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RKC
2848 Posts
Then again, I suppose that's the mentality that make the Scots think they're World Champions when they beat England shortly after the latter winning the World Cup in '66. Imagine if A beats B but can't beat C to Z, B beats C to Z but not A. Is A the bonjwa alphabet? No. Okay, fine, A may beat C-M. But B beating C-Z is still better. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:39 RKC wrote: Beating the World No. 1 doesn't automatically make you the World No. 1. He didn't just beat him in some Proleague best of one, or in the group stages. He smashed him in a best of seven in the Ro4 of the worlds best individual tournament. And it wasn't even close. He dominated every game, including the macro game. It is the equivalent of Scotland defeating England 4-0 in the semi finals of 66' World Cup, and then saying "hey, we are better than England!" Which would have been true. | ||
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RKC
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:43 BronzeKnee wrote: He didn't just beat him in some Proleague best of one, or in the group stages. He smashed him in a best of seven in the Ro4 of the worlds best individual tournament. It is the equivalent of Scotland defeating England in the final four of a World Cup, and then saying "hey, we are better than England!" Which would be true. I don't think the two games can be compared to easily. Maru did beat INnoVation handily, but it was one of the three match ups. I think it's hard to argue that Maru has better TvZ/TvP than INnoVation. Maybe he does, but I think it's unlikely. We will get to see more of Maru soon enough. And when the Global S2 Finals happen, we will see more. I think we should wait a bit before going too into this. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
Elephants... On August 09 2013 15:45 Gorilla23 wrote: I don't think the two games can be compared to easily. Maru did beat INnoVation handily, but it was one of the three match ups. I think it's hard to argue that Maru has better TvZ/TvP than INnoVation. Maybe he does, but I think it's unlikely. We will get to see more of Maru soon enough. And when the Global S2 Finals happen, we will see more. I think we should wait a bit before going too into this. Honestly, it would have been good if the Power Rank came out after the finals, so you are correct. However, at this very moment, based on results, the only legitimate arguments that can be made are for Rain or Maru. And seeing as though Maru smashed the consensus #1, his argument is very strong. As for Maru's other matchups, well he just beat Symbol handily, and will be facing Rain, so we'll find out. You'd be foolish though to argue that the loser is the better player. It reeks of bias and favoritism. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:46 BronzeKnee wrote: Well to some people Innovation will always be #1, as long as he doesn't lose every game. Elephants... He only got to the semi-finals and carried his team to PL victory (while doing well elsewhere like breezing through the IEM qualifier and kept advancing in the WCG qualifier). Kid shouldn't even be in the top 10 anymore right? | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:48 Valikyr wrote: He only got to the semi-finals and carried his team to PL victory. Kid shouldn't even be in the top 10 anymore right? I put him #3. Lots of lesser players did well in Proleague (Trap went undefeated for STX in the playsoffs) and lots of lesser players did well in WCG, but that pales in comparison to a 4-0 sweep of the consensus #1 player in the Ro4 of the OSL for individual rankings. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:36 Gorilla23 wrote: Care to explain why WJS is the best team in SPL? STX did actually perform better in the last three rounds of SPL, and they did go 5-0 in the playoffs to win. I would agree WJS was by far the strongest in WoL, but HotS changed some of the rankings IMO. Because WJS topped the PL ranking by a large margin for an extended period of times and kinda slacked off in the last rounds (cause they didn't have to play well). STX had great momentum in the end and they run everybody over but I still think WJS is a better team overall. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:49 BronzeKnee wrote: I put him #3. Lots of lesser players did well in Proleague (Trap went undefeated for STX in the playsoffs) and lots of lesser players did well in WCG, but that pales in comparison to a 4-0 sweep of the consensus #1 player in the Ro4 of the OSL for individual rankings. Yeah, but did Trap do well in WCS + SPL + WCG? No. Sure, each tourney by itself may be easy, in your eyes. But surely preparing for all of them at once and doing well is not. | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
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DustbinBieber
France276 Posts
Would have still put Flash in the top 10. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
As opinions. | ||
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On August 09 2013 16:46 DustbinBieber wrote: I strongly advise the ones saying that SK doesn't deserve top 3 to watch his latest impressive ZvT games (G1 in OSL against Bogus as well as their PL final match), he's clearly at least half a genius. Would have still put Flash in the top 10. And this genius lost to supernova, which I wouldn't rank highest level tvzer. In July, soulkey didn't win any top 10 player at all. Again He is the best Zerg in the world. It's just no Zerg deserve top 5 since they all chokes against top tier Terran. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:59 Apoteosis wrote: Innovation is hyped as fuck Innovation is winning a fuck ton. | ||
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SupaDupaFlyPro
Italy47 Posts
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DustbinBieber
France276 Posts
On August 09 2013 17:15 Baroninthetree wrote: And this genius lost to supernova, which I wouldn't rank highest level tvzer. In July, soulkey didn't win any top 10 player at all. Again He is the best Zerg in the world. It's just no Zerg deserve top 5 since they all chokes against top tier Terran. SuperNova is very easy to lose to because of his style. Also I'd argue that very high tier TvZ is overall slightly T favored these days (chiefly due to Bogus but well...) | ||
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PerSe
United Kingdom550 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:39 RKC wrote: Beating the World No. 1 doesn't automatically make you the World No. 1. Then again, I suppose that's the mentality that make the Scots think they're World Champions when they beat England shortly after the latter winning the World Cup in '66. Imagine if A beats B but can't beat C to Z, B beats C to Z but not A. Is A the bonjwa alphabet? No. Okay, fine, A may beat C-M. But B beating C-Z is still better. well, but previously Innovation was such an easy pick for #1 because he was arguably the best TvZ, TvT and TvP player around. He now got destroyed in 2 TvTs (Bomber and Maru), and a lot of Terrans have caught up to his TvZ. And we have seen little of his TvP this month. It may not be enough to dethrone him, yet, the situation for him is getting quite dire. | ||
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