EPTI'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore.
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote: I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore. So is he. He is entitle to tell you that he feels you should leave. Sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but its true. | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:33 revel8 wrote: I thought insulting Players was against TL rules? Some folks need to get slapped down by the powers that be. Replying to pro-gamers with insults and attempts to belittle them and their achievement should be bannable because that is the exact sort of behaviour that makes pro-gamers post less here at TL. In other words, it reduces one of the most appealing things about the entire website, interaction with the pros. Since when is this disrespect tolerated? Master of Puppets is quite correct to call out these clowns who are giving Theognis shit. He said he quit just in time so technically hes not a pro anymore. | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
As long as the Korean scene exists I am more than ecstatic, as I prefer watching the best players, but I'm a little sad for the fans that enjoyed the foreign scene. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
Even if I'm the only person playing Starcraft vs. an AI opponent, I will have fun. Because it's my favourite game. I don't give a shit about "ESPORTS", "MLG" and other acronyms. If someone streams good games by good players, fine. I might watch them and I might even rant on internet forums. It's cool to have a scene, and it's even cooler to have progamers who can actually make money with SC2. But we're not basketball, and most likely we never will be. So please excuse me, but fuck drama. I'm tired of it. Oh no, our game is dying. Apparently, there are more than 300000 people playing at least one game per season. Looks very dead to me. The last MLG events were lackluster, anyway. It's not a big loss, especially when you start thinking about ways to actually develop a small (yet healthy) scene in NA. Maybe the Red Bull thing is a start to that. | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote: I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore. ti3 has nothing to do with mlg nor with the viewership.the dota2 scene has far less na dota2 temas than sc2 has players.and dota2 besides ti has never had sc2 viewership numbers in na.if giovanni wants to make a profit they have to fly over all the european teams and chinesse teams.which would cost a lot of money for less viewership than sc2.or they could make them pay dor a 3 day trip to the us which is quite expensive to say the least @dodger whic is true.mlg is not an esports platform its "the company that pays the most has its games at our tournament" thingy. @revel sc2 is the second most watched and attended esport in na and has been so for years.dota2 doesnt even have big lans in na besides the international3.good luck to giovanni trying to build a competitive dota2 scene in na.and cod despite having 10times sc2 player base never had sc2 stream numbers. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:01 dcsoda wrote: Or for IEM and Dreamhack to move in? MLG may have plenty to worry about if both those organizations make big pushes for NA events. Which would benefit the viewers all around I think. I think both you dcsoda and Tyrian are missing a key point here. MLG is dropping SC2. They are doing this for a reason. Money. If they could make money by including SC2 in MLG they would. The fact that they are not having SC2 is a clear signal that MLG don't think it is worthwhile financially to have SC2 at their tournament. It is surely the case that MLG have calculated that having another game instead of SC2 would be more profitable. If this is the case, then any up and coming tournament organiser would also draw the same conclusion - having another game would be more profitable than SC2. Such a situation does not bode well for the future of SC2 tournaments in NA. Tournaments are run to make money, if they don't they do not continue. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:41 Rhaegal wrote: KeSPA will buy out all of the eSF teams/players in October, and then will never go to foreign events. This was inevitable. As long as the Korean scene exists I am more than ecstatic, as I prefer watching the best players, but I'm a little sad for the fans that enjoyed the foreign scene. You have a source there for your facts ? ^^ I serieusly doubt KeSPA has any intrest in the majority of the teams and players. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
Let me know when any of you can do better. Most of us do way better in the areas we are professionals in. It's rather obvious, we don't need to leave our occupations and search for something else to do. | ||
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Ambre
France416 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote: I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_entitled_to_my_opinion Yeah, everybody has the right to be stupid and saying dumb stuff. Been on the thread 10 sec to have a good laugh. Now I am leaving  | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:40 Strela wrote: He said he quit just in time so technically hes not a pro anymore. Shit-talking to ex-pros is still bannable. Technically you are still being a douche to someone that posters on TL should respect. | ||
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TXRaunchy
United States131 Posts
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FluffyBinLaden
United States527 Posts
 While I know the scene is rather saturated, and I know we're not MLG's flagship game anymore, and WCS has had some really adverse effects in a couple of ways, I had hoped to be able to get to a LAN at some point soon. Thanks for all the work you've put into our scene, MLG, I hope you guys can come back soon. <3 | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:47 revel8 wrote: Shit-talking to ex-pros is still bannable. Technically you are still being a douche to someone that posters on TL should respect. Yea well imo, people should respect everyone who is a member of the community here and that shouldn't be a right just towards pro's. you might think its ok to only respect pros and shit on everyone else but thats not the right way to go imo. | ||
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
I remember their pathetic rule (do not know if it is still used) that says that everyone who hosts a tournament with more that 5k or something in prize money has to pay a fee. Basically they ask too much recognition and, are too costly and want to have a finger in every corner of the competitive sc2 scene. The price of sc2 is too high and that certainly doesn't help in bringing new players to the game. If they don't change it soon they won't be able to compete with LoL and Dota2. | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:42 revel8 wrote: I think both you dcsoda and Tyrian are missing a key point here. MLG is dropping SC2. They are doing this for a reason. Money. If they could make money by including SC2 in MLG they would. The fact that they are not having SC2 is a clear signal that MLG don't think it is worthwhile financially to have SC2 at their tournament. It is surely the case that MLG have calculated that having another game instead of SC2 would be more profitable. If this is the case, then any up and coming tournament organiser would also draw the same conclusion - having another game would be more profitable than SC2. Such a situation does not bode well for the future of SC2 tournaments in NA. Tournaments are run to make money, if they don't they do not continue. Considering you have zero proof that money is the reason this is happening for MLG Columbus, you'll excuse me while I wait for some actual information to draw that conclusion. | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:52 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote: I am repeating. This is probably because of way Blizzard handles sc2. They had a scuffle with Kespa, something is going on behind the curtain with MLG and so on. I remember their pathetic rule (do not know if it is still used) that says that everyone who hosts a tournament with more that 5k or something in prize money has to pay a fee. Basically they ask too much recognition and, are too costly and want to have a finger in every corner of the competitive sc2 scene. The price of sc2 is too high and that certainly doesn't help in bringing new players to the game. If they don't change it soon they won't be able to compete with LoL and Dota2. Think that's too late already anyways. We are just of a way smaller size than those games it seems. | ||
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:54 dcsoda wrote: Considering you have zero proof that money is the reason this is happening for MLG Columbus, you'll excuse me while I wait for some actual information to draw that conclusion. Would you like to put forward a single alternative motivation? Humor us? | ||
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volumac
United Kingdom6 Posts
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:57 Lumi wrote: Would you like to put forward a single alternative motivation? Humor us? Many people have said in this thread that scheduling problems with IEM New York and the Blizzcon finals being so close around it could have been a sticking point. Happy? | ||
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