WCS Europe S2 Final eight brackets determined

On August 09 2013 09:10 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
MMA 3-2 Hasu
MC 3-1 Welmu
NaNiwa 3-1 duckdeok
VortiX 3-0 Grubby

MMA 3-2 MC
NaNiwa 3-2 VortiX

NaNiwa 4-1 MMA

Just maybe? :o

On August 09 2013 09:10 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
MMA 3-2 Hasu
MC 3-1 Welmu
NaNiwa 3-1 duckdeok
VortiX 3-0 Grubby

MMA 3-2 MC
NaNiwa 3-2 VortiX

NaNiwa 4-1 MMA

Just maybe? :o

On August 09 2013 09:13 ratty wrote:


Protoss never wins anything silly.

On August 09 2013 09:53 blade55555 wrote:


They won wcs na and a couple other of tournaments lately .

On August 09 2013 10:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Hasuobs vs duckdeok finals confirmed

On August 09 2013 09:52 Master of DalK wrote:
I'm going to be so fucking pissed if there isn't a protoss champion.

On August 09 2013 10:37 tshi wrote:

Will people still say that Protoss is underpowered if they don't win the championship?

On August 09 2013 10:38 Godwrath wrote:

Of course, if even 6 protosses can't fend off 1 zerg and a 1 terran there is obviously a problem.

On August 09 2013 09:13 ratty wrote:


Protoss never wins anything silly.

On August 09 2013 10:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Median Outcome Bracket

     HasuObs 2 ┐ 
               ├───────── MMA 3 ┐ 
         MMA 3 ┘                │ 
                                ├───────── MMA 4 ┐ 
       Welmu 3 ┐                │                │ 
               ├─────── Welmu 2 ┘                │ 
          MC 2 ┘                                 │ 
                                                 ├─ MMA
      NaNiwa 3 ┐                                 │ 
               ├────── NaNiwa 2 ┐                │ 
    duckdeok 1 ┘                │                │ 
                                ├────── VortiX 3 ┘ 
      VortiX 3 ┐                │                  
               ├────── VortiX 3 ┘                  
      Grubby 1 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

lol Aligulac calling for the TvZ

On August 09 2013 11:03 Nebuchad wrote:


If Vortix has 28% to win, how come MMA beats him in the finals? I don't get it (I'm dumb, use small words)

On August 09 2013 11:02 F.O.A.D. wrote:

are you really going to whine when you have 6 of the top 8 being protoss?

On August 09 2013 11:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:
does that make sense?

On August 09 2013 13:35 RKC wrote:
"The final eight notably features six Protoss players and NONE of the final eight from season "

LOL. WCS EU so volatile! WCS EU killing e-sports.

Kidding, of course. Sad that MVP, Stephano and Lucifron is out, but I'm happy we have Naniwa, MMA and MC back in form.

On August 09 2013 13:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:

There was a lot of overturn in the top 8 this season.
0/8 repeats in WCS EU
1/8 repeat in WCS AM ( aLive only player with back to back Ro8 appearance)
4/8 repeats in WCS KR ( INnoVation, Bomber, Soulkey, Symbol)

so 5/24 repeat top 8s

On August 09 2013 09:13 ratty wrote:


Protoss never wins anything silly.

On August 09 2013 15:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Honestly, finale winning would be the best storyline ever

On August 09 2013 09:13 ratty wrote:


Protoss never wins anything silly.

On August 09 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:


Finale is basically becoming a protoss version of hyvaa. He doesn't beat around the bush, he's insanely aggressive in his openings but he's making it work with sick control, forcefields and his followup transitions are really smart. It's kind of a love-hate thing people have with him because of that.

I personally love it. A lot of greedy things are going unpunished in HotS as they did in WoL for a long time until someone like him comes along and just shuts your greed down completely. Best example was game 1 against Lucifron where finale just got rid of him with the simplest 3gate pressure expand

He's like a reality check for people who are spoiled by how dreamy HotS is

On August 09 2013 16:54 Seiju wrote:
Too bad to have Nani, Vortix & Grubby in the same half of the table. Otherwise I find this Ro8 surprisingly promising, despite its heavy PvP case study aspect.

On August 09 2013 17:11 Riner1212 wrote:
i feel grubby is too much hype... nice person but not a great player sorry to put it. just blows my mind how mvp lost to him. but then again i understand mvp arrived the night before he was playing soo the jet lag must have made an impact plus his neck was bothering him. a healthy mvp can beat anyone.

On August 09 2013 17:19 Seph02 wrote:
Hasuobs 1-3 MMA
Welmu 1-3 MC
Naniwa 2-3 Duckdeok
Grubby 3-2 Vortix

MC 3-2 MMA
Grubby 3-1 Duckdeok

MC 2-3 Grubby

On August 09 2013 17:41 RiZu wrote:
MMA:3:2 HasuObs
Welmu 3:2 MC
DUCKMAN: 3:2 Naniwa
Grubby 3:2 Vortix

Semi-Final
MMA 3:1 DUCKMAN
Grubby 3:2 Welmu

Final
MMA/Grubby 4:3 Grubby/MMA

On August 09 2013 17:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:


Not a protoss, THE PROTOSS

the Duck Lord FINALE

On August 09 2013 17:48 herMan wrote:
Pretty sure a protoss will win this one and it's about time to be honest. MMA has terrible TvP, an exemplary game would be g2 vs naniwa in ro8. Vortix just hasn't been on the level he was in wol.

On August 09 2013 17:53 jarod wrote:
I really hope Naniwa can take it all. He is in a really good shape.. though hes PvZ was lets say.. innovative?

On August 09 2013 19:29 opisska wrote:
The "random" draw was pretty funny, because the rules in place don't actually leave a lot of degrees of freedom, even though drawing from 4 and then 4 names seems naively to give you 576 different outcomes. First, you put the 4 second placers - the only thing that matters is who is on the same side of bracket and that gives you only 3 options that are truly different (as order doesn't matter inside the pairs, nor between pairs). Then, because the first place finisher from a group has to be in the other side of the bracket than the secind place finsihers, you just have to draw twice from two, giving you 4 options. Together, there are only 12 ways the matchups may have gone.

On August 09 2013 20:12 messioso wrote:


What is your point? It was completely random within a few set parameters to reward those that finished top of their group by getting a lower seeded player, and to stop a rematch happening before the grand final.

On August 09 2013 20:12 messioso wrote:


What is your point? It was completely random within a few set parameters to reward those that finished top of their group by getting a lower seeded player, and to stop a rematch happening before the grand final.

On August 09 2013 20:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:


Actually finale would've beaten Welmu if he didn't get caught by that one timewarp. And while that's a classic PvP mistake, it doesn't really say anything about his overall PvP. Finale was a Code S protoss. He knows how to macro.

On August 09 2013 09:07 Waxangel wrote:
The Season II finals sometimes will take place between August 10th and 11th

On August 09 2013 19:44 AyaaLa wrote:
please mma win this

On August 09 2013 21:28 Raketen wrote:
If there's a TvZ final we will never hear the end of it from the Protoss players! >.<

On August 09 2013 19:23 Qikz wrote:
When was the last time we ever had 6 toss in a ro8? It actually feels pretty nostalgic at this point haha.

On August 09 2013 21:28 Raketen wrote:
If there's a TvZ final we will never hear the end of it from the Protoss players! >.<

On August 09 2013 22:53 Msr wrote:
tvz final is the most likely to happen

On August 09 2013 21:31 Rollora wrote:
when 6 out of the top 8 are Toss...

On August 09 2013 21:28 Raketen wrote:
If there's a TvZ final we will never hear the end of it from the Protoss players! >.<

On August 09 2013 09:46 Shinta) wrote:

MMA and NaNiWa will lose first round. Hasu and duckdeok will lose in the next round.

CALLIN IT!

On August 09 2013 23:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:
THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH

On August 09 2013 23:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:
THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH

On August 09 2013 09:17 StarGalaxy wrote:
MMA < Hasu
MC < Welmu
NaNiwa > duckdeok
VortiX > Grubby
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Welmu < Hasu
NaNiwa > VortiX
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NaNiwa > Hasu

On August 10 2013 02:40 azzih wrote:
Its not impossible that all koreans will drop out in first round. MMA and MC arent that good anymore, i mean they dont have top korean level anymore. Duckdeok is quite good, but Naniwa can be able to beat him.

On August 09 2013 21:28 iKill wrote:


That would be hilarious.

On August 10 2013 16:34 Tepiz wrote:
I would say
MMA vs hasu 2-3 (mma tvp is just too weak)

welmu vs mc 3-1. (welmus PvP is is something close to 80% win rate i think)

vortix grubby 3-2.( this could go pretty much go either way, but i think vortix will be the winner.)

naniwa vs duck 3-1. (duck just does not impress me)

hasu 2-3 welmu. (these 2 are pretty mcuh best pvp you could ask for whitout koreans.) could go either way

vortix vs naniwa 2-3 (ok i don´t care who wins, but this needs to happen :D, but seriusly this could go either way since neither player is really consistant.)

welmu 4-2 nani.(this bradget makes welmu as happy as he can be whit all this pvp) also sweden vs finland finals would be awesomeness.) this could also go either way.

other mentions: if vortix wins nani he would crush welmu.
mc and mma still know how to win so even if ods are agaist them here they can still do it.