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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:23 Serpico wrote: And blizzard is to blame for messing up the Korean community with how they presented the game to them  .You mean by making them pay for the game? >_> | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:22 Rhaegal wrote: Is Dota 2 fun to watch/play? I haven't tried it out, but I want something to fall back on just in case. Wasn't a big fan of LoL at all. No denying, no penalty for death, huge mana pools for every champ, and free blink dagger at game start. You're asking that right when the Superbowl of dota is on air ? What are you waiting, just go watch it >< | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Besides, plenty of people loved to rag on MLG and NA scene, so shouldn't you be happy? | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
It would be really bad if MLG bowed out of SC2 entirely. There's no way to sugarcoat that. WCS makes for a nice narrative when it works, but at some point we might have to ask if its worth it. When you're Riot and the LCS is popular everywhere, with region locking and sports visas and every broadcast gets 100k views, that's one thing. But that's not where SC2 is. And I can only imagine the sky is falling rhetoric when these region finals are all held back to back to back during TI3 for some fucking reason and all of a sudden the WCS NA regional grand finals are drawing 8k viewers. Cluster fuck. ...Maybe IPL can come back? | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:23 Serpico wrote: And blizzard is to blame for messing up the Korean community with how they presented the game to them .yeah a lot of truth to this. i think blizzard mismanaged sc2 in a lot of ways and does deserve some criticism. they should have just hired a team of brood war pros to create the game in all honesty | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:24 aksfjh wrote: You mean by making them pay for the game? >_> i thought bw sold 4.5m copies in korea | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:20 Joedaddy wrote: RIP in Peace SC2~ 2010 - 2013 MLG set the stage for some of SC2's greatest story lines. Really sad its ending T.T; Admittedly though~ I haven't followed (or played) SC2 for several months now. Rest in peace in Peace SC2? | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
But without the WCS the scene would be even more dead than it already is. It's the game, people. It's the game. Don't try to blame the lack of popularity on WCS or anything Blizz did. | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:31 theking1 wrote: mlg has a lee sin vs lee sin tournament right now on twitch with 500 viewers. #mlgbusiness haha seriously. it must not be about viewership. i always thought sc2 was #2 behind lol. Seemed like 80k viewers was pretty consistent when i was watching mlg streams in the past. | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:38 dizzy101 wrote: So many people blaming Blizz and WCS. But without the WCS the scene would be even more dead than it already is. It's the game, people. It's the game. Don't try to blame the lack of popularity on WCS or anything Blizz did. Well, Blizzard was also responsible for how the game turned out...  | ||
norjoncal
89 Posts
I originally wanted Blizzard just to stay out of the whole tournament scene. Let the free market run it's course Meaning some companies would succeed other would fail. But I am assuming Blizzard has been subsidizing GOM since the beginning. They probably also paid Boxer,Nada and Yellow. BW Korea thus far was the most successful ESPORT. They had huge viewing numbers. But they only had 5 big events a year MSL,OSL and Proleague. In 2012 in feels we were having 5 big events a month. More tourneys does not equal better tourneys. There might be more total views but less views per tournament. Pick a professional team sport now double the amount of teams. While the league itself might get more money. Each team is getting less views and attendance Some people suggest WCS Korea should have a higher prize pool since they have the best players. Having the best players is irrelevant. The USA could have the best soccer team in the world but these players would earn less than a players on a Euro team, no one or a super small percentage of Americans care about soccer. Why does the USA get all the best players in Basketball or Baseball,NBA/MLB because these leagues get the most views thus more money. The best players follow the money. The money does not follow the best players. SC2 grew so fast outside Korea that so many tournaments and Leagues popped up. Then viewership started to stall in growth. Not shrink but not continue to grow at huge percents. Now we had dozens of tournaments splitting viewership.Including Korea it seems there was a new GSL champ every 2 weeks. Some organization like MLG overestimated the growth, look at the prize pool difference between MLG and Dreamhack in 2012. I really liked the show Alcatraz, it was canceled. It did not matter that I watched every show and it was my favorite. It was not bringing in enough views or money. They did not just throw more money at it or brodcast more shows a week. Do I want SC2 to me huge, the biggest and baddest and have players and casters make millions of dollars, Of course. But this is not why I watch SC2, I watch it because it entertains me. No matter how much the hardcore fans want it to be huge (any one on TL or Reddit is considered HC due to the fact that they are on TL or Reddit) it can only support what it can support. | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:25 Noocta wrote: You're asking that right when the Superbowl of dota is on air ? What are you waiting, just go watch it >< it's pretty boring to watch IMHO. The game is just stupid easy to play so it has that advantage over starcraft to attract new viewers. Unfortunately for starcraft, it's not exactly a game someone can just start playing. There are serious growing pains with it, despite the fact sc2 is infinitely easier than brood war. None of my RL friends play sc2 because there is too many things to do and it becomes chore to them vs a fun game. also dota 5.54 > *. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
It's a popular meme | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:38 dizzy101 wrote: So many people blaming Blizz and WCS. But without the WCS the scene would be even more dead than it already is. It's the game, people. It's the game. Don't try to blame the lack of popularity on WCS or anything Blizz did. Its weird, because MLG basically just said, "We don't want the viewers from SC2 to watch our event, they are not worth our time". Its not that they don't' like the game. Its that we don't make it worth it. | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:58 Rhaegal wrote: Blizzard doesn't have to rely on esports, or base their living on a single game like Riot does. Why take a gamble on a game with a small player base, or into the esports world that still is not profitable or popular, when they can put money into games with guaranteed millions upon millions of players. Because Blizzard no longer has that guarantee. WoW is dying. The subscription model for video games will die with it. Diablo III was a disaster for them from a PR perspective that will have lasting consequences for their business. They missed the MOBA craze when the whole thing was set up for them to smash it out of the park. Titan is years and years away. Blizzard is about to have a pretty huge down turn in their business and they no longer have the fan support to completely fall back on. The SC2 community was ready and willing to be the backbone, but Blizzard had no idea what to do. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:43 dutchfriese wrote: it's pretty boring to watch IMHO. The game is just stupid easy to play so it has that advantage over starcraft to attract new viewers. Unfortunately for starcraft, it's not exactly a game someone can just start playing. There are serious growing pains with it, despite the fact sc2 is infinitely easier than brood war. None of my RL friends play sc2 because there is too many things to do and it becomes chore to them vs a fun game. also dota 5.54 > *. I never got why people say this, SC2 isn't really hard at all to just pick up and quickly get to at least silver/gold league so that you have enough understanding to enjoy watching games. Even a lot of bronze games could probably get you to that point of understanding. | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
yup, popular meme that's been around since 2011. It's completely baseless however; until the top pros start retiring because it's no longer in their economic interests to continue playing, then i'm not sure how one can say sc2 is dead. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:38 dizzy101 wrote: So many people blaming Blizz and WCS. But without the WCS the scene would be even more dead than it already is. It's the game, people. It's the game. Don't try to blame the lack of popularity on WCS or anything Blizz did. I seriously doubt it would be more "dead". WCS have made several major missteps, non compete with the different region streams that led to NASL no longer existing. Blizzard have managed to brute force themselves into this position, you are either in or out basically. (MLG didn't want nothing to do with it finally so they dropped it) GSL would have been the same without it but we wouldn't have had OSL possibly. NA would still have had NASL and MLG. Only Europe benefited from this, DH is stronger than ever and ESL got a true league to produce AND they have IEM. It's easy to point fingers at Blizzard because they didn't even try to hide it to begin with. And honestly when a company douse a move like Blizzard did with WCS you shouldn't trust them for even one second. Edit: And frankly I don't get why they did it, people are not going to watch WCS and then buy the game. If the game was f2p and in game shop, sure but the cost of WCS and how much it benefits the company... | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:47 GwSC wrote: I never got why people say this, SC2 isn't really hard at all to just pick up and quickly get to at least silver/gold league so that you have enough understanding to enjoy watching games. Even a lot of bronze games could probably get you to that point of understanding. Especially when you consider the alternative. LoL/Dota may be "easy to play," but they sure as fuck are not easy to understand. There are a hundred characters and a million items in each of those games. If you don't know literally everything then 1) watching the game looks like a stupid explosion of crappy blue effects every now and again followed by guys pathing back and forth doing nothing of consequence, and 2) playing it is lame as fuck because you have no concept of how anything works. | ||
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