't want to fight with Redbull for viewers and just decided to bow out. So now we have an event run by Redbull and MLG will likely run other events later with SC2.
I am on fire today. Thanks man. So there is no big deal, just stuff that happens and move on.
On August 10 2013 03:56 Godwrath wrote: I missed most of the drama whatever, so i just want to get this straight before jumping to any conclussion.
Redbull got the license because they submitted application (or whatever) before MLG for that weekend, so that's why MLG is not hosting SC2 at columbus, right ?
Exactly. MLG opted not to host SC2 at the event. We assume because they didn't want to fight with Redbull for viewers and just decided to bow out. So now we have an event run by Redbull and MLG will likely run other events later with SC2.
On August 10 2013 03:56 Godwrath wrote: I missed most of the drama whatever, so i just want to get this straight before jumping to any conclussion.
Redbull got the license because they submitted application (or whatever) before MLG for that weekend, so that's why MLG is not hosting SC2 at columbus, right ?
Exactly. MLG opted not to host SC2 at the event. We assume because they didn't want to fight with Redbull for viewers and just decided to bow out. So now we have an event run by Redbull and MLG will likely run other events later with SC2.
Reread the OP he just updated it.
I did and there is no new information. What I said before is accurate.
Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
On August 10 2013 04:16 XXXSmOke wrote: update from blizzard employee.
Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
did you read that?
Yes. That does not mean that MLG did not want to host SC2 at the event, only that they did not formally request a license. They opted not to request one once they knew that Redbull already had one and was running an event. They decided that they did not want to run up against another event and make players and viewers choose which one.
On August 10 2013 04:16 XXXSmOke wrote: update from blizzard employee.
Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
did you read that?
Yes. That does not mean that MLG did not want to host SC2 at the event, only that they did not formally request a license. They opted not to request one once they knew that Redbull already had one and was running an event. They decided that they did not want to run up against another event and make players and viewers choose which one.
do you have any sources for that or are you just guessing out in the blue?
On August 10 2013 04:16 XXXSmOke wrote: update from blizzard employee.
Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
did you read that?
Yes. That does not mean that MLG did not want to host SC2 at the event, only that they did not formally request a license. They opted not to request one once they knew that Redbull already had one and was running an event. They decided that they did not want to run up against another event and make players and viewers choose which one.
Or maybe they indeed decided to drop SC2 and move on.
On August 10 2013 04:16 XXXSmOke wrote: update from blizzard employee.
Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
did you read that?
Yes. That does not mean that MLG did not want to host SC2 at the event, only that they did not formally request a license. They opted not to request one once they knew that Redbull already had one and was running an event. They decided that they did not want to run up against another event and make players and viewers choose which one.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting a SC2 event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
On August 10 2013 04:16 XXXSmOke wrote: update from blizzard employee.
Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
did you read that?
Yes. That does not mean that MLG did not want to host SC2 at the event, only that they did not formally request a license. They opted not to request one once they knew that Redbull already had one and was running an event. They decided that they did not want to run up against another event and make players and viewers choose which one.
do you have any sources for that or are you just guessing out in the blue?
I have it on good authority that MLG decided not to compete with Redbull and opted not request a license, but would have if Redbull was not running an event that weekend.
On August 10 2013 04:16 XXXSmOke wrote: update from blizzard employee.
Kevin M. Johnson @kmicj .@SirScoots @MLG Red Bull is the only company to have requested a license for that weekend. It's an open, non-exclusive weekend.
ok so it appears that mlg did not want to host sc2 in the first place
did you read that?
Yes. That does not mean that MLG did not want to host SC2 at the event, only that they did not formally request a license. They opted not to request one once they knew that Redbull already had one and was running an event. They decided that they did not want to run up against another event and make players and viewers choose which one.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
I presume you mean Starcraft event, unless MLG Columbus is not occurring on that weekend.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Nice you drop in here. I read this 2 times now and honestly I could not find a single information in your post. What is "MLG does not host an event; I am sure there will be info about another event; we help another event if there is one" supposed to mean? Sorry, if I am not into marketinglish that deep to understand.
sure sounds like adam is implying that redbull asked first so mlg is being nice / not competing for players and viewers "doing whats best for the scene"
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
I presume you mean Starcraft event, unless MLG Columbus is not occurring on that weekend.
Correct, sorry I will edit to reflect the distinction.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
I have a feeling these scheduling overlaps are more to do with Blizzards "You can't broadcast over WCS" rule. That leaves very little time for other organizations to put on events since the three regions basically cover a huge chunk of air time.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
I presume you mean Starcraft event, unless MLG Columbus is not occurring on that weekend.
Correct, sorry I will edit to reflect the distinction.
Also, this is lame. Red Bull events (presuming they're in their studio again) are on the west coast right? MLG Columbus is in the east coast time zone which limits the overlap somewhat. Not to mention that there are very few players invited to the Red Bull events so unless they are planning on completely changing their event structure to something much larger there will still be a huge amount of pro players available to attend MLG Columbus. It's a shame, I was really looking forward to attending this event but I won't be there without SC2.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
No title is 100% yet for Columbus, so #1 is not even relevant. However, we plan our calendar around other events so that #1 would not even be an issue. Unfortunately, there was a scheduling overlap with someone else that caught both parties unawares. We are working with that group to make the best of a shoddy situation.
On August 10 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: OMG, we get good news about events and that we are really missing out on nothing and somehow we turn it into the a hate on Blizzard thread.
This is why we can't have nice things. Instead of being exicited about an upcomming event we didn't know about, we are complaining because we thing we should get two events.
you do not replace the biggest platform of sc2 in na with something a lot smaller in size,scale and publicity
The studio Redbull has is pretty big. You don't know how big the event is going to be. You are speculating and blaming Blizzard for something they cannot control.
they can.it is their ip and they can change the rules of the game anytime and without annoucing.it event states in the contracts.and it is weird blizzard let this happen in the most struggling scene with only 2 big lans considering how much they throw #growsc2 around.
@novemberest @nuenergy
there are theonly 2 lans in the usa.how hard it is for blizzard to make sure thye do not overlap.i mean either redbull is ill intended or just bm.they collided with the hsc in europe last time and now they cancel an mlg.wtf.can't this dudes get their own dates?
I have a feeling these scheduling overlaps are more to do with Blizzards "You can't broadcast over WCS" rule. That leaves very little time for other organizations to put on events since the three regions basically cover a huge chunk of air time.
No, the real reason is because redbull was not part of that esports co-operation panel at DH last year! Do you guys remember that? Where all the tourney organizers like sundance, david ting, dh dude, etc all got together and spoke about co-operation and sharing information dates more freely in order not to conflict? Well redbull was not there and so they obviously should have built a time machine to have a presence there because now they're not a part of the old boys club/network and out of the loop now with other tourneys.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
No title is 100% yet for Columbus, so #1 is not even relevant. However, we plan our calendar around other events so that #1 would not even be an issue. Unfortunately, there was a scheduling overlap with someone else that caught both parties unawares. We are working with that group to make the best of a shoddy situation.
Heh well I guess that's as close as a Yes answer to number 2 as we'll get and it'll have to do! I find it funny though that even with scoots and blizzard's comm manager stating that redbull requested that weekend, you still have to not mention them by name. I guess you have to officially keep it so MLG doesn't leak redbull's announcement even though everyone else in the world knows the unnamed party is redbull.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
No title is 100% yet for Columbus, so #1 is not even relevant. However, we plan our calendar around other events so that #1 would not even be an issue. Unfortunately, there was a scheduling overlap with someone else that caught both parties unawares. We are working with that group to make the best of a shoddy situation.
finally a decent answer.thank you adam.wow.if you would have given the answer in the first place you would have saved up thousands of comments on reddit and maybe keep some of your gold member subscribers to.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
No title is 100% yet for Columbus, so #1 is not even relevant. However, we plan our calendar around other events so that #1 would not even be an issue. Unfortunately, there was a scheduling overlap with someone else that caught both parties unawares. We are working with that group to make the best of a shoddy situation.
Perfect example of not actually answering questions? Yes/No
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
No title is 100% yet for Columbus, so #1 is not even relevant. However, we plan our calendar around other events so that #1 would not even be an issue. Unfortunately, there was a scheduling overlap with someone else that caught both parties unawares. We are working with that group to make the best of a shoddy situation.
Perfect example of not actually answering questions? Yes/No
No, not at all. That is the honest information that is available right now. Just because it wasn't a yes or no does not mean it doesn't answer the question.
Just want to say that I appreciate you giving answers (even if vague) here, Adam. I know the community is a bitch sometimes, but know that in the bottom line most all really enjoy MLG SC2 weekend tournaments and that they'd be sorely missed if there were no more.
I wanted to stop back and apologize for the one line response earlier in this thread, I was in the middle of a million things and I was quickly replying to ensure that my copy and pasted tweets were not taken out of context (it was an odd thing to reference within this thread). I know this is a sensitive topic for everyone, and I should have known better than to come in without responding to any of the other questions or concerns that were being voiced. With that being said, I unfortunately do not have much more to add to the discussion. MLG will not be hosting an event the weekend of 11/22-11/24, but I'm sure there will be official announcements about other activity that weekend. If there is activity going on over that weekend, MLG will definitely reach out to the proper parties to offer any help/support we can. Sometimes action (or in this case inaction) is done with scene's best interest in mind.
I know this is an ambiguous post, but I did want to stop in and genuinely apologize for my post. Enjoy the WCS Regional Final bonanza this weekend!
Well I dunno why trying to pull info from MLG is like pulling teeth. You can clear this all up real simple and fast if you answer these questions.
1. Did MLG not request a license because they weren't planning to do sc2 in the first place, so there's no point in asking?
Yes/No
2. Did MLG not request a license only after finding out Redbull was planning an event that same weekend and therefore felt it didn't make business sense to compete for the same viewers and decided not to ask for a license given this info?
Yes/No
That is the only clarification people seek. It answers the question of whether or not MLG didn't want to do sc2 in the first place or whether MLG decided not to do sc2 only after they found out about redbull.
No title is 100% yet for Columbus, so #1 is not even relevant. However, we plan our calendar around other events so that #1 would not even be an issue. Unfortunately, there was a scheduling overlap with someone else that caught both parties unawares. We are working with that group to make the best of a shoddy situation.
Is it true that Blizzard was the only company not paying MLG to have SC2 in their tournaments? I'd feel you guys could save yourself from a lot of negativity by simply stating this.
Thanks for the updates, that final blizzard tweet closes the case. Too bad, MLG weekends were great, but I don't doubt Redbull can do something amazing in its place~
On August 10 2013 11:53 Kipsate wrote: Does this mean no more Monster or Dr Pepper ULTIMATE GAMING HOUSE?
maybe sc2 is the next big promotion tool for energy drinks.redbull,monster,dr pepper should form the NAEDL league-energy drink league simmilar to the proleague and OSL in korea but instead of telecom companies we have energy drink companies
On August 10 2013 11:53 Kipsate wrote: Does this mean no more Monster or Dr Pepper ULTIMATE GAMING HOUSE?
maybe sc2 is the next big promotion tool for energy drinks.redbull,monster,dr pepper should form the NAEDL league-energy drink league simmilar to the proleague and OSL in korea but instead of telecom companies we have energy drink companies
On August 11 2013 08:48 FindMeInKenya wrote: so I guess Sirscoots cannot be consider either reliable or credible anymore. But fuck slasher! Am I right or am I right? XD
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