On July 23 2013 05:14 TumNarDok wrote: I think this a bold move.I sense David Ting behind it.He is THAT guy with the survival of the fittest. Also, RedBull in on it for the America finals is HUGE. (thanks Rob and Sean!) But also this schedule is better than have the Grand Slam Finals collide with anything.
"survival of the fittest" doesn't mean what you think it does.
On July 23 2013 05:14 TumNarDok wrote: I think this a bold move.I sense David Ting behind it.He is THAT guy with the survival of the fittest. Also, RedBull in on it for the America finals is HUGE. (thanks Rob and Sean!) But also this schedule is better than have the Grand Slam Finals collide with anything.
Consumers must start to realize that we got now like 4,5+ esports titles with decent viewer numbers over/near 100k (LoL, DotA2, SC2, CSGO, CoD) and some smaller ones on top who run at up to lets say 20k (like Quake, EVE, BoI, WoT, WoW, MtG, HoN etc). That not every premiere circuit like MLG, IEM can and will have all their titles.
With all this we the consumer have to start to say adieu to watching everything live simply because these things WILL collide. A startup websites which provides links and search to VODs of these events can be a huge hit in the next 12-24 months Also, easy access to those VODs will help the organizers to further monetize them. Imagine.. you do your own TV/video program when you get home from this.
Anyway. .with usually downtimes on TI and dual monitors and energy drinks and a day off.. this one is no problem and welcome for me.
This is a good theory, if you look beside the fact that last years international had like 400+k viewers, is the biggest tournament dota 2 has by far, and has been hyped up for the last 3 months.
Competing with it is just a terrible decision, and just hurts both communities. There's a lot of split, and a lot of dota 2 viewers now used to be sc2 viewers that might've taken a look at WCS. Now that will never happend.
Horrible idea by blizzard. Have they never heard of viewer fatigue? I mean there's only so much sc2 a person can watch in one day. The dota 2 overlap seems intentional since that date has been known forever. Blizz probably just doesn't like valve over dota 2 and that whole lawsuit they had going with them.
On another note - No wonder bitter has been doing the redbull tournaments. Makes sense now with wcs am finals in the redbull studios.
Way too much e-sport content for 1 weekend. How did Blizzard/tournament organizers not see this coming..? I don't particularly care for the Dota tournament, but even the SC2 content alone is too much for me. Oh well.
Even though this is a completely retarded from a viewership point of view. assuming twitch somehow magically stays up and running I wonder how it will affect the actual number of viewers shown on twitch thoughI imagine most players who are interested in sc2 and dota2, will (Assuming they are at a computer\watching one of the events) have the other one up and running in the background. I am a looot more focused on TI3 than WCS, but now that WCS will be at same time ill probably have it running in the background and check in on it now and then. That being said, had TI3 not been going on I would probably be watching Only WCS, instead of just having it in the background while I watch TI3.
Either way think this looks bad or twitch, TI2 had pretty big numbers last years, and after how great that event was + how much dota has grown (+ sick hype like 1 million added to the prize pool from community, the compendiums etc), I expect it to be a lot bigger this year.
Don't think they possibly could have picked a worse weekend\event to 'compete with' though. Sure League of legends also has some big events, but don't think their community/viewers overlaps as much with SC2 as dota2 does.
On July 23 2013 05:13 Plansix wrote: If I were Blizzard I would push EU and NA to the next weekend, but leave Korea where it is. The time zones will mean little overlap with TI3. But that is just me and Blizzard likely has reasons for these dates. Or they just don't know about TI3.
Actually I wouldn't be that surprised if ESL postpones the season finals by a week. Carmac is the kind of guys who has the balls for this.
On July 23 2013 05:25 Uracil wrote: Fine for me since i don't follow Dota at all. EU Korea on the same weekend is a bit sad but i guess they couldn't avoid it.
Yeah, I wonder what else is going on that is prevent them from doing it other weekends. There might be issues with the production crews for NASL and ESL. They do have other Esports they work on that are not SC2.
meh, i see where this idea is coming from but it's not very smart imo. even if the international wasn't going on at the same time.
what i think would actually be awesome though is if they had all 3 region finals at the same event (say right before the global season finals as all the players would have to be there anyways). but i don't think they'd ever do that as it would take the finals of the regional leagues away from the actual regions.
On July 23 2013 05:20 Canucklehead wrote: Horrible idea by blizzard. Have they never heard of viewer fatigue? I mean there's only so much sc2 a person can watch in one day. The dota 2 overlap seems intentional since that date has been known forever. Blizz probably just doesn't like valve over dota 2 and that whole lawsuit they had going with them.
On another note - No wonder bitter has been doing the redbull tournaments. Makes sense now with wcs am finals in the redbull studios.
I highly doubt the overlap is intentional because this hurts SC2 considerably more than Dota2.
For one it creates a lot of ill will and lack of confidence for Blizzard from the community. It will not represent the game in a good light when faced with TI's viewership which will be much larger. And SC2 will lose a lot more viewers to TI than the TI viewers which will be lost to WCS.
I believe that they decided on this whole "all on one weekend", and after that point you are hamstrung on dates having to deal with all these players and organisations. And TI just happened to be the date which worked.
Which is still probably a bad idea as having all the events on one weekend isn't good for your viewers.
On July 23 2013 05:14 TumNarDok wrote: I think this a bold move.I sense David Ting behind it.He is THAT guy with the survival of the fittest. Also, RedBull in on it for the America finals is HUGE. (thanks Rob and Sean!) But also this schedule is better than have the Grand Slam Finals collide with anything.
Consumers must start to realize that we got now like 4,5+ esports titles with decent viewer numbers over/near 100k (LoL, DotA2, SC2, CSGO, CoD) and some smaller ones on top who run at up to lets say 20k (like Quake, EVE, BoI, WoT, WoW, MtG, HoN etc). That not every premiere circuit like MLG, IEM can and will have all their titles.
With all this we the consumer have to start to say adieu to watching everything live simply because these things WILL collide. A startup websites which provides links and search to VODs of these events can be a huge hit in the next 12-24 months Also, easy access to those VODs will help the organizers to further monetize them. Imagine.. you do your own TV/video program when you get home from this.
Anyway. .with usually downtimes on TI and dual monitors and energy drinks and a day off.. this one is no problem and welcome for me.
This is a good theory, if you look beside the fact that last years international had like 400+k viewers, is the biggest tournament dota 2 has by far, and has been hyped up for the last 3 months.
Competing with it is just a terrible decision, and just hurts both communities. There's a lot of split, and a lot of dota 2 viewers now used to be sc2 viewers that might've taken a look at WCS. Now that will never happend.
I'll agree that if the big players work together and even maybe promote each other, this can reach a whole another level. That be like OVER 9000. They could build esports cities in LA, NY, Cologne, Stockholm and Kiev together. Maybe someone do a round table like they had with organizers last year in Valencia.
I fear that most of this WCS schedule is directly connected that WCS have maneuvered themself into this with their rushed initial schedule and goal of completing 3 seasons until Blizzcon,
On July 23 2013 05:14 TumNarDok wrote: I think this a bold move.I sense David Ting behind it.He is THAT guy with the survival of the fittest. Also, RedBull in on it for the America finals is HUGE. (thanks Rob and Sean!) But also this schedule is better than have the Grand Slam Finals collide with anything.
Consumers must start to realize that we got now like 4,5+ esports titles with decent viewer numbers over/near 100k (LoL, DotA2, SC2, CSGO, CoD) and some smaller ones on top who run at up to lets say 20k (like Quake, EVE, BoI, WoT, WoW, MtG, HoN etc). That not every premiere circuit like MLG, IEM can and will have all their titles.
With all this we the consumer have to start to say adieu to watching everything live simply because these things WILL collide. A startup websites which provides links and search to VODs of these events can be a huge hit in the next 12-24 months Also, easy access to those VODs will help the organizers to further monetize them. Imagine.. you do your own TV/video program when you get home from this.
Anyway. .with usually downtimes on TI and dual monitors and energy drinks and a day off.. this one is no problem and welcome for me.
This is a good theory, if you look beside the fact that last years international had like 400+k viewers, is the biggest tournament dota 2 has by far, and has been hyped up for the last 3 months.
Competing with it is just a terrible decision, and just hurts both communities. There's a lot of split, and a lot of dota 2 viewers now used to be sc2 viewers that might've taken a look at WCS. Now that will never happend.
I'll agree that if the big players work together and even maybe promote each other, this can reach a whole another level. That be like OVER 9000. They could build esports cities in LA, NY, Cologne, Stockholm and Kiev together. Maybe someone do a round table like they had with organizers last year in Valencia.
I fear that most of this WCS schedule is directly connected that WCS have maneuvered themself into this with their rushed initial schedule and goal of completing 3 seasons until Blizzcon,
That is a good point. Blizzcon is closing in on them and they need to get through a whole 3rd season, with finals, before that date. They may be willing to take the hit on season finals to make sure they have enough time to get it all done in time for Blizzcon.
On July 23 2013 05:20 Canucklehead wrote: Horrible idea by blizzard. Have they never heard of viewer fatigue? I mean there's only so much sc2 a person can watch in one day. The dota 2 overlap seems intentional since that date has been known forever. Blizz probably just doesn't like valve over dota 2 and that whole lawsuit they had going with them.
On another note - No wonder bitter has been doing the redbull tournaments. Makes sense now with wcs am finals in the redbull studios.
I highly doubt the overlap is intentional because this hurts SC2 considerably more than Dota2.
It's intentional because the international date has been public for so long. I never said it was a smart move by blizzard, just that it was intentional.
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