|
Lalalaland34507 Posts
Yeah if you don't like sleep...
|
On July 24 2013 11:45 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 11:23 MrKn4rz wrote:On July 24 2013 10:58 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport I get the point. But i doubt the number of overlapped audience can be significant. I myself only follow at least same kind of game, like SC1, War3, SC2. Then again, it's only me. Maybe there indeed are many people following both. On July 24 2013 11:08 Daralii wrote:
TI3 will be free to watch ingame and will be streamed on Youtube. Twitch will be strained, but I don't think it'll flat out die. Not unless there's Jaedong v Bogus and Na'Vi vs Alliance going on at the same time, anyway. Just an example of a person following both. There is a reason teamliquid decided to cover DotA 2 in particular. Sc2 got me into e-sports, DotA 2 is a big reason i'm staying. I still watch a lot more sc2 than dota but for me The International will always be the most exciting thing of the year for a lot of reasons. Yes the pricepool is an important part but also the fact that I had the chance to contribute 2,50$ to it. Edit: my point; The overlapping might be a lot more significant than some people might think. Only WCS NA will have big overlap with TI3. If you want to watch WCS EU and KR, you should still be able to watch the large majority of it since they're gonna be in different timezone.
But such squeezed timeline is still a big problem. Why would they put it all together. Its online event, not exactly like a offline carnival. Who would stay awake 20 hrs for games. Geezzz.
|
On July 24 2013 11:45 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 11:23 MrKn4rz wrote:On July 24 2013 10:58 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport I get the point. But i doubt the number of overlapped audience can be significant. I myself only follow at least same kind of game, like SC1, War3, SC2. Then again, it's only me. Maybe there indeed are many people following both. On July 24 2013 11:08 Daralii wrote:
TI3 will be free to watch ingame and will be streamed on Youtube. Twitch will be strained, but I don't think it'll flat out die. Not unless there's Jaedong v Bogus and Na'Vi vs Alliance going on at the same time, anyway. Just an example of a person following both. There is a reason teamliquid decided to cover DotA 2 in particular. Sc2 got me into e-sports, DotA 2 is a big reason i'm staying. I still watch a lot more sc2 than dota but for me The International will always be the most exciting thing of the year for a lot of reasons. Yes the pricepool is an important part but also the fact that I had the chance to contribute 2,50$ to it. Edit: my point; The overlapping might be a lot more significant than some people might think. Only WCS NA will have big overlap with TI3. If you want to watch WCS EU and KR, you should still be able to watch the large majority of it since they're gonna be in different timezone.
Sorry I guess that was a little bit inarticulate. I was just talking about the overlapping audience as in people who watch both sc2 and dota.
|
gah this thread is evil ... Now I am actually intrigued and gonna watch TI alongside WCS. That tournament better be worth as much as people make it out to be on here. I'll just convince myself that the event hurts Valves pocket more then it gains them and I am good.
|
On July 24 2013 12:39 FeyFey wrote:
gah this thread is evil ... Now I am actually intrigued and gonna watch TI alongside WCS. That tournament better be worth as much as people make it out to be on here. I'll just convince myself that the event hurts Valves pocket more then it gains them and I am good.
The community already paid like $4 million for the event (covers the entire prizepool and then some), Valve's own pocket is not going to hurt much no matter what. 
Crowdfunding yo.
|
Well lets have a look at the financial site then, shall we?
The total revenue for buying a compendium is atm roughly $4,1 million. Their costs are of course a secret, but we can subtract the prizepool of roughly $2,62 million. That means Valve has $1.48 million which is of course not enough to pay the whole tournament ( most estimated costs were between $2,5 and $4 Million), but a large chunk of it.
|
On July 24 2013 08:42 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport Warcraft 3 esports fans were never big fans of dota in general. I guess you are talking about people that just played custom games.
Pretty sure DotA gained his popularity by WC3 fans. They were the backbone of the DotA community for a long time. No one bought WC3 just for DotA at the start, but many switched there.
On July 24 2013 20:45 Crytash wrote:
Well lets have a look at the financial site then, shall we?
The total revenue for buying a compendium is atm roughly $4,1 million. Their costs are of course a secret, but we can subtract the prizepool of roughly $2,62 million. That means Valve has $1.48 million which is of course not enough to pay the whole tournament ( most estimated costs were between $2,5 and $4 Million), but a large chunk of it.
4 million through the compendiums, but does anyone know how much they got for selling the TI 3 tickets?
The biggest esports tournament yet is nearly completely sponsored by the community. :D
|
On July 24 2013 21:46 Triarier wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:42 Eury wrote:On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport Warcraft 3 esports fans were never big fans of dota in general. I guess you are talking about people that just played custom games. Pretty sure DotA gained his popularity by WC3 fans. They were the backbone of the DotA community for a long time. No one bought WC3 just for DotA at the start, but many switched there. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:45 Crytash wrote:
Well lets have a look at the financial site then, shall we?
The total revenue for buying a compendium is atm roughly $4,1 million. Their costs are of course a secret, but we can subtract the prizepool of roughly $2,62 million. That means Valve has $1.48 million which is of course not enough to pay the whole tournament ( most estimated costs were between $2,5 and $4 Million), but a large chunk of it. 4 million through the compendiums, but does anyone know how much they got for selling the TI 3 tickets? The biggest esports tournament yet is nearly completely sponsored by the community. :D
WC3 players always looked down on Dota players during the time WC3 was still played competitively. it's like BW and SC2. also there was no need to buy WC3 at all with sites like replays.net hosting free no-cd cracks and servers like bnetd, warforge, iccup or later garena.
maelk and mania are the only 2 WC3 pros i remember switching (and they played 2on2 mainly for MYM).
|
On July 24 2013 21:56 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:46 Triarier wrote:On July 24 2013 08:42 Eury wrote:On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport Warcraft 3 esports fans were never big fans of dota in general. I guess you are talking about people that just played custom games. Pretty sure DotA gained his popularity by WC3 fans. They were the backbone of the DotA community for a long time. No one bought WC3 just for DotA at the start, but many switched there. On July 24 2013 20:45 Crytash wrote:
Well lets have a look at the financial site then, shall we?
The total revenue for buying a compendium is atm roughly $4,1 million. Their costs are of course a secret, but we can subtract the prizepool of roughly $2,62 million. That means Valve has $1.48 million which is of course not enough to pay the whole tournament ( most estimated costs were between $2,5 and $4 Million), but a large chunk of it. 4 million through the compendiums, but does anyone know how much they got for selling the TI 3 tickets? The biggest esports tournament yet is nearly completely sponsored by the community. :D WC3 players always looked down on Dota players during the time WC3 was still played competitively. it's like BW and SC2. also there was no need to buy WC3 at all with sites like replays.net hosting free no-cd cracks and servers like bnetd, warforge, iccup or later garena. maelk and mania are the only 2 WC3 pros i remember switching (and they played 2on2 mainly for MYM).
Madfrog played a little, but WC3 fans kept on watching WC3 but started playing DotA.
|
On July 24 2013 21:46 Triarier wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:42 Eury wrote:On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport Warcraft 3 esports fans were never big fans of dota in general. I guess you are talking about people that just played custom games. Pretty sure DotA gained his popularity by WC3 fans. They were the backbone of the DotA community for a long time. No one bought WC3 just for DotA at the start, but many switched there.
That's not what he's saying. I agree with Eury and I don't know if you followed the scene closely but I remember the WC3 days clearly. Nobody who laddered on WC3 seriously switched to DotA. The people you're referring to, the ones who bought WC3 without knowing about DotA but quickly switched to playing it exclusively, they're more like casuals when it came to the actual WC3 scene.
I'm not saying there's no overlap between WC3 eSports and DotA1, but undoubtedly, WC3 eSports fans were not the "backbone" of the DotA community.
|
On July 24 2013 11:45 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 11:23 MrKn4rz wrote:On July 24 2013 10:58 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport I get the point. But i doubt the number of overlapped audience can be significant. I myself only follow at least same kind of game, like SC1, War3, SC2. Then again, it's only me. Maybe there indeed are many people following both. On July 24 2013 11:08 Daralii wrote:
TI3 will be free to watch ingame and will be streamed on Youtube. Twitch will be strained, but I don't think it'll flat out die. Not unless there's Jaedong v Bogus and Na'Vi vs Alliance going on at the same time, anyway. Just an example of a person following both. There is a reason teamliquid decided to cover DotA 2 in particular. Sc2 got me into e-sports, DotA 2 is a big reason i'm staying. I still watch a lot more sc2 than dota but for me The International will always be the most exciting thing of the year for a lot of reasons. Yes the pricepool is an important part but also the fact that I had the chance to contribute 2,50$ to it. Edit: my point; The overlapping might be a lot more significant than some people might think. Only WCS NA will have big overlap with TI3. If you want to watch WCS EU and KR, you should still be able to watch the large majority of it since they're gonna be in different timezone. Yeah, I am sort of hoping this is all Much Todo about Nothing and both events pull good numbers relative to what they would normally expect.
|
On July 24 2013 08:34 Chessz wrote:
Sigh. Yea this is awful for the scene and Blizz is fucking up, no one will deny that. But then TB comes out of nowhere blubbering and shouting, absolutism, etc and embarrasses himself again.
"This is awful for the scene but if someone that it actually affects directly expresses dislike for it then that's embarrassing"
Grandstanding is as pathetic as it ever was.
|
On July 24 2013 23:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:34 Chessz wrote:
Sigh. Yea this is awful for the scene and Blizz is fucking up, no one will deny that. But then TB comes out of nowhere blubbering and shouting, absolutism, etc and embarrasses himself again. "This is awful for the scene but if someone that it actually affects directly expresses dislike for it then that's embarrassing" Grandstanding is as pathetic as it ever was.
Well you mostly just yelled at everyone who agreed with you, but wasn't as angry as you were. It was a bit weird, but I can see why you would be upset.
|
On July 24 2013 21:56 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:46 Triarier wrote:On July 24 2013 08:42 Eury wrote:On July 24 2013 07:42 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 07:38 Baroninthetree wrote:On July 24 2013 06:52 xPliCt wrote:On July 24 2013 06:33 Fjodorov wrote:
Not sure it helps us in the long run if we try to find a free weekend so we can boost the viewer numbers with loads of people who are watching sc2 just beause there is nothing else on. In the future there will always be a conflict with one of the big games anyways. If a portion of the stream numbers have sc2 as 2, 3, 4 on the list of games then so be it. Why kid our selfs? For me sc2 is n1 but I accept that not everyone feels the same. As said so many times in this thread: it's not about just another tournament, it's about the biggest esport event in history... It's the biggest MOBA event in history. What's does that got to be with Starcraft. Do most sc2 fan watch Dota2 or lol, like ever? Especially with it's WC3 background Dota has a lot of people that also play/follow starcraft. Also you have many people that follow a lot of esport in generel. Both these groups are huge in my opinion and when you have the choice i think (as it was stated a lot in this thread) people that have the slightest interest in dota will watch TI3 cause it's the biggest thing in esport Warcraft 3 esports fans were never big fans of dota in general. I guess you are talking about people that just played custom games. Pretty sure DotA gained his popularity by WC3 fans. They were the backbone of the DotA community for a long time. No one bought WC3 just for DotA at the start, but many switched there. On July 24 2013 20:45 Crytash wrote:
Well lets have a look at the financial site then, shall we?
The total revenue for buying a compendium is atm roughly $4,1 million. Their costs are of course a secret, but we can subtract the prizepool of roughly $2,62 million. That means Valve has $1.48 million which is of course not enough to pay the whole tournament ( most estimated costs were between $2,5 and $4 Million), but a large chunk of it. 4 million through the compendiums, but does anyone know how much they got for selling the TI 3 tickets? The biggest esports tournament yet is nearly completely sponsored by the community. :D WC3 players always looked down on Dota players during the time WC3 was still played competitively. it's like BW and SC2. also there was no need to buy WC3 at all with sites like replays.net hosting free no-cd cracks and servers like bnetd, warforge, iccup or later garena. maelk and mania are the only 2 WC3 pros i remember switching (and they played 2on2 mainly for MYM).
i was about to get mad at that comparison before i realized that would just prove your statement :D
|
It's not like I was going to watch TI3 live but this is retaded beyond belief...
|
Through Starcraft 2 i came in contact with e-sport for the first time. And SC2 is still my favourite, but i will watch The International 3, because its the damn biggest event for Dota 2.
Blizzard fucked it up, and the Players and Teams have to pay for it with less viewers. So sad... just sad.
At least they didnt put the WCS finals on that weekend. Maybe next season the put the finals on the weekend where LOL has its big Season Final. I mean its Blizzard, everythings possible .....
so sad .... *sigh*
|
Can't believe this slipped by me until now, but wth? How could anyone at Blizzard think that it would be a good idea to go up against the international? It's not like they couldn't have seen it coming, the date was set for months now. This will hurt their viewer-base for sure, and the participating teams/players in the process. And even without the international their decistion to cram all the finals into one weekend is peculiar as well. The regional finals are the ones with the stories people care about the most, diminishing their exposure just to have the globals at gamescom isn't worth it imo! I was going to watch TI, but now I suppose that I'll have multiple streams open and hope that their downtimes will overlap as often as possible...-.-
|
At this point i think Blizzard is just trying to make a statement.
"You kept whining and whining you wanted our involvement, well we gonne fuck this up soo hard you don't even dare to think about it anymore"
|
Oh well, TI3 it is then.... Thanks a lot blizz
|
blizzard makes me ashamed to call myself a sc2 player
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
