Too many people have bought into Artosis' delusion that Starcraft is some timeless, intrinsically superior form of entertainment like chess (and we all know how long chess has been around right?) that will never die.
It isn't.
Time passes, people get bored and move on to new games. This isn't football or basketball or soccer. Unlike the human body, computer hardware is rapidly and constantly improving and with it the games played on it also evolve and improve. Let your personal enjoyment of SC2 be enough.
Pretty much this.
Esports sustainability will always be a genre thing in my mind. RTS players will RTS, FPS will FPS, fighters will fight and so on, but the games will always change with time. We already see it with war3/bw/sc2, with FGC members playing multiple games, etc etc.
Esports careers are just so short as the norm nowadays that there aren't that many people who do transition from game to game yet.
Too many people have bought into Artosis' delusion that Starcraft is some timeless, intrinsically superior form of entertainment like chess (and we all know how long chess has been around right?) that will never die.
It isn't.
Time passes, people get bored and move on to new games. This isn't football or basketball or soccer. Unlike the human body, computer hardware is rapidly and constantly improving and with it the games played on it also evolve and improve. Let your personal enjoyment of SC2 be enough.
Pretty much this.
Esports sustainability will always be a genre thing in my mind. RTS players will RTS, FPS will FPS, fighters will fight and so on, but the games will always change with time. We already see it with war3/bw/sc2, with FGC members playing multiple games, etc etc.
Esports careers are just so short as the norm nowadays that there aren't that many people who do transition from game to game yet.
Aren't that many who transition from game to game? What? Every FGC pro even the 09'ers have transitioned from game to game. All the BW pros who switched to SC2. All the WC3 pros who switched to SC2. All the quake pros who went through various iterations of Quake before settling on QuakeLive. The FPS pros who switched from 1.6 to source to GO or whatever the latest COD title is.
There will always be those who hang back on previous games but to say that there aren't many people who transition from game to game is hilariously out of touch.
edit: how could I forget all the Dota pros who switched to Dota 2 or LoL or Hon. also editing "player" to "pro" for better clarity.
MLG is irrelevant in the SC2 scene now, after messing up WCS qualifiers and being replaced by the NASL team. Back to trying to turn CoD into a national past time?
Really I see this less as 'zomg sc2 is dead esports gg' and more that SC2 has outgrown the large, grassroots spectacles that MLG built its brand on.
Too many people have bought into Artosis' delusion that Starcraft is some timeless, intrinsically superior form of entertainment like chess (and we all know how long chess has been around right?) that will never die.
It isn't.
Time passes, people get bored and move on to new games. This isn't football or basketball or soccer. Unlike the human body, computer hardware is rapidly and constantly improving and with it the games played on it also evolve and improve. Let your personal enjoyment of SC2 be enough.
Pretty much this.
Esports sustainability will always be a genre thing in my mind. RTS players will RTS, FPS will FPS, fighters will fight and so on, but the games will always change with time. We already see it with war3/bw/sc2, with FGC members playing multiple games, etc etc.
Esports careers are just so short as the norm nowadays that there aren't that many people who do transition from game to game yet.
Aren't that many who transition from game to game? What? Every FGC pro even the 09'ers have transitioned from game to game. All the BW pros who switched to SC2. All the WC3 pros who switched to SC2. All the quake pros who went through various iterations of Quake before settling on QuakeLive. The FPS pros who switched from 1.6 to source to GO or whatever the latest COD title is.
There will always be those who hang back on previous games but to say that there aren't many people who transition from game to game is hilariously out of touch.
edit: how could I forget all the Dota pros who switched to Dota 2 or LoL or Hon. also editing "player" to "pro" for better clarity.
You are 100% incorrect about FPS games.
There are currently more people playing 1.6 than either Source or GO. There are also very significant active communities for both QuakeWorld and CPMA (and probably for Q2 and Q4 as well) existing right alongside Quake Live.
Sorry but I can't let you spread misinformation like that. And please don't compare skill-based games like CS and Quake to COD, it makes you look like a complete and utter fool.
On August 08 2013 22:11 InsanityUK wrote: I think if they had something else planned then he wouldn't have phrased it that way but you never know.
Not necessarily. MLG likes hype, so having the community already stirred up and thinking about MLG before they make their new announcement could be good for them.
By potentially bringing out the people who pitchfork at every announcement... idk man
Any press is good press.
said nobody ever.
The fact that people specifically use that idea to promote products/business/whatever would indicate the contrary.
It's true to some extend but to say that any press is good press is just false from a literal sense . There's countless of examples where negative press have been harmful, there's really no debate there.
It's pointless of course to say that no one ever said that though, there isn't anything to debate though.
Too many people have bought into Artosis' delusion that Starcraft is some timeless, intrinsically superior form of entertainment like chess (and we all know how long chess has been around right?) that will never die.
It isn't.
Time passes, people get bored and move on to new games. This isn't football or basketball or soccer. Unlike the human body, computer hardware is rapidly and constantly improving and with it the games played on it also evolve and improve. Let your personal enjoyment of SC2 be enough.
Pretty much this.
Esports sustainability will always be a genre thing in my mind. RTS players will RTS, FPS will FPS, fighters will fight and so on, but the games will always change with time. We already see it with war3/bw/sc2, with FGC members playing multiple games, etc etc.
Esports careers are just so short as the norm nowadays that there aren't that many people who do transition from game to game yet.
Aren't that many who transition from game to game? What? Every FGC pro even the 09'ers have transitioned from game to game. All the BW pros who switched to SC2. All the WC3 pros who switched to SC2. All the quake pros who went through various iterations of Quake before settling on QuakeLive. The FPS pros who switched from 1.6 to source to GO or whatever the latest COD title is.
There will always be those who hang back on previous games but to say that there aren't many people who transition from game to game is hilariously out of touch.
edit: how could I forget all the Dota pros who switched to Dota 2 or LoL or Hon. also editing "player" to "pro" for better clarity.
You are 100% incorrect about FPS games.
There are currently more people playing 1.6 than either Source or GO. There are also very significant active communities for both QuakeWorld and CPMA (and probably for Q2 and Q4 as well) existing right alongside Quake Live.
Sorry but I can't let you spread misinformation like that. And please don't compare skill-based games like CS and Quake to COD, it makes you look like a complete and utter fool.
There are more people playing 1.6. I am talking about pros and pro teams. I also pointed out that people hang back. People still play broodwar. I am talking about active competitive and sponsored scenes and the fact that players do indeed switch through games. Not about player numbers or the fact that QuakeWorld still has an active community.
edit: I didn't make any comparison between COD and CS. I was just pointing out all the games that have had various iterations where professional players have moved from one game to the next. Don't go all fanboi on me.
Twitter is bullshit and people should have abandoned that already its 2013. I have never had a better feeling about a SC2 pro or personality from a Tweet. Have you? They always come off as whiny bitches to me. TotalBiscuit meant well but his tweets really just stirred up the beesnest. =/ "If there isn't a SC2 at this event, the scene is DEAD and I retire!"
Sundance should not have even mentioned it on Twitter. He should have created a website and conspicuously left out SC2 and made a small press release saying a few words about how the current marketplace did not justify a SC2 event in Columbus but please stay tuned for future events.
That would have been a drama free way. You just can't run a professional business on Twitter. Just stahp.
Honestly, speaking from my heart, I have been watching 1.5 years and can barely keep my attention on the screen. No matter how you dress it up, SC2 is just becoming boring to me. If I keep a stream on its usually like radio, I read TL or news while its on in the background.
When its about the people I love like Grubby, I love the game again. That to me is why I watch SC2 to see the people who grow up with me succeed. That was one of my favorite moments seeing Grubby's face after winning.
I don't care about "high-level" games anymore, they usually just disappoint. We get the best Koreans in the world, they usually just cheese each other for 3 of 5 games. Maybe 4 of 5. I stayed up to watch Innovation vs. Maru. I got 3 straight cheeses. Don't feel like another 4AM bender just for that again. I just feel like for the most part I have seen it all now.
When Stephano retired it felt like a metaphor for the game and the foreigner scene. We love it but its becoming less passionate and washed up, it can still show us great plays but they are becoming few and far between and HoTS killed it.
I felt like this week was the week when SC2 retired from the US scene.
On August 09 2013 03:27 DeathProfessor wrote: Twitter is bullshit and people should have abandoned that already its 2013. I have never had a better feeling about a SC2 pro or personality from a Tweet. Have you? They always come off as whiny bitches to me. TotalBiscuit meant well but his tweets really just stirred up the beesnest. =/ "If there isn't a SC2 at this event, the scene is DEAD and I retire!"
Sundance should not have even mentioned it on Twitter. He should have created a website and conspicuously left out SC2 and made a small press release saying a few words about how the current marketplace did not justify a SC2 event in Columbus but please stay tuned for future events.
That would have been a drama free way. You just can't run a professional business on Twitter. Just stahp.
Honestly, speaking from my heart, I have been watching 1.5 years and can barely keep my attention on the screen. No matter how you dress it up, SC2 is just becoming boring to me. If I keep a stream on its usually like radio, I read TL or news while its on in the background.
When its about the people I love like Grubby, I love the game again. That to me is why I watch SC2 to see the people who grow up with me succeed. That was one of my favorite moments seeing Grubby's face after winning.
I don't care about "high-level" games anymore, they usually just disappoint. We get the best Koreans in the world, they usually just cheese each other for 3 of 5 games. Maybe 4 of 5. I stayed up to watch Innovation vs. Maru. I got 3 straight cheeses. Don't feel like another 4AM bender just for that again. I just feel like for the most part I have seen it all now.
When Stephano retired it felt like a metaphor for the game and the foreigner scene. We love it but its becoming less passionate and washed up, it can still show us great plays but they are becoming few and far between and HoTS killed it.
I felt like this week was the week when SC2 retired from the US scene.
How on earth is this HOTS fault? The expansion has made the game SO much more enjoyable to watch and we are seeing much better games than the last year and a half. Don't confuse your burn out with the game getting worse. It isn't.
They probably just ran out of money for this year. I’m guessing they do a budget every year for each cirut on how much money they can spend on each game. According to Total Biscuit MLG lost allot with running WCS and that resulted to the last event being delayed. They probably used up the Columbus money to run the last event. Also they are probally under a NDA since they cant say the reason for the drop. So its something on the business side.
Meanwhile we have a Dremhack increasing event and doing one in Russia plus Canada. IEM doing one event in Newyork and Redbull hinting something for NA players. i think we are fine and we will se a sc2 event from mlg next year.
EPT
next is dreamhack and IEM!!
