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On August 14 2013 13:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 13:26 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 13:24 Plansix wrote:On August 14 2013 13:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 14 2013 12:47 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 12:29 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 11:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Drop SC2 for Dota/Lol maybe on that basis, but does say, CoD really do that well in terms of viewership? It's not really a 'no brainer' in that sense imo, more a hand has been forced in some way by the post-WCS era Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there. SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead. Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part. who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans. You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG. Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach. the largest audience is when 2 well known foreigners are present or when it is foreigner vs korean.na teams have plenty of koreans on their rooster to send to mlg.And I think europeans hold more mlgs than na players.Nobody forces mlg to bring lesser known kespa players to eliminate the foreigners.Literally nobody asked for this.and if mlg isnt taking taking that aproach why are they complaining about numbers?lol You must be new to the scene. Back in the old days, MLG was just na players, starring the infrequent EU player. Then hit MLG Columbus and we brought forth the top of the top Koreans and SC2 esports was born. Probably one of the biggest successes of all MLG's(although Anaheim this year and last are comparable, as well as the last MLG Dallas.) Yeah we love top foreigners playing each other, but in the end it's about seeing the highest level play we can, which is spurred on by Koreans. I don't know how much they still sponsor Koreans coming over, or if it is all team-based now, but they did. There were a lot of factors to Columbus' success. Yeah, Koreans were a huge factor, but remember the "Korean vs Foreigner" selling point was entirely unique for that one tournament. Sure, there were plenty of Korean vs Foreigner matches before, but at a weekend LAN in North America? That was unheard of. Not to mention IdrA's deep run, and his infamous matches against MC and MMA, amplified the effect. Plus SC2, as a whole, was still growing at that point. I honestly don't think an MLG that didn't pay for Korean plane-tickets would be nearly as bad as people propose. Sure, watching the best competition is always good, but there are plenty of venues for that, and I think being the only Open Bracket LAN now would add a lot of appeal. That said, opinions don't really matter, MLG is the one making the call, and frankly we don't know any of the reasons behind this. Hell, we don't even know if SC2 is out completely or just at this one tournament. Its not completely out according to MLGAdam who said they just backed off for this event due to the Redbull event. No reason to compete for viewers and players in the same area. also sundance confirmed on reddit they are going to have a dota2 lan at mlg.probably we are going to see dota2 at mlg instead of sc2  Why is that bad? SC2 is going to be happening at Redbull. Its good that MLG is running another game, it means they are going to do well that weekend. NA dota 2 is pretty fun, if slightly dumb.
well considering sundance always bashes sc2 for high costs I am curious how much money they are going to spend to have a lot of top dota2 teams there to create viewership for mlg.Nothing is certain yet but form my point of view they need at least 10 teams to fill 3 days of content not to mention they have to convince top european and chinesse teams to come and spend money on airplanes,hotels etc(valve form what I know is not involved).Also incontrol debunked the myth that blizzard asks mlg for money to host sc2 so I really am curious to the financial underlay of having dota2 instead of sc2.that is all.You have to remember that at dreamhack when dota2 had high viewership there were a lot of top teams and the mlg scheduling in na is very bad for europeans and chinesse.Even people watching ti3 complained about time zone differences.they will have to rely solely on na viewership for the most part.
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On August 14 2013 13:37 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 13:30 Plansix wrote:On August 14 2013 13:26 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 13:24 Plansix wrote:On August 14 2013 13:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 14 2013 12:47 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 12:29 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:
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Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there.
SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead.
Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part. who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans. You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG. Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach. the largest audience is when 2 well known foreigners are present or when it is foreigner vs korean.na teams have plenty of koreans on their rooster to send to mlg.And I think europeans hold more mlgs than na players.Nobody forces mlg to bring lesser known kespa players to eliminate the foreigners.Literally nobody asked for this.and if mlg isnt taking taking that aproach why are they complaining about numbers?lol You must be new to the scene. Back in the old days, MLG was just na players, starring the infrequent EU player. Then hit MLG Columbus and we brought forth the top of the top Koreans and SC2 esports was born. Probably one of the biggest successes of all MLG's(although Anaheim this year and last are comparable, as well as the last MLG Dallas.) Yeah we love top foreigners playing each other, but in the end it's about seeing the highest level play we can, which is spurred on by Koreans. I don't know how much they still sponsor Koreans coming over, or if it is all team-based now, but they did. There were a lot of factors to Columbus' success. Yeah, Koreans were a huge factor, but remember the "Korean vs Foreigner" selling point was entirely unique for that one tournament. Sure, there were plenty of Korean vs Foreigner matches before, but at a weekend LAN in North America? That was unheard of. Not to mention IdrA's deep run, and his infamous matches against MC and MMA, amplified the effect. Plus SC2, as a whole, was still growing at that point. I honestly don't think an MLG that didn't pay for Korean plane-tickets would be nearly as bad as people propose. Sure, watching the best competition is always good, but there are plenty of venues for that, and I think being the only Open Bracket LAN now would add a lot of appeal. That said, opinions don't really matter, MLG is the one making the call, and frankly we don't know any of the reasons behind this. Hell, we don't even know if SC2 is out completely or just at this one tournament. Its not completely out according to MLGAdam who said they just backed off for this event due to the Redbull event. No reason to compete for viewers and players in the same area. also sundance confirmed on reddit they are going to have a dota2 lan at mlg.probably we are going to see dota2 at mlg instead of sc2 Why is that bad? SC2 is going to be happening at Redbull. Its good that MLG is running another game, it means they are going to do well that weekend. NA dota 2 is pretty fun, if slightly dumb. well considering sundance always bashes sc2 for high costs I am curious how much money they are going to spend to have a lot of top dota2 teams there to create viewership for mlg.Nothing is certain yet but form my point of view they need at least 10 teams to fill 3 days of content not to mention they have to convince top european and chinesse teams to come and spend money on airplanes,hotels etc(valve form what I know is not involved).Also incontrol debunked the myth that blizzard asks mlg for money to host sc2 so I really am curious to the financial underlay of having dota2 instead of sc2.that is all.You have to remember that at dreamhack when dota2 had high viewership there were a lot of top teams and the mlg scheduling in na is very bad for europeans and chinesse.Even people watching ti3 complained about time zone differences.they will have to rely solely on na viewership for the most part.
It was a myth Incontrol started. We heard that from him first. And the rest is noise. MGL would have SC2 there if they could and they will have SC2 again, maybe right next to Dota 2 and LoL. And the world will continue to spin.
You worry to much about who is watching what. It doesn't really matter for the viewers. There should be 2 question you ask your self. Is there Starcraft that weekend? Yes. What time is it on? Not known yet, but Redbull will fill us in.
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On August 14 2013 13:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 13:37 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 13:30 Plansix wrote:On August 14 2013 13:26 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 13:24 Plansix wrote:On August 14 2013 13:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 14 2013 12:47 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 12:29 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:
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who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans. You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG. Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach. the largest audience is when 2 well known foreigners are present or when it is foreigner vs korean.na teams have plenty of koreans on their rooster to send to mlg.And I think europeans hold more mlgs than na players.Nobody forces mlg to bring lesser known kespa players to eliminate the foreigners.Literally nobody asked for this.and if mlg isnt taking taking that aproach why are they complaining about numbers?lol You must be new to the scene. Back in the old days, MLG was just na players, starring the infrequent EU player. Then hit MLG Columbus and we brought forth the top of the top Koreans and SC2 esports was born. Probably one of the biggest successes of all MLG's(although Anaheim this year and last are comparable, as well as the last MLG Dallas.) Yeah we love top foreigners playing each other, but in the end it's about seeing the highest level play we can, which is spurred on by Koreans. I don't know how much they still sponsor Koreans coming over, or if it is all team-based now, but they did. There were a lot of factors to Columbus' success. Yeah, Koreans were a huge factor, but remember the "Korean vs Foreigner" selling point was entirely unique for that one tournament. Sure, there were plenty of Korean vs Foreigner matches before, but at a weekend LAN in North America? That was unheard of. Not to mention IdrA's deep run, and his infamous matches against MC and MMA, amplified the effect. Plus SC2, as a whole, was still growing at that point. I honestly don't think an MLG that didn't pay for Korean plane-tickets would be nearly as bad as people propose. Sure, watching the best competition is always good, but there are plenty of venues for that, and I think being the only Open Bracket LAN now would add a lot of appeal. That said, opinions don't really matter, MLG is the one making the call, and frankly we don't know any of the reasons behind this. Hell, we don't even know if SC2 is out completely or just at this one tournament. Its not completely out according to MLGAdam who said they just backed off for this event due to the Redbull event. No reason to compete for viewers and players in the same area. also sundance confirmed on reddit they are going to have a dota2 lan at mlg.probably we are going to see dota2 at mlg instead of sc2 Why is that bad? SC2 is going to be happening at Redbull. Its good that MLG is running another game, it means they are going to do well that weekend. NA dota 2 is pretty fun, if slightly dumb. well considering sundance always bashes sc2 for high costs I am curious how much money they are going to spend to have a lot of top dota2 teams there to create viewership for mlg.Nothing is certain yet but form my point of view they need at least 10 teams to fill 3 days of content not to mention they have to convince top european and chinesse teams to come and spend money on airplanes,hotels etc(valve form what I know is not involved).Also incontrol debunked the myth that blizzard asks mlg for money to host sc2 so I really am curious to the financial underlay of having dota2 instead of sc2.that is all.You have to remember that at dreamhack when dota2 had high viewership there were a lot of top teams and the mlg scheduling in na is very bad for europeans and chinesse.Even people watching ti3 complained about time zone differences.they will have to rely solely on na viewership for the most part. It was a myth Incontrol started. We heard that from him first. And the rest is noise. MGL would have SC2 there if they could and they will have SC2 again, maybe right next to Dota 2 and LoL. And the world will continue to spin. You worry to much about who is watching what. It doesn't really matter for the viewers. There should be 2 question you ask your self. Is there Starcraft that weekend? Yes. What time is it on? Not known yet, but Redbull will fill us in.
true.you have a point.It would be also awsome to have the 3 major esports in na sc2,lol and dota2 at the same mlg, dremhack style.It would be awsome for the audience in the usa. Maybe even some wot would be nice. I heard the scene is developed.
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On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 11:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Drop SC2 for Dota/Lol maybe on that basis, but does say, CoD really do that well in terms of viewership? It's not really a 'no brainer' in that sense imo, more a hand has been forced in some way by the post-WCS era Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there. SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead. Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part. who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans. You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG. Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach. Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 12:20 Ryder. wrote:On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:On August 14 2013 11:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Drop SC2 for Dota/Lol maybe on that basis, but does say, CoD really do that well in terms of viewership? It's not really a 'no brainer' in that sense imo, more a hand has been forced in some way by the post-WCS era Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there. SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead. Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part. Dota 2 has double the view numbers on Twitch than SC2 atm and TI3 finished 2 days ago... Edit: There aren't even any tournaments or big name streamers online ATM either. I exaggerate in that Starcraft II stays ahead for probably the vast vast majority. During the day when most NA/Europeon pros stream, SC2 is huge. And counting daily tournaments on both sides Starcraft II attracts tens of thousands more. I guess making that post at midnight EST probably wasn't the best to drive home the point I was making, my bad.
7 hours later Dota 2 now has x4 more viewers...
I'm not sure what time period you are talking about but you definitely need to exaggerate less ^^
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