• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:18
CEST 17:18
KST 00:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting1Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th52Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Changing from 12 to 8 is just asking for StarCraft TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue
Brood War
General
VPN experiences Pros React To: ASL S21 Finals Every Matchup's Top 5 Winrates (all ASLs & KSLs) BW General Discussion Very long shot - StarCraft x A7X video
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Tiranga Gaming Color Prediction ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2056 users

No Starcraft 2 at MLG Columbus (so far) - Page 57

Forum Index > SC2 General
1123 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 55 56 57
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 14 2013 04:37 GMT
#1121
On August 14 2013 13:30 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 13:26 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:24 Plansix wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:47 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:29 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 11:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Drop SC2 for Dota/Lol maybe on that basis, but does say, CoD really do that well in terms of viewership? It's not really a 'no brainer' in that sense imo, more a hand has been forced in some way by the post-WCS era


Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there.

SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead.

Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part.


who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans.


You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG.

Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach.



the largest audience is when 2 well known foreigners are present or when it is foreigner vs korean.na teams have plenty of koreans on their rooster to send to mlg.And I think europeans hold more mlgs than na players.Nobody forces mlg to bring lesser known kespa players to eliminate the foreigners.Literally nobody asked for this.and if mlg isnt taking taking that aproach why are they complaining about numbers?lol


You must be new to the scene.

Back in the old days, MLG was just na players, starring the infrequent EU player.

Then hit MLG Columbus and we brought forth the top of the top Koreans and SC2 esports was born. Probably one of the biggest successes of all MLG's(although Anaheim this year and last are comparable, as well as the last MLG Dallas.)

Yeah we love top foreigners playing each other, but in the end it's about seeing the highest level play we can, which is spurred on by Koreans.

I don't know how much they still sponsor Koreans coming over, or if it is all team-based now, but they did.

There were a lot of factors to Columbus' success. Yeah, Koreans were a huge factor, but remember the "Korean vs Foreigner" selling point was entirely unique for that one tournament. Sure, there were plenty of Korean vs Foreigner matches before, but at a weekend LAN in North America? That was unheard of.

Not to mention IdrA's deep run, and his infamous matches against MC and MMA, amplified the effect.

Plus SC2, as a whole, was still growing at that point.

I honestly don't think an MLG that didn't pay for Korean plane-tickets would be nearly as bad as people propose. Sure, watching the best competition is always good, but there are plenty of venues for that, and I think being the only Open Bracket LAN now would add a lot of appeal.


That said, opinions don't really matter, MLG is the one making the call, and frankly we don't know any of the reasons behind this. Hell, we don't even know if SC2 is out completely or just at this one tournament.

Its not completely out according to MLGAdam who said they just backed off for this event due to the Redbull event. No reason to compete for viewers and players in the same area.


also sundance confirmed on reddit they are going to have a dota2 lan at mlg.probably we are going to see dota2 at mlg instead of sc2

Why is that bad? SC2 is going to be happening at Redbull. Its good that MLG is running another game, it means they are going to do well that weekend. NA dota 2 is pretty fun, if slightly dumb.


well considering sundance always bashes sc2 for high costs I am curious how much money they are going to spend to have a lot of top dota2 teams there to create viewership for mlg.Nothing is certain yet but form my point of view they need at least 10 teams to fill 3 days of content not to mention they have to convince top european and chinesse teams to come and spend money on airplanes,hotels etc(valve form what I know is not involved).Also incontrol debunked the myth that blizzard asks mlg for money to host sc2 so I really am curious to the financial underlay of having dota2 instead of sc2.that is all.You have to remember that at dreamhack when dota2 had high viewership there were a lot of top teams and the mlg scheduling in na is very bad for europeans and chinesse.Even people watching ti3 complained about time zone differences.they will have to rely solely on na viewership for the most part.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 14 2013 04:42 GMT
#1122
On August 14 2013 13:37 theking1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 13:30 Plansix wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:26 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:24 Plansix wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:47 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:29 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:
[quote]

Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there.

SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead.

Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part.


who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans.


You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG.

Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach.



the largest audience is when 2 well known foreigners are present or when it is foreigner vs korean.na teams have plenty of koreans on their rooster to send to mlg.And I think europeans hold more mlgs than na players.Nobody forces mlg to bring lesser known kespa players to eliminate the foreigners.Literally nobody asked for this.and if mlg isnt taking taking that aproach why are they complaining about numbers?lol


You must be new to the scene.

Back in the old days, MLG was just na players, starring the infrequent EU player.

Then hit MLG Columbus and we brought forth the top of the top Koreans and SC2 esports was born. Probably one of the biggest successes of all MLG's(although Anaheim this year and last are comparable, as well as the last MLG Dallas.)

Yeah we love top foreigners playing each other, but in the end it's about seeing the highest level play we can, which is spurred on by Koreans.

I don't know how much they still sponsor Koreans coming over, or if it is all team-based now, but they did.

There were a lot of factors to Columbus' success. Yeah, Koreans were a huge factor, but remember the "Korean vs Foreigner" selling point was entirely unique for that one tournament. Sure, there were plenty of Korean vs Foreigner matches before, but at a weekend LAN in North America? That was unheard of.

Not to mention IdrA's deep run, and his infamous matches against MC and MMA, amplified the effect.

Plus SC2, as a whole, was still growing at that point.

I honestly don't think an MLG that didn't pay for Korean plane-tickets would be nearly as bad as people propose. Sure, watching the best competition is always good, but there are plenty of venues for that, and I think being the only Open Bracket LAN now would add a lot of appeal.


That said, opinions don't really matter, MLG is the one making the call, and frankly we don't know any of the reasons behind this. Hell, we don't even know if SC2 is out completely or just at this one tournament.

Its not completely out according to MLGAdam who said they just backed off for this event due to the Redbull event. No reason to compete for viewers and players in the same area.


also sundance confirmed on reddit they are going to have a dota2 lan at mlg.probably we are going to see dota2 at mlg instead of sc2

Why is that bad? SC2 is going to be happening at Redbull. Its good that MLG is running another game, it means they are going to do well that weekend. NA dota 2 is pretty fun, if slightly dumb.


well considering sundance always bashes sc2 for high costs I am curious how much money they are going to spend to have a lot of top dota2 teams there to create viewership for mlg.Nothing is certain yet but form my point of view they need at least 10 teams to fill 3 days of content not to mention they have to convince top european and chinesse teams to come and spend money on airplanes,hotels etc(valve form what I know is not involved).Also incontrol debunked the myth that blizzard asks mlg for money to host sc2 so I really am curious to the financial underlay of having dota2 instead of sc2.that is all.You have to remember that at dreamhack when dota2 had high viewership there were a lot of top teams and the mlg scheduling in na is very bad for europeans and chinesse.Even people watching ti3 complained about time zone differences.they will have to rely solely on na viewership for the most part.

It was a myth Incontrol started. We heard that from him first. And the rest is noise. MGL would have SC2 there if they could and they will have SC2 again, maybe right next to Dota 2 and LoL. And the world will continue to spin.

You worry to much about who is watching what. It doesn't really matter for the viewers. There should be 2 question you ask your self. Is there Starcraft that weekend? Yes. What time is it on? Not known yet, but Redbull will fill us in.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 14 2013 04:48 GMT
#1123
On August 14 2013 13:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 13:37 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:30 Plansix wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:26 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:24 Plansix wrote:
On August 14 2013 13:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:47 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:29 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:
[quote]

who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans.


You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG.

Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach.



the largest audience is when 2 well known foreigners are present or when it is foreigner vs korean.na teams have plenty of koreans on their rooster to send to mlg.And I think europeans hold more mlgs than na players.Nobody forces mlg to bring lesser known kespa players to eliminate the foreigners.Literally nobody asked for this.and if mlg isnt taking taking that aproach why are they complaining about numbers?lol


You must be new to the scene.

Back in the old days, MLG was just na players, starring the infrequent EU player.

Then hit MLG Columbus and we brought forth the top of the top Koreans and SC2 esports was born. Probably one of the biggest successes of all MLG's(although Anaheim this year and last are comparable, as well as the last MLG Dallas.)

Yeah we love top foreigners playing each other, but in the end it's about seeing the highest level play we can, which is spurred on by Koreans.

I don't know how much they still sponsor Koreans coming over, or if it is all team-based now, but they did.

There were a lot of factors to Columbus' success. Yeah, Koreans were a huge factor, but remember the "Korean vs Foreigner" selling point was entirely unique for that one tournament. Sure, there were plenty of Korean vs Foreigner matches before, but at a weekend LAN in North America? That was unheard of.

Not to mention IdrA's deep run, and his infamous matches against MC and MMA, amplified the effect.

Plus SC2, as a whole, was still growing at that point.

I honestly don't think an MLG that didn't pay for Korean plane-tickets would be nearly as bad as people propose. Sure, watching the best competition is always good, but there are plenty of venues for that, and I think being the only Open Bracket LAN now would add a lot of appeal.


That said, opinions don't really matter, MLG is the one making the call, and frankly we don't know any of the reasons behind this. Hell, we don't even know if SC2 is out completely or just at this one tournament.

Its not completely out according to MLGAdam who said they just backed off for this event due to the Redbull event. No reason to compete for viewers and players in the same area.


also sundance confirmed on reddit they are going to have a dota2 lan at mlg.probably we are going to see dota2 at mlg instead of sc2

Why is that bad? SC2 is going to be happening at Redbull. Its good that MLG is running another game, it means they are going to do well that weekend. NA dota 2 is pretty fun, if slightly dumb.


well considering sundance always bashes sc2 for high costs I am curious how much money they are going to spend to have a lot of top dota2 teams there to create viewership for mlg.Nothing is certain yet but form my point of view they need at least 10 teams to fill 3 days of content not to mention they have to convince top european and chinesse teams to come and spend money on airplanes,hotels etc(valve form what I know is not involved).Also incontrol debunked the myth that blizzard asks mlg for money to host sc2 so I really am curious to the financial underlay of having dota2 instead of sc2.that is all.You have to remember that at dreamhack when dota2 had high viewership there were a lot of top teams and the mlg scheduling in na is very bad for europeans and chinesse.Even people watching ti3 complained about time zone differences.they will have to rely solely on na viewership for the most part.

It was a myth Incontrol started. We heard that from him first. And the rest is noise. MGL would have SC2 there if they could and they will have SC2 again, maybe right next to Dota 2 and LoL. And the world will continue to spin.

You worry to much about who is watching what. It doesn't really matter for the viewers. There should be 2 question you ask your self. Is there Starcraft that weekend? Yes. What time is it on? Not known yet, but Redbull will fill us in.


true.you have a point.It would be also awsome to have the 3 major esports in na sc2,lol and dota2 at the same mlg, dremhack style.It would be awsome for the audience in the usa. Maybe even some wot would be nice. I heard the scene is developed.
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 08:08:43
August 14 2013 08:08 GMT
#1124
On August 14 2013 12:21 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 12:18 theking1 wrote:
On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 11:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Drop SC2 for Dota/Lol maybe on that basis, but does say, CoD really do that well in terms of viewership? It's not really a 'no brainer' in that sense imo, more a hand has been forced in some way by the post-WCS era


Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there.

SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead.

Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part.


who forces them to pay for koreans?>do not bring koreans and let people form na and europe duke it w=out.The na scene flourishes and the viewership goes up and everybody profits.I really do not understand who forces them to bring koreans.


You need Koreans to attract a large audience, and Europeons traditionally don't intend MLG.

Of course they could try to attract them instead, as we saw WCS EU be a fucking huge success without Koreans, but MLG isn't taking that approach.

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 12:20 Ryder. wrote:
On August 14 2013 11:57 Pandain wrote:
On August 14 2013 11:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Drop SC2 for Dota/Lol maybe on that basis, but does say, CoD really do that well in terms of viewership? It's not really a 'no brainer' in that sense imo, more a hand has been forced in some way by the post-WCS era


Not even for Dota, and LoL was already there.

SC2 eclipses Dota 2 in viewers in any time that isn't TI3. Even with the pure Dota hype following probably the best-run E-sports even of all time, Starcraft 2 stays way ahead.

Someone else mentioned that paying for Koreans to come over as well as setting up is greatly expensive. I think that might be a key part.

Dota 2 has double the view numbers on Twitch than SC2 atm and TI3 finished 2 days ago...

Edit: There aren't even any tournaments or big name streamers online ATM either.


I exaggerate in that Starcraft II stays ahead for probably the vast vast majority. During the day when most NA/Europeon pros stream, SC2 is huge.

And counting daily tournaments on both sides Starcraft II attracts tens of thousands more.

I guess making that post at midnight EST probably wasn't the best to drive home the point I was making, my bad.

7 hours later Dota 2 now has x4 more viewers...

I'm not sure what time period you are talking about but you definitely need to exaggerate less ^^
Prev 1 55 56 57
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 707
RotterdaM 591
Rex 137
ProTech87
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2101
Horang2 1571
Jaedong 1272
EffOrt 1199
Mini 377
Light 372
BeSt 370
Soulkey 299
ggaemo 282
actioN 265
[ Show more ]
Rush 186
Zeus 172
Sharp 143
hero 74
Mong 71
Sexy 62
JYJ 53
ToSsGirL 41
sorry 37
Barracks 34
Sacsri 30
Terrorterran 20
soO 20
GoRush 17
Rock 17
ajuk12(nOOB) 6
Dota 2
qojqva1494
Counter-Strike
fl0m939
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor169
Other Games
singsing2849
hiko977
B2W.Neo833
Beastyqt429
DeMusliM194
Liquid`VortiX87
QueenE82
Mew2King64
XaKoH 64
KnowMe43
Trikslyr21
fpsfer 1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV823
ComeBackTV 622
Counter-Strike
PGL227
Other Games
BasetradeTV187
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 92
• Gemini_19 27
• poizon28 20
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• HappyZerGling38
League of Legends
• Nemesis3191
• Jankos2156
• TFBlade1170
Other Games
• WagamamaTV267
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
42m
Shino vs Scarlett
Bly vs DnS
Serral vs ByuN
RotterdaM591
Replay Cast
8h 42m
RSL Revival
15h 42m
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
19h 42m
IPSL
1d
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
BSL
1d 3h
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
1d 8h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Maestros of the Game
1d 21h
OSC
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Heroes Pulsing #2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.