EPTOn August 10 2013 02:23 NukeD wrote:
HD Brood War remake is where its at.
HD Brood War remake is where its at.
i think people complain more about how the interface sucks and you feel lonley . more then how the gameplay is .
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
i think people complain more about how the interface sucks and you feel lonley . more then how the gameplay is . | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
I love playing the game how it is, oddly enough. I love watching the game how it is, oddly enough. I suppose I can see that people don't like the competitive and intense.. ness of the game, but I feel like that is some criteria to make a great eSport.. Oh well.. We'll see what happens in a couple years. | ||
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brobrah
220 Posts
On August 10 2013 02:30 Foxxan wrote: you dont get it at all 1. Its not about winning or losing, its about having fun What is fun? Fun is tactic, use of units, how you use them, You can make expansions, you can be active you can do small fights here and there, big fights do not end in seconds, big fights is more sustained In sc2, this is hard. The degree is atleast very small compared to broodwar for example The game is bad in this aspect You can move in with all your armee and retreat after some action Building up for 10minutes, without any engagement whatsoever and then the games ends after a 5second fight which u have small power over In broodwar, u had much more power in big fights, even if u lost the fight u still was active in it, you still did something Beeing active, using your brain. Micro finesse, decision making. Everything like this is what is fun Autopilot, no power is boring These exact complaints have been around for years, nothing's changed. What makes you think it will now? SC2 in its current form has an audience so obviously some people don't have a problem with the game. You do, so find a game you don't have a problem with. It's fine to have minor complaints, like this gun is too accurate or this unit's cost is too low. But you have a fundamental problem with how the game is played. It's like not liking offsides in hockey or the shot clock in basketball. Your complaints cannot be addressed without alienating at least some of the current players/fans of the game. In essence, you want Blizzard to make your game and screw everyone else. You know what's really fun, they're only deluding themselves. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 09 2013 23:54 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: BW was a niche game outside of Korea. In Korea, BW was one of the country's biggest sports. The problem today is that SC2 is a niche game in Korea. It was a niche in Korea as well. TV Ratings and the like. RTS games have always been that way. Question for you bub and we're going to go back to one of the oldest examples. Do you think Wrestling is a niche market? Do you know how many people tune into stuff like Raw/Smackdown/TNA Impact etc. on weekly basis? Case in point, it's not for everybody yet they do good business. If there's one thing about niche markets it is that they're pretty consistent throughout. It helps knowing your base and that's what you got to utilize. On August 10 2013 02:32 xsnac wrote: i think people complain more about how the interface sucks and you feel lonley . more then how the gameplay is . I hear complaints about both and it sucks that people are only finding out about such communities like this until much later and that's why you got to take initiative and use a search engine or something! I've been fortunate though because back in the Vanilla SC days I knew a lot of the boys from places like the Ladder channel and then it just want on from there. You got to go places. For me SC/BW was never a ghost town and it's a shame we didn't get such features in B.Net 2.0 until much later. Anyway, I see bitching about both a lot. Like babysitting your goons nonstop because they're one of the clumsiest units. It's hard to appreciate something when you have no idea what the A.I. was like lol. The interface really wasn't that bad. | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
 .The current WCS system is just really hurting the whole tournament scene. It was very poorly planned and Blizzard definately needs to think about their plans for 2014. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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SiCkO_
United States481 Posts
plus i love team leagues  | ||
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ETisME
12618 Posts
The metagame is so stale that it's not even funny | ||
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Zahanator
Czech Republic51 Posts
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max1337
Germany51 Posts
it's the problem of the genre 1v1 RTS. of course there are little things that could be improved but it won't change much. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
The problem is with the game itself not tournaments or presentation. The only exciting part was when HOTS launched, and it lasted just as long as people realized it's much the same thing as WOL (pre Queen buff). Fix the game and the viewers will return. | ||
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julianto
2292 Posts
On August 10 2013 01:43 Foxxan wrote: If the game was tons of fun to play, people would play it for sure No need to do things like these A casual player builds up his bases for 10minutes, and now banelings role in and he gets demolishes and the game ends This is how sc2 works there is no sustaining fighting going on, its just one big ball vs ball, fight ends in 10sec,now game is over! This is not fun in the long run for a casual gamer and a professional gamer. If the game rewarded micro more than macro, I think more people would enjoy playing the game. When I first came into SC, I thought about all the micro I could try out, not spamming keys just to have an army to work with. Also, it's supposed to be a strategy game. But it's hard to grow strategies when the primary predictor of winner and loser is macro. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5218 Posts
Why? Because Korea has an existing system to develop talent and many other places don't. If you don't lock regions, then they export their talent elsewhere and make it that much harder for said scene to create a system to develop talent, since no one can win anything to get recognition and money, they all get crushed by Koreans. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On August 10 2013 03:04 phiinix wrote: I think the analogy on reddit about sc being like tennis in the world of sports is pretty on point. The casual spectator that you want to watch a game doesn't care about balance. All the whining about sc2 not being as good as bw and being death bally, static, containing broken mechanics, doesn't matter all that much imo. It just doesn't. Static game? Any main stream sport is horridly static. People don't watch games (video or physical) for dynamics. The wide majority of people who watch sports (casually) don't know all the intricate rules. What I think really matters is seeing a game that can be played with friends. It's more fun and enjoyable to take a group of 8 friends and split into 4's and play basketball even if everyone is terrible than it is to square off into 1v1 tournament brackets. Not THE reason, but A reason. You are COMPLETELY wrong about everything | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
It's a really lonely game experience, which is probably the biggest problem. If team games were better, arcade games better, then maybe. I don't think this has anything to do with WCS, or even viewing experience, I'm a firm believer that SC2 has the best viewing experience out of any esport, the problem is no one is playing the game "right now" | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
If you stick with one game, the number of fans cheering next to you is going to diminish. | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On August 10 2013 03:32 ProxyKnoxy wrote: The game is boring to watch. Until you completely revamp the protoss race and make battles more exciting to watch then the decline is inevitable. I can only watch so much of collosus wars You are COMPLETELY wrong about everything How is he completely wrong? Casual spectators really don't care a lot about balance, it's true. When I took my friends out to a bar craft, they're not considering all the stuff that's going on. But they still did manage to enjoy the game, it's visually pleasing. I think S2 IS growing. Considering that streams BARELY had 100 viewers in beta, it actually flabbergasts me to see multiple personal streams with 1k on Monday evenings! If sc2 was to grow, wouldn't it make sense for us to contribue our small part? Play a few games, tune into the streams. Bring your friends to a barcraft, show up to a LAN. As long as there are people who are tuned into the game, it'll always be growing. | ||
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crazyweasel
607 Posts
what can help tho : 1-2million dollar blizzard tournament juste like vavle or riot did with alot of hype and lore/rivalries between teams/players/countries. why is rivalries between countries so moving? because its in our nature, we are predisposed to do what is called tribalism empathy (we feel good with our "own" kind") just like most immigrants are so exhalted when they go back to their countries to see family and stuff, i can speak for it. emprical proof to be found in yesterday's liquid victory againstLGD china, liquid being the last american team in the tournament, the growd was loud and moved because liquid stood as their representative but also because they faced a very strong chinese team (let's agree chinese dota is so solid just like korean starcraft - it was an upset, they were the underdogs vs LGD) | ||
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