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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 20:02:25
August 08 2013 20:02 GMT
#561
wrong thread wtf
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 20:05:06
August 08 2013 20:04 GMT
#562
On August 09 2013 05:01 dcsoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:57 Lumi wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:54 dcsoda wrote:
Considering you have zero proof that money is the reason this is happening for MLG Columbus, you'll excuse me while I wait for some actual information to draw that conclusion.


Would you like to put forward a single alternative motivation? Humor us?


Many people have said in this thread that scheduling problems with IEM New York and the Blizzcon finals being so close around it could have been a sticking point. Happy?


Schedule too close make less notable players to come, so the competition is not high, then we have less viewers, which results into less money for MLG. Money is always the reason for corporate actions.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
August 08 2013 20:05 GMT
#563
On August 09 2013 04:54 dcsoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:42 revel8 wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:01 dcsoda wrote:
On August 09 2013 03:58 TyrianSC2 wrote:
There's been a fair bit of speculation on the 'NA e-Sports scene' over the last while with the dynamic changes over at WCS NA, FXONA's disbanding, other teams struggling, Totalbiscuit's potential withdrawal from SC2, retiring players and a larger umbrella issue of finding time for major events on top of a year-long WCS production schedule. Maybe I'm missing some points or exaggerating others, I'm not 100% in on the details of the scene, but it seems to me that following this announcement is a very ripe opportunity for an up-and-coming tournament organizer to materialize and make a name for themselves.

I wouldn't mind seeing something new jump out onto the top of the scene, it'd be nice.


Or for IEM and Dreamhack to move in? MLG may have plenty to worry about if both those organizations make big pushes for NA events. Which would benefit the viewers all around I think.



I think both you dcsoda and Tyrian are missing a key point here. MLG is dropping SC2. They are doing this for a reason. Money. If they could make money by including SC2 in MLG they would. The fact that they are not having SC2 is a clear signal that MLG don't think it is worthwhile financially to have SC2 at their tournament. It is surely the case that MLG have calculated that having another game instead of SC2 would be more profitable. If this is the case, then any up and coming tournament organiser would also draw the same conclusion - having another game would be more profitable than SC2. Such a situation does not bode well for the future of SC2 tournaments in NA. Tournaments are run to make money, if they don't they do not continue.


Considering you have zero proof that money is the reason this is happening for MLG Columbus, you'll excuse me while I wait for some actual information to draw that conclusion.


Zero proof? I know that
a) MLG is a business
b) business exist to make money
c) the decision to omit SC2 from MLG Columbus was a business decision
d) business decisions are determined by the bottom line also known as profit factor.

Now you may think MLG just decided to omit SC2 because they just couldn't be arsed, but I'll go out on a limb and say it was for business reasons.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
August 08 2013 20:07 GMT
#564
On August 09 2013 05:05 revel8 wrote:
Zero proof? I know that
a) MLG is a business
b) business exist to make money
c) the decision to omit SC2 from MLG Columbus was a business decision
d) business decisions are determined by the bottom line also known as profit factor.

Now you may think MLG just decided to omit SC2 because they just couldn't be arsed, but I'll go out on a limb and say it was for business reasons.


You'll have to excuse dcsoda while he passively aggressively boosts his own ego by thinking that other people are making mistakes as intellectuals, for daring to intuit and, together, through conversation, to figure out the world around them. He seems to think there is something intellectually respectable about sitting around and waiting on a 'trusted' source of information to tell him what his reality is.
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
August 08 2013 20:09 GMT
#565
Finally, MLG showing their true colors. They've been fucking the NA scene over for 3 years but covering themselves with half-apologies and good-ole boy winks. It would be MLG that took away the only real chance for NA pros to show themselves in a legit LAN environment. Not that it matters much - MLG had already sacrificed the NA pros' careers on the KESPA altar what, 2 years ago now?

I dunno how Blizzard is at blame for this though. MLG is the company that has routinely shown that they will fuck over the NA scene if they can get even a few more dollars out of it.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
August 08 2013 20:09 GMT
#566
On August 09 2013 04:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:34 murphs wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:21 SupLilSon wrote:
Meh, SC2 is on the way out and other eSports titles are on the rise... not surprised.


Just go away.


I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore.

So is he. He is entitle to tell you that he feels you should leave. Sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but its true.


Yup he is, but we shouldn't leave.

TL will become a site for another game after, and this is a very mature community. They already got their DoTA2 switch on the way.

Pretty sad that SC2 has been a terrible successor to BW.. Blizzard has a phenomenal legacy to respect, and just like Diablo they shat on it.. just not as much

SC2 is still an ok game, but it is a terrible game to watch. Just admit it.. I for one stopped watching it around the HoTS turnaround, and I've been very happy with LoL. I just can't wait for this community to be done with this denial, and to just move on.
Dead game.
dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
August 08 2013 20:10 GMT
#567
On August 09 2013 05:07 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 05:05 revel8 wrote:
Zero proof? I know that
a) MLG is a business
b) business exist to make money
c) the decision to omit SC2 from MLG Columbus was a business decision
d) business decisions are determined by the bottom line also known as profit factor.

Now you may think MLG just decided to omit SC2 because they just couldn't be arsed, but I'll go out on a limb and say it was for business reasons.


You'll have to excuse dcsoda while he passively aggressively boosts his own ego by thinking that other people are making mistakes as intellectuals, for daring to intuit and, together, through conversation, to figure out the world around them. He seems to think there is something intellectually respectable about sitting around and waiting on a 'trusted' source of information to tell him what his reality is.


Lol
Rafterman
Profile Joined July 2013
United States4 Posts
August 08 2013 20:10 GMT
#568
Well I was making big plans to travel to Colombus for this, but if it's true MLG will be losing my business completely.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2013 20:11 GMT
#569
On August 09 2013 05:09 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:34 murphs wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:21 SupLilSon wrote:
Meh, SC2 is on the way out and other eSports titles are on the rise... not surprised.


Just go away.


I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore.

So is he. He is entitle to tell you that he feels you should leave. Sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but its true.


Yup he is, but we shouldn't leave.

TL will become a site for another game after, and this is a very mature community. They already got their DoTA2 switch on the way.

Pretty sad that SC2 has been a terrible successor to BW.. Blizzard has a phenomenal legacy to respect, and just like Diablo they shat on it.. just not as much

SC2 is still an ok game, but it is a terrible game to watch. Just admit it.. I for one stopped watching it around the HoTS turnaround, and I've been very happy with LoL. I just can't wait for this community to be done with this denial, and to just move on.

Well you can and we will catch up. Really, we will be there soon. Don't wait up though, just go and we will catch up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
August 08 2013 20:11 GMT
#570
On August 09 2013 05:09 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:34 murphs wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:21 SupLilSon wrote:
Meh, SC2 is on the way out and other eSports titles are on the rise... not surprised.


Just go away.


I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore.

So is he. He is entitle to tell you that he feels you should leave. Sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but its true.


Yup he is, but we shouldn't leave.

TL will become a site for another game after, and this is a very mature community. They already got their DoTA2 switch on the way.

Pretty sad that SC2 has been a terrible successor to BW.. Blizzard has a phenomenal legacy to respect, and just like Diablo they shat on it.. just not as much

SC2 is still an ok game, but it is a terrible game to watch. Just admit it.. I for one stopped watching it around the HoTS turnaround, and I've been very happy with LoL. I just can't wait for this community to be done with this denial, and to just move on.


As long as there is OSL / SPL SC2 will still be awesome. And LoL has stagnated while Dota 2 is growing, I think that will be the esport of the future.
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2013 20:14 GMT
#571
On August 09 2013 05:11 Rhaegal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 05:09 Patate wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:34 murphs wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:21 SupLilSon wrote:
Meh, SC2 is on the way out and other eSports titles are on the rise... not surprised.


Just go away.


I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore.

So is he. He is entitle to tell you that he feels you should leave. Sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but its true.


Yup he is, but we shouldn't leave.

TL will become a site for another game after, and this is a very mature community. They already got their DoTA2 switch on the way.

Pretty sad that SC2 has been a terrible successor to BW.. Blizzard has a phenomenal legacy to respect, and just like Diablo they shat on it.. just not as much

SC2 is still an ok game, but it is a terrible game to watch. Just admit it.. I for one stopped watching it around the HoTS turnaround, and I've been very happy with LoL. I just can't wait for this community to be done with this denial, and to just move on.


As long as there is OSL / SPL SC2 will still be awesome. And LoL has stagnated while Dota 2 is growing, I think that will be the esport of the future.

I am going to enjoy the LoL is dying threads. Dota 2 is king follow by the then the Dota 2 is dying threads. Maybe after that, we can all stop and learn that maybe none of them are dying.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 08 2013 20:14 GMT
#572
On August 09 2013 05:09 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:34 murphs wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:21 SupLilSon wrote:
Meh, SC2 is on the way out and other eSports titles are on the rise... not surprised.


Just go away.


I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore.

So is he. He is entitle to tell you that he feels you should leave. Sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but its true.


Yup he is, but we shouldn't leave.

TL will become a site for another game after, and this is a very mature community. They already got their DoTA2 switch on the way.

Pretty sad that SC2 has been a terrible successor to BW.. Blizzard has a phenomenal legacy to respect, and just like Diablo they shat on it.. just not as much

SC2 is still an ok game, but it is a terrible game to watch. Just admit it.. I for one stopped watching it around the HoTS turnaround, and I've been very happy with LoL. I just can't wait for this community to be done with this denial, and to just move on.

How about posting that in the Dota or Lol section. As you correctly noted, these forums are already present. Why come here in a forum of people that still care about SC2 (and might think of it as a worthy successor to BW like I do) and shit on it? 'cause, that's trolling and generally being a jerk, you know...
Get off my lawn, young punks
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
August 08 2013 20:16 GMT
#573
On August 09 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 05:11 Rhaegal wrote:
On August 09 2013 05:09 Patate wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:38 SupLilSon wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:34 murphs wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:21 SupLilSon wrote:
Meh, SC2 is on the way out and other eSports titles are on the rise... not surprised.


Just go away.


I'm entitled to my opinions, sorry if they don't make you happy. Valve and TI3 are blowing Blizz, WCS and SC2 out of the water and then there's still the behemoth Riot/LoL. The truth is SC2 hasn't been the flagship eSports title for a while and HotS did little to remedy that. I'm sure someone's gonna say it's not a competition between games, which is partially true, but then no one should be surprised that certain games just don't make the cut anymore.

So is he. He is entitle to tell you that he feels you should leave. Sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but its true.


Yup he is, but we shouldn't leave.

TL will become a site for another game after, and this is a very mature community. They already got their DoTA2 switch on the way.

Pretty sad that SC2 has been a terrible successor to BW.. Blizzard has a phenomenal legacy to respect, and just like Diablo they shat on it.. just not as much

SC2 is still an ok game, but it is a terrible game to watch. Just admit it.. I for one stopped watching it around the HoTS turnaround, and I've been very happy with LoL. I just can't wait for this community to be done with this denial, and to just move on.


As long as there is OSL / SPL SC2 will still be awesome. And LoL has stagnated while Dota 2 is growing, I think that will be the esport of the future.

I am going to enjoy the LoL is dying threads. Dota 2 is king follow by the then the Dota 2 is dying threads. Maybe after that, we can all stop and learn that maybe none of them are dying.

Or all of them are dying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Noooo the fragile garden that is eSportS is withering away before my eyes : (((((.

FWIW, this is kinda new territory so who knows, lol.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
lowreeezy
Profile Joined July 2013
United States5 Posts
August 08 2013 20:29 GMT
#574
On August 08 2013 22:15 Waxangel wrote:
man you can't shit on MLG for announcing Anahiem details late and then shit on them now for giving you information on Columbus early


Actually we can and we should.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2013 20:31 GMT
#575
On August 09 2013 05:29 lowreeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:15 Waxangel wrote:
man you can't shit on MLG for announcing Anahiem details late and then shit on them now for giving you information on Columbus early


Actually we can and we should.

No, you shouldn't, unless you just want to bitch for the sake of it. You get what you ask for. You want early information, so you get it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 20:32:15
August 08 2013 20:31 GMT
#576
MLG outgrew SC2

#SUPPORTMLGESPORTS
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
August 08 2013 20:33 GMT
#577
On August 09 2013 05:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 05:29 lowreeezy wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:15 Waxangel wrote:
man you can't shit on MLG for announcing Anahiem details late and then shit on them now for giving you information on Columbus early


Actually we can and we should.

No, you shouldn't, unless you just want to bitch for the sake of it. You get what you ask for. You want early information, so you get it.


People certainly should get vocal if they want to see SC2 at MLG Columbus.
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 20:35:56
August 08 2013 20:35 GMT
#578
On August 09 2013 05:31 Torte de Lini wrote:
MLG outgrew SC2

#SUPPORTMLGESPORTS


sc2 is still their second most watched game.and besides the international dota2 does not have a succesfull na lan scene.and cod never beat sc2 viewership numbers despite having a higher playerbase.and mlg is business,we are talking bout the same dudes who had world of warcraft as a main esport title back when bw was rocking korea and europe as all into wc3.


Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2013 20:36 GMT
#579
On August 09 2013 05:33 Kambing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 05:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 09 2013 05:29 lowreeezy wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:15 Waxangel wrote:
man you can't shit on MLG for announcing Anahiem details late and then shit on them now for giving you information on Columbus early


Actually we can and we should.

No, you shouldn't, unless you just want to bitch for the sake of it. You get what you ask for. You want early information, so you get it.


People certainly should get vocal if they want to see SC2 at MLG Columbus.

This I agree with 100%. If you want to see SC2 there, let them know. But dont' whine because they told people in advance that is won't be at this time.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
August 08 2013 20:36 GMT
#580
Releasing the news early is better for the fans, because they haven't paid for tickets/flight/accommodation. While the news itself is not good, receiving it ahead of time IS good for the reasons above.
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