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On July 23 2013 05:34 Sc1pio wrote: Man Blizzard is going to look dumb when TI3 gets several times the viewers of their event...
The International happens once a year, its expected to get more viewers. No one is going to look dumb. Now if the Blizzcon finals were at the same time as The International now that would be a problem...
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Well while Blizz kills their own league idea I'll be enjoying TI3
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On July 23 2013 05:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 05:25 Uracil wrote: Fine for me since i don't follow Dota at all. EU Korea on the same weekend is a bit sad but i guess they couldn't avoid it. Yeah, I wonder what else is going on that is prevent them from doing it other weekends. There might be issues with the production crews for NASL and ESL. They do have other Esports they work on that are not SC2. Well i assume the grand slam will be at Gamescom which is 22.-25 August. So i don't think they can do it on the 17.-18. because the distance to the finals would be to short. And we haven't progressed far enough to hold it a week earlier.
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Kinda a lame date for the tournaments. Should honestly spread it out.
But, we're one step closer to getting more info for the season finals!
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By the time WCS AM comes on that weekend, nobody will even give a damn anymore. I expect a lower amount of viewers than last time even, viewing fatigue should be extremely big.
Even if you don't care about DotA, scheduling all the regional events on top of each other is terrible.
Blizzard wants to establish a viewer base for the regional tournaments in that respective region first and foremost, but they should bloody well accept that esports doesn't work that way at the moment.
Not even mentioning Twitch. Half of the viewers will have lag problems unless Twitch has doubled the size and amount of their data centers or whatever without anyone noticing.
I expected bad things from Blizzard, but this blows all my expectations out of the water. One of the dumbest ideas they could have had.
Hang in there, OGN/ESL/NASL. Maybe one day they'll learn. After this announcement, I don't really believe it myself anymore.
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On July 23 2013 05:35 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 05:29 teapoted wrote:On July 23 2013 05:20 Canucklehead wrote: Horrible idea by blizzard. Have they never heard of viewer fatigue? I mean there's only so much sc2 a person can watch in one day. The dota 2 overlap seems intentional since that date has been known forever. Blizz probably just doesn't like valve over dota 2 and that whole lawsuit they had going with them.
On another note - No wonder bitter has been doing the redbull tournaments. Makes sense now with wcs am finals in the redbull studios. I highly doubt the overlap is intentional because this hurts SC2 considerably more than Dota2. It's intentional because the international date has been public for so long. I never said it was a smart move by blizzard, just that it was intentional.  Just because they knew this would happen doesn't mean it's intentional.
As I said in the rest of my post. If they're trying to run 3 finals in 1 weekend they don't have a lot of options. And considering how poorly the rest of WCS has been planned, how late every announcement has come.
It would surprise me more if blizzard was incompetent enough to think scheduling over TI was a good idea than if they are just incompetent enough to leave this late to the point where they have no other options.
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what a dick move, better watch some dota, goodbye WCS
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Why does Blizzard do this to themselves. They are pouring their own money into WCS, and they choose to limit the casual viewership by quite a bit and it's a decision that THEY made. This is so weird. Blizzard loves making things hard for themselves.
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On July 23 2013 05:37 Uracil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 05:27 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 05:25 Uracil wrote: Fine for me since i don't follow Dota at all. EU Korea on the same weekend is a bit sad but i guess they couldn't avoid it. Yeah, I wonder what else is going on that is prevent them from doing it other weekends. There might be issues with the production crews for NASL and ESL. They do have other Esports they work on that are not SC2. Well i assume the grand slam will be at Gamescom which is 22.-25 August. So i don't think they can do it on the 17.-18. because the distance to the finals would be to short. And we haven't progressed far enough to hold it a week earlier. WCS EU definitely can, it's in the damn same city !
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On July 23 2013 04:44 Eury wrote: Who cares about some dota tournament. If you are truly a Starcraft fan you will just watch Starcraft, and if you are not then so be it.
God forbid people should like more than one game...
On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote: I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing. Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese. You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event. I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD.
You actually have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Painkiller is a game that requires quite a bit of skill.
On July 23 2013 05:38 Moltisanti wrote: Whats TL3?
Not TL but TI, The International, the largest DotA 2 tournament.
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twitch tv can not handle sc2 on fullscreen during dreamhack valencia and the concurrent views were about 200k now they want to stream vs the international which might get 1 mil loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.I dunno.I tried supporting the sc2 scene as much as I can by leaving browser windows open even when the stream was laggy as hell.I close all other streams etc.But this sort of hits the nail in the coffin.Twitch will be unwatchable in eu and due to the fact blizzard does not want to use azubu or youtubelive which do not lag even when there are big lol competitions(i for example watch the lcs only on azubu since it barely lags while all the trolls are on twitch).They know it will lag,we know it will lag twitch knos it will lag.But they continue endlessly in their pursuit of making childish mistakes that not other company makes.Blizzard is wasting so many years of its proscene with reinveinting the wheel and making the dumbest mistakes possible.And all 3 finals in the same day.Realllly??????????Have they not learned anything form the homestorycup-redbulllan disaster.How many continuous hours do they think sc people will watch all of those tournaments.Oh and after the tournament is a flop they will come with a reddit ama and say:"We have taken your feedback form next year blablabla"I'm done.Concurrent iwth the international is ok but on twtich.really blizzard....
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Twitch is so F***ed... and of course i'm not gonna miss TI3 for this... hopefully the in-game "dota tv" will still work
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Blizzard is killing them self :/ Sorry but i wont miss TI3. also RIP Twitch
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I'm happy that TL is such a common abbreviation around here that when people see TI they think the second letter is lower case
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On July 23 2013 05:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 05:30 TumNarDok wrote:On July 23 2013 05:20 kaztah wrote:On July 23 2013 05:14 TumNarDok wrote: I think this a bold move.I sense David Ting behind it.He is THAT guy with the survival of the fittest. Also, RedBull in on it for the America finals is HUGE. (thanks Rob and Sean!) But also this schedule is better than have the Grand Slam Finals collide with anything.
Consumers must start to realize that we got now like 4,5+ esports titles with decent viewer numbers over/near 100k (LoL, DotA2, SC2, CSGO, CoD) and some smaller ones on top who run at up to lets say 20k (like Quake, EVE, BoI, WoT, WoW, MtG, HoN etc). That not every premiere circuit like MLG, IEM can and will have all their titles.
With all this we the consumer have to start to say adieu to watching everything live simply because these things WILL collide. A startup websites which provides links and search to VODs of these events can be a huge hit in the next 12-24 months Also, easy access to those VODs will help the organizers to further monetize them. Imagine.. you do your own TV/video program when you get home from this.
Anyway. .with usually downtimes on TI and dual monitors and energy drinks and a day off.. this one is no problem and welcome for me.
This is a good theory, if you look beside the fact that last years international had like 400+k viewers, is the biggest tournament dota 2 has by far, and has been hyped up for the last 3 months. Competing with it is just a terrible decision, and just hurts both communities. There's a lot of split, and a lot of dota 2 viewers now used to be sc2 viewers that might've taken a look at WCS. Now that will never happend. I'll agree that if the big players work together and even maybe promote each other, this can reach a whole another level. That be like OVER 9000. They could build esports cities in LA, NY, Cologne, Stockholm and Kiev together. Maybe someone do a round table like they had with organizers last year in Valencia. I fear that most of this WCS schedule is directly connected that WCS have maneuvered themself into this with their rushed initial schedule and goal of completing 3 seasons until Blizzcon, That is a good point. Blizzcon is closing in on them and they need to get through a whole 3rd season, with finals, before that date. They may be willing to take the hit on season finals to make sure they have enough time to get it all done in time for Blizzcon.
Ok, so I did that math. After the season 2 finals on August 10, 2013, they have 12 weeks to get season 3 of WCS done and in the bag. At the pace they have been going, with a 2 week break, they will be cutting it close. I can see why they don't want to delay if possible, even for TI3.
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Is there a single positive thing about this announcement? What was going through their minds?
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also fun fact.
Pokemon TCG worlds championships are at the same time too.
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I kind of understands why everyone is so angry, but I don't think Blizzard had any choice in their schedueling. They could not have it any of the earlier weekends because of Dreamhack/Asus Rog/IEM. They could no postphone the league finals, because they need to scheduel the season finals. I think people are overreacting, it would be worse if the Season 2 finals crashed. The season 2 finals should be a much better thing anyways, this is only a qualifier (sortof)
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