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On August 09 2013 06:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:32 theking1 wrote:On August 09 2013 06:26 ACrow wrote:
Guys, I don't get the hate on TB. The man has done a TON for the scene. Genna and him funding a whole squad, Shoutcast NA etc. If he needs a break right now (he's been vocal about WCS and understandably frustrated) that's his decision - but, please, even if you disagree him or dislike his direct way of saying stuff or whatever, always remember what he's done for SC2. when sc2 was in a moment of despair with it being dropped by mlg and all sc2 personalities like day9 and artosis and incontrol were all over social media trying to calm the fans and find sollutions totalbicsuit wa son reddit anouncing he would drop sc2 casting entirely and now he is on a show saying he will switch to dota2.you do not hit a man while he is down just as you do not hit a game while it is down.this is like a woman marrying a man and the same day the guy loses his job she divorces him for the colleague that got the job instead of him.on the streets we call em golddiggers.and totalbiscuit showed his true colors today. This is not the first time he has said this, FYI. But it is bad news that there is no MLG and casting gigs for him. Maybe he can work something out with Redbull. I know you have super excited for you change to hate on TB, but he has a right to bitch. He has done more for the community than most and get nothing but hate about it. I listen when he says stuff, even if I don't totally agree.
this is the first time he posted a reddit post officially announcing he will not cast sc2 anymore.this is just one hour after the mlg announcement.also he mentioned having fun in dota not that he is about to switch over like he did on chanmans show right now.honestly i would not be surprised if he stops his involvement in axiom completly.He got his fair shere of free publicity.for a guy that does not care much about youtube playthroughs i know totalbiscuit from the sc2 scene not the other way around.
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On August 09 2013 06:41 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:36 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 06:32 theking1 wrote:On August 09 2013 06:26 ACrow wrote:
Guys, I don't get the hate on TB. The man has done a TON for the scene. Genna and him funding a whole squad, Shoutcast NA etc. If he needs a break right now (he's been vocal about WCS and understandably frustrated) that's his decision - but, please, even if you disagree him or dislike his direct way of saying stuff or whatever, always remember what he's done for SC2. when sc2 was in a moment of despair with it being dropped by mlg and all sc2 personalities like day9 and artosis and incontrol were all over social media trying to calm the fans and find sollutions totalbicsuit wa son reddit anouncing he would drop sc2 casting entirely and now he is on a show saying he will switch to dota2.you do not hit a man while he is down just as you do not hit a game while it is down.this is like a woman marrying a man and the same day the guy loses his job she divorces him for the colleague that got the job instead of him.on the streets we call em golddiggers.and totalbiscuit showed his true colors today. This is not the first time he has said this, FYI. But it is bad news that there is no MLG and casting gigs for him. Maybe he can work something out with Redbull. I know you have super excited for you change to hate on TB, but he has a right to bitch. He has done more for the community than most and get nothing but hate about it. I listen when he says stuff, even if I don't totally agree. this is the first time he posted a reddit post officially announcing he will not cast sc2 anymore.this is just one hour after the mlg announcement.also he mentioned having fun in dota not that he is about to switch over like he did on chanmans show right now.honestly i would not be surprised if he stops his involvement in axiom completly.He got his fair shere of free publicity.for a guy that does not care much about youtube playthroughs i know totalbiscuit from the sc2 scene not the other way around.
He did not post anything "officially announcing" he is leaving the scene or stoping casting. He is considering it because there are no new events. That is exactly what is says, considering. Stop making shit up so you can make your argument. The man is entitled to vent and you can disagree with him if you want, but don't just make shit up so you can say "I was right all along".
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On August 09 2013 06:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:41 theking1 wrote:On August 09 2013 06:36 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 06:32 theking1 wrote:On August 09 2013 06:26 ACrow wrote:
Guys, I don't get the hate on TB. The man has done a TON for the scene. Genna and him funding a whole squad, Shoutcast NA etc. If he needs a break right now (he's been vocal about WCS and understandably frustrated) that's his decision - but, please, even if you disagree him or dislike his direct way of saying stuff or whatever, always remember what he's done for SC2. when sc2 was in a moment of despair with it being dropped by mlg and all sc2 personalities like day9 and artosis and incontrol were all over social media trying to calm the fans and find sollutions totalbicsuit wa son reddit anouncing he would drop sc2 casting entirely and now he is on a show saying he will switch to dota2.you do not hit a man while he is down just as you do not hit a game while it is down.this is like a woman marrying a man and the same day the guy loses his job she divorces him for the colleague that got the job instead of him.on the streets we call em golddiggers.and totalbiscuit showed his true colors today. This is not the first time he has said this, FYI. But it is bad news that there is no MLG and casting gigs for him. Maybe he can work something out with Redbull. I know you have super excited for you change to hate on TB, but he has a right to bitch. He has done more for the community than most and get nothing but hate about it. I listen when he says stuff, even if I don't totally agree. this is the first time he posted a reddit post officially announcing he will not cast sc2 anymore.this is just one hour after the mlg announcement.also he mentioned having fun in dota not that he is about to switch over like he did on chanmans show right now.honestly i would not be surprised if he stops his involvement in axiom completly.He got his fair shere of free publicity.for a guy that does not care much about youtube playthroughs i know totalbiscuit from the sc2 scene not the other way around. He did not post anything "officially announcing" he is leaving the scene or stoping casting. He is considering it because there are no new events. That is exactly what is says, considering. Stop making shit up so you can make your argument. The man is entitled to vent and you can disagree with him if you want, but don't just make shit up so you can say "I was right all along".
But i was right all along.Me and many people.The only one making shit up is you.here are some totalbiscuit tweets.Enjoy.
I think it's not hard to guess at this point that I'm considering moving on from SC2 casting-wise. No events, no point.
SC2 has always been a money-sink for me but the reward was getting to cast live in front of an audience which I love doing the most
Obviously DOTA is an idea but I need to learn way more about it first, I had loads of fun with Quake, but I'd probably need to make an event
@BozzyUnlimited yeah and I'd be throwing money into a pit, why even bother
I've never understood the cancer that posts on forums "GOOD, WE WANT YOU TO LEAVE". Guy, I'm more likely to stay just to see you rage more
@ChanmanV @SirScoots @desRowfighting @kmicj maybe they don't like throwing sacks of cash into a black hole never to be seen again :[
@ChanmanV @SirScoots @desRowfighting @kmicj nobody watched playhem, that isn't going to change without a series paradigm shift
@ortzinator small minded weaklings. Supposed fans of their game actively trying to make it less successful. Hilarious really
Yeah man i know.wcs na doesnt get any viewers.playhem didnt get nay viewers.sc fans are weaklings cause they defend the game.Might go to dota2.sc2 is a blackhole for money.Nice way of prooting the game
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On August 09 2013 06:40 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. It is pretty depressing that the only 1v1 esport that is popular is declining now too, some of us just don't like team games.
If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2.
Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG.
HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it.
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On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days.
Honestly I wish someone would shake Blizzard up.
They literally haven´t done anything but a few minor changes since the release of the Heart of the Swarm. We would expect a major patch (2.1.) by now already. At the same time we don´t hear anything what Blizzard is planning with their franchise.
Overall the communication feels non-existent from Blizzard. It even feels like Blizzard is having hard time just keeping the game up and running since even the 4v4 ladder hasn´t been working for over a week after the last patch. The patch was supposed to fix the issue with 4v4 only to make it worse and make all games count as loss.
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On August 09 2013 06:50 Viserion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. Honestly I wish someone would shake Blizzard up. They literally haven´t done anything but a few minor changes since the release of the Heart of the Swarm. We would expect a major patch (2.1.) by now already. At the same time we don´t hear anything what Blizzard is planning with their franchise. Overall the communication feels non-existent from Blizzard. It even feels like Blizzard is having hard time just keeping the game up and running since even the 4v4 ladder hasn´t been working for over a week after the last patch. The patch was supposed to fix the issue with 4v4 only to make it worse and make all games count as loss.
Compared to WoW, Diablo 3, or their upcoming MMO, SC2 is so small and makes so little money that I'm surprised their giving it any attention at all tbh.
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On August 09 2013 06:50 DarkSpectre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:40 Esoterikk wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. It is pretty depressing that the only 1v1 esport that is popular is declining now too, some of us just don't like team games. If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2. Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG. HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it.
you do realize sc2 had more viewers at mlg than cod and all the other games.the only game that surpassed it was lol.mlg does not have any secret data.When i see sc2 have good streamnumbers and a packed house of people i know the game is successful.
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On August 09 2013 06:52 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:50 DarkSpectre wrote:On August 09 2013 06:40 Esoterikk wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. It is pretty depressing that the only 1v1 esport that is popular is declining now too, some of us just don't like team games. If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2. Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG. HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it. you do realize sc2 had more viewers at mlg than cod and all the other games.the only game that surpassed it was lol.mlg does not have any secret data.When i see sc2 have good streamnumbers and a packed house of people i know the game is successful.
MLG has to pay Blizzard to host SC2 so it doesn't matter if SC2 rakes in more viewers if it actually makes them less money than COD.
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On August 09 2013 06:52 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:50 Viserion wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. Honestly I wish someone would shake Blizzard up. They literally haven´t done anything but a few minor changes since the release of the Heart of the Swarm. We would expect a major patch (2.1.) by now already. At the same time we don´t hear anything what Blizzard is planning with their franchise. Overall the communication feels non-existent from Blizzard. It even feels like Blizzard is having hard time just keeping the game up and running since even the 4v4 ladder hasn´t been working for over a week after the last patch. The patch was supposed to fix the issue with 4v4 only to make it worse and make all games count as loss. Compared to WoW, Diablo 3, or their upcoming MMO, SC2 is so small and makes so little money that I'm surprised their giving it any attention at all tbh.
Yes but what makes LoL and DotA so popular is that their developers truely believe in what they do.
Blizzard doesn´t give me that gut feeling that they sincerely believe in Starcraft 2.
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On August 09 2013 06:52 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:50 Viserion wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. Honestly I wish someone would shake Blizzard up. They literally haven´t done anything but a few minor changes since the release of the Heart of the Swarm. We would expect a major patch (2.1.) by now already. At the same time we don´t hear anything what Blizzard is planning with their franchise. Overall the communication feels non-existent from Blizzard. It even feels like Blizzard is having hard time just keeping the game up and running since even the 4v4 ladder hasn´t been working for over a week after the last patch. The patch was supposed to fix the issue with 4v4 only to make it worse and make all games count as loss. Compared to WoW, Diablo 3, or their upcoming MMO, SC2 is so small and makes so little money that I'm surprised their giving it any attention at all tbh.
Well, they're not giving it that much.
The SC2 team is very small inside Blizzard.
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On August 09 2013 06:55 Viserion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:52 Rhaegal wrote:On August 09 2013 06:50 Viserion wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. Honestly I wish someone would shake Blizzard up. They literally haven´t done anything but a few minor changes since the release of the Heart of the Swarm. We would expect a major patch (2.1.) by now already. At the same time we don´t hear anything what Blizzard is planning with their franchise. Overall the communication feels non-existent from Blizzard. It even feels like Blizzard is having hard time just keeping the game up and running since even the 4v4 ladder hasn´t been working for over a week after the last patch. The patch was supposed to fix the issue with 4v4 only to make it worse and make all games count as loss. Compared to WoW, Diablo 3, or their upcoming MMO, SC2 is so small and makes so little money that I'm surprised their giving it any attention at all tbh. Yes but what makes LoL and DotA so popular is that their developers truely believe in what they do. Blizzard doesn´t give me that gut feeling that they sincerely believe in Starcraft 2.
Blizzard doesn't have to rely on esports, or base their living on a single game like Riot does. Why take a gamble on a game with a small player base, or into the esports world that still is not profitable or popular, when they can put money into games with guaranteed millions upon millions of players.
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On August 09 2013 06:54 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:52 theking1 wrote:On August 09 2013 06:50 DarkSpectre wrote:On August 09 2013 06:40 Esoterikk wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. It is pretty depressing that the only 1v1 esport that is popular is declining now too, some of us just don't like team games. If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2. Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG. HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it. you do realize sc2 had more viewers at mlg than cod and all the other games.the only game that surpassed it was lol.mlg does not have any secret data.When i see sc2 have good streamnumbers and a packed house of people i know the game is successful. MLG has to pay Blizzard to host SC2 so it doesn't matter if SC2 rakes in more viewers if it actually makes them less money than COD.
i generally think(but i am not sure about this) that mlg makes the majority of the money form ticketsales,sponsorships and stream views.I remember sundance saying something about this in a show.not sure about this though.I have seen incontrols post on reddit saying that lol and cod pay mlg but i am curious to know how much of mlgs total revenue is given by those games
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On August 09 2013 06:55 Viserion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:52 Rhaegal wrote:On August 09 2013 06:50 Viserion wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. Honestly I wish someone would shake Blizzard up. They literally haven´t done anything but a few minor changes since the release of the Heart of the Swarm. We would expect a major patch (2.1.) by now already. At the same time we don´t hear anything what Blizzard is planning with their franchise. Overall the communication feels non-existent from Blizzard. It even feels like Blizzard is having hard time just keeping the game up and running since even the 4v4 ladder hasn´t been working for over a week after the last patch. The patch was supposed to fix the issue with 4v4 only to make it worse and make all games count as loss. Compared to WoW, Diablo 3, or their upcoming MMO, SC2 is so small and makes so little money that I'm surprised their giving it any attention at all tbh. Yes but what makes LoL and DotA so popular is that their developers truely believe in what they do. Blizzard doesn´t give me that gut feeling that they sincerely believe in Starcraft 2.
Well it is true but not that they don't believe in Sc2.
LoL and Dota2 are f2p and have a ingame shop that profits the game.
Sc2 gets profit from game sales.
Blizzard have a totally different focus from day1 and eSport is it's 2nd goal.
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On August 09 2013 06:54 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:52 theking1 wrote:On August 09 2013 06:50 DarkSpectre wrote:On August 09 2013 06:40 Esoterikk wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. It is pretty depressing that the only 1v1 esport that is popular is declining now too, some of us just don't like team games. If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2. Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG. HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it. you do realize sc2 had more viewers at mlg than cod and all the other games.the only game that surpassed it was lol.mlg does not have any secret data.When i see sc2 have good streamnumbers and a packed house of people i know the game is successful. MLG has to pay Blizzard to host SC2 so it doesn't matter if SC2 rakes in more viewers if it actually makes them less money than COD.
can you link us to those numbers?
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On August 09 2013 06:55 Viserion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:52 Rhaegal wrote:On August 09 2013 06:50 Viserion wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. Honestly I wish someone would shake Blizzard up. They literally haven´t done anything but a few minor changes since the release of the Heart of the Swarm. We would expect a major patch (2.1.) by now already. At the same time we don´t hear anything what Blizzard is planning with their franchise. Overall the communication feels non-existent from Blizzard. It even feels like Blizzard is having hard time just keeping the game up and running since even the 4v4 ladder hasn´t been working for over a week after the last patch. The patch was supposed to fix the issue with 4v4 only to make it worse and make all games count as loss. Compared to WoW, Diablo 3, or their upcoming MMO, SC2 is so small and makes so little money that I'm surprised their giving it any attention at all tbh. Yes but what makes LoL and DotA so popular is that their developers truely believe in what they do. Blizzard doesn´t give me that gut feeling that they sincerely believe in Starcraft 2.
To be honest, I don't think Blizzard has ever believed in pushing E-Sports. Brood War was completely community driven to the point where maps had to be designed to achieve balance because Blizzard stopped supporting the game. WCS is the first real attempt by Blizzard to push the Starcraft II scene and so far it has been unsuccessful.
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On August 09 2013 07:01 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:54 BlackPanther wrote:On August 09 2013 06:52 theking1 wrote:On August 09 2013 06:50 DarkSpectre wrote:On August 09 2013 06:40 Esoterikk wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. It is pretty depressing that the only 1v1 esport that is popular is declining now too, some of us just don't like team games. If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2. Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG. HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it. you do realize sc2 had more viewers at mlg than cod and all the other games.the only game that surpassed it was lol.mlg does not have any secret data.When i see sc2 have good streamnumbers and a packed house of people i know the game is successful. MLG has to pay Blizzard to host SC2 so it doesn't matter if SC2 rakes in more viewers if it actually makes them less money than COD. can you link us to those numbers?
There are no numbers to link but it doesn't make sense for MLG to remove SC2 if it was making them money. Logically speaking, COD has to be making MLG more money than SC2.
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WCS basically took over the SC2 tournament scene, no other tournaments really matter anymore.
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On August 09 2013 06:52 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:50 DarkSpectre wrote:On August 09 2013 06:40 Esoterikk wrote:On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote:
It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. It is pretty depressing that the only 1v1 esport that is popular is declining now too, some of us just don't like team games. If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2. Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG. HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it. you do realize sc2 had more viewers at mlg than cod and all the other games.the only game that surpassed it was lol.mlg does not have any secret data.When i see sc2 have good streamnumbers and a packed house of people i know the game is successful.
I don't think SC2 will run our of viewers any time soon, the thing is that major sponsors and organizers will choose other games that are immensely more popular because why wouldn't they.
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Welp, it's not like I'm super surprised. When they actually have to pay money to have SC2 at their competitions instead of getting paid like they are for other titles (as Incontrol said), then it's probably bad for them. And while I think that it'snot the end of american sc2 competition, I'll surely miss MLG a lot (even if it has mostly been in the most uncomfortable time frames for me ._.).
Lets see what comes next, I still think they will do some kind of event for Starcraft in the next months.
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Considering how bad their "summer" event was (played during the spring then broadcasted from replays) I'm not surprised at all. I haven't watched any MLG content since the end of 2012 anyways I'm happy with only GSL content.
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