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WCS Season 2 Regional League Finals Dates - Page 4

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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
July 22 2013 20:05 GMT
#61
On July 23 2013 04:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem to be a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.

The best part is that there will be so much down time during both events, I can likely just watch them both at the same time.


Last Year TI had close to zero downtime(like literally)
Crytash
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany251 Posts
July 22 2013 20:05 GMT
#62
On July 23 2013 04:59 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 04:55 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.


I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD.

So you think that CS requires more skill that dota 2? Or are you just trolling at this point?


CS, Quake, Starcraft etc all requires more skill than dota ever did. Dota was made for people that found Warcraft 3 too challenging.


You realy realy should learn how to troll right, you can't even touch anyone who plays Dota with this kind of arguments and even if you are sincere, it is sad, that people think the way you do. Not even pathetic, just said.

The complexity of Dota lies not only in the mechanical skills but also in the teamchemistry, the leadership and the social competence of a player. A Player can contribute on so many levels, but it seems you don't want to see this way of playing.
Words are small, but game is BIG
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
July 22 2013 20:05 GMT
#63
Well so much for WCS this season, poor decision by Blizzard, and one made on purpose to mess with dota 2.
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
July 22 2013 20:05 GMT
#64
Deliberate move by blizzard. Blizzard is trying to directly compete with the International 3. The worst outcome of this is if Twitch falters and causes the events to be unwatchable. DOTA2 has another option with DOTATV but blizzard is stuck with twitch.
HOMEMdoGAS
Profile Joined October 2012
Portugal1418 Posts
July 22 2013 20:06 GMT
#65
On July 23 2013 04:59 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 04:55 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.


I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD.

So you think that CS requires more skill that dota 2? Or are you just trolling at this point?


CS, Quake, Starcraft etc all requires more skill than dota ever did. Dota was made for people that found Warcraft 3 too challenging.



u could be playing for 2.6mil, what are u waiting for?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 20:07 GMT
#66
On July 23 2013 05:05 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 04:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem to be a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.

The best part is that there will be so much down time during both events, I can likely just watch them both at the same time.


Last Year TI had close to zero downtime(like literally)

I didn't notice, but maybe that was just because it was that fast. Well, WCS should make up for it, they always do.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
July 22 2013 20:07 GMT
#67
On July 23 2013 05:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 04:59 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:55 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.


I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD.

So you think that CS requires more skill that dota 2? Or are you just trolling at this point?


CS, Quake, Starcraft etc all requires more skill than dota ever did. Dota was made for people that found Warcraft 3 too challenging.

All right. Well your a troll and should move on, you will find few who agree with you in this community.


Having an opinion that disagrees with your own isn't trolling. And I don't care about if I'm in the majority or not. A lot of people like to listen to pop music but I still think it is crap.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 20:09 GMT
#68
On July 23 2013 05:07 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 05:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:59 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:55 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.


I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD.

So you think that CS requires more skill that dota 2? Or are you just trolling at this point?


CS, Quake, Starcraft etc all requires more skill than dota ever did. Dota was made for people that found Warcraft 3 too challenging.

All right. Well your a troll and should move on, you will find few who agree with you in this community.


Having an opinion that disagrees with your own isn't trolling. And I don't care about if I'm in the majority or not. A lot of people like to listen to pop music but I still think it is crap.

You let us know how you feel and most of the community does not agree. Not much more to see here, really.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Maski
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany335 Posts
July 22 2013 20:09 GMT
#69
I am really really disappointed in Blizzard.
I am a diehard Dota 2 and SC2 fan and I stayed up to watch ever WCS Season 1 Finals including the combined season finals. But this is really bullshit. Why would they try to challenge the International?
For me this is a nobrainer, I will definitely watch TI3 over all WCS finals not only because of the game I like more, but even more because of Blizzard's stupid decision.
But this is more than just that, even people who only love SC are fucked because they are forced to choose between events and this will hurt all of the stream's viewer numbers. Blizzard is shooting themselves in the foot with this!
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
July 22 2013 20:09 GMT
#70
On July 23 2013 05:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 05:07 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 05:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:59 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:55 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.


I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD.

So you think that CS requires more skill that dota 2? Or are you just trolling at this point?


CS, Quake, Starcraft etc all requires more skill than dota ever did. Dota was made for people that found Warcraft 3 too challenging.

All right. Well your a troll and should move on, you will find few who agree with you in this community.


Having an opinion that disagrees with your own isn't trolling. And I don't care about if I'm in the majority or not. A lot of people like to listen to pop music but I still think it is crap.

You let us know how you feel and most of the community does not agree. Not much more to see here, really.


Then move right along, no one is stopping you.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
July 22 2013 20:10 GMT
#71
On July 23 2013 04:54 capiston wrote:
ahah, reading that url I though it was a 26 millions prize pool
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/dota-2s-the-international-prize-pool-hits-26-million-6411851

LOL not yet capiston not yet....
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 22 2013 20:10 GMT
#72
On July 23 2013 05:05 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 04:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem to be a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.

The best part is that there will be so much down time during both events, I can likely just watch them both at the same time.


Last Year TI had close to zero downtime(like literally)


The International is run with only one main stage and they have all the player setups done through swapping SSDs in the PC cases themselves so they generally have to fire off games one after another, and the means to do it impressively quickly. You can always do other stuff during the draft though I suppose.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 20:12:59
July 22 2013 20:10 GMT
#73
On July 23 2013 04:40 mbr2321 wrote:
I'm pretty optimistic about Twitch's chances here. They deal with the 100k+ or so people cramming into that one league tournament every weekend, so WCS shouldn't be too much to handle.


Have you been on twitch with the terrible LCS finals with 100k+ for like a week? Do you even know what else is happening in esports the same weekend as WCS? GL twitch dealing with the mass amount of viewers watching TI3 and WCS at the same time. I'll be chilling in Benaroya Hall with other Dota fans hoping that twitch is watchable for those unable to watch it live.

On July 23 2013 05:10 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 05:05 Yoshi- wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem to be a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.

The best part is that there will be so much down time during both events, I can likely just watch them both at the same time.


Last Year TI had close to zero downtime(like literally)


The International is run with only one main stage and they have all the player setups done through swapping SSDs in the PC cases themselves so they generally have to fire off games one after another, and the means to do it impressively quickly. You can always do other stuff during the draft though I suppose.


Yeah draft is about the only down time there will be. Those people doing the setups were pretty fast at setting stuff up and the players were always on time for matches.
GraFx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States429 Posts
July 22 2013 20:10 GMT
#74
What terrible planning wow. I wonder if this was done intentionally to compete against TI3?
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
July 22 2013 20:10 GMT
#75
Who is actually in charge of this at Blizzard? Still David Ting?
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Turbulencedota
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania29 Posts
July 22 2013 20:11 GMT
#76
On July 23 2013 04:59 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 04:55 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:
On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing.


Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese.


You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event.


I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD.

So you think that CS requires more skill that dota 2? Or are you just trolling at this point?


CS, Quake, Starcraft etc all requires more skill than dota ever did. Dota was made for people that found Warcraft 3 too challenging.


This shows that you have no idea what are you talking about. Even comparing dota 2(teamgame) to starcraft(solo game) is stupid.
Well played!
The counter to bad manner is excessive good manner. "Grubby"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 20:13 GMT
#77
If I were Blizzard I would push EU and NA to the next weekend, but leave Korea where it is. The time zones will mean little overlap with TI3. But that is just me and Blizzard likely has reasons for these dates. Or they just don't know about TI3.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
July 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#78
I think this a bold move.I sense David Ting behind it.He is THAT guy with the survival of the fittest.
Also, RedBull in on it for the America finals is HUGE. (thanks Rob and Sean!)
But also this schedule is better than have the Grand Slam Finals collide with anything.

Consumers must start to realize that we got now like 4,5+ esports titles with decent viewer numbers over/near 100k (LoL, DotA2, SC2, CSGO, CoD) and some smaller ones on top who run at up to lets say 20k (like Quake, EVE, BoI, WoT, WoW, MtG, HoN etc). That not every premiere circuit like MLG, IEM can and will have all their titles.

With all this we the consumer have to start to say adieu to watching everything live simply because these things WILL collide.
A startup websites which provides links and search to VODs of these events can be a huge hit in the next 12-24 months
Also, easy access to those VODs will help the organizers to further monetize them.
Imagine.. you do your own TV/video program when you get home from this.


Anyway. .with usually downtimes on TI and dual monitors and energy drinks and a day off.. this one is no problem and welcome for me.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
July 22 2013 20:16 GMT
#79
On July 23 2013 05:10 Ammanas wrote:
Who is actually in charge of this at Blizzard? Still David Ting?


Im not exactly sure if Ting is the person in charge of WCS and other Blizzard tournaments, or whether he is more of a community manager for e-sports, in charge of making extra content like WCS Today.

Either way, though I don't watch a ton of Dota2, this will for sure impact the viewer rating and count because of the fact that TI3 is the better event to watch, with excellent production, audience, and overall time spent. Blizzard on the other hand....

Not to say that the WCS production or quality is bad (it can be at times), but this is a terrible scheduling issue. This contradicts the path that e-sports is taking in trying to build communities around multiple games, not split the viewership in some act of desperation or defense against a big event like TI3.

I'll still watch the WCS, and probably pop in to TI3 at times, but even though this doesn't affect me as a sole SC fan, it does impact many other viewers. It's really a shame.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
July 22 2013 20:17 GMT
#80
i expect wcs AM to get about zero viewers with this scedule.
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