EPTHellbat: Finally!
Banshee: Too cheap. 150/150?
Call to Action: June 14 Balance Testing - Page 9
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dirtydurb82
United States178 Posts
Hellbat: Finally! Banshee: Too cheap. 150/150? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:51 Hitch-22 wrote: I can't tell if you understood I was joking or not... I think you didn't and for that "pulls off glove" you get a Vincent Longborn slap. /rolld20 19 GGnore I was honestly hoping you were but it's hard to convey sarcasm on the internet. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:45 ZenithM wrote: Protip: Oracle detect, outrun, and destroy banshees. 2 oracles or 1 oracle + 1 phoenix is all it takes to shutdown banshees HARD. Oracles can't attack air you know..... | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
Phoenixes can, and they come from the same structure. It's the same dynamic as getting a Raven and Viking in TvT only less expensive and much faster. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:49 Wertheron wrote: Exactly what i feel, and i'm zerg. Banshee can kill or ruin you, if you didn't see it or didn't prepare for it, but you can defend, and it's your fault if you loose. You can see hellbat and prepare for it, you still in a bad situation :D Plus the Banshee and sporecrawler/cannon had the perfect range/sight ratio. Even if they had a single spore/cannon in the center of the mineral line, a banshee could still dance around it and do damage. The same for stalkers and queens, who where just fast enough to catch the banshee, but one could still get away if it moved early enough. Unlike hellbat drops, which are just in your mineral line, burning your workers, like big jerks. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:48 Ramiz1989 wrote: Oracles can't attack air, so I don't see the point of 2 Oracles. About the Oracle and Phoenix, I agree. LOL my bad ;D What a noob I am haha. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
protip; don't say protip, especially when you're wrong. You go from just looking like a douche to being the douche that was wrong, an even worse scenario. : D <3 | ||
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Shaoer
United States60 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:45 ZenithM wrote: Protip: Oracle detect, outrun, and destroy banshees. 2 oracles or 1 oracle + 1 phoenix is all it takes to shutdown banshees HARD. Phoenix: 150/100 Oracle: 150/150 Stargate: 150/150 Total: 450/400 Banshee: 150/100 Cloak: 100/100; Starport: 150/100 Total: 400/300 Also Protoss requires much more gas intensive early game army(Stalker 50, MScore 100, Sentry:100) vs (Marauder:25).. So like always, gas is alot more precious for Toss. So I should spend 100 more gas than you early game, to counter a unit that doesn't really cost you anything? (Starport makes medivacs which helps with early pushes, while Stargate doesn't have strong singular units - VR and Phoenix and Oracles are all flimsy in low numbers-) | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:57 Hitch-22 wrote: protip; don't say protip, especially when you're wrong. You go from just looking like a douche to being the douche that was wrong, an even worse scenario. : D <3 I don't really care, but I was usually pretty right when it comes to unit stats and interaction. I guess that just goes to show that I'm not following as well anymore :'( I don't mind looking like a douche or being wrong ;D And to the guy above, that's not really how it works, it's not like you invest in an oracle solely to detect the banshee, you can harass with it too you know. Plus, you won't make only 1 oracle and 1 phoenix and Terran won't build only 1 banshee, so that kind of cost evaluation really misses the mark. | ||
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
You're genius. *builds two oracles and then watch helplessly your entire mineral line be destroyed by one very happy Banshee pilot. I like the WP changes, the previous change was a bit overkill. Even on my silver/gold level I managed to beat a plat/diamond players with using the speed prisms (and really not hard to pull off stuff) But this is good. The Hellbat changes make sense, and it gives the blue flame upgrade more meaning. I do hope though that they gave the Hellbat fire the same blue colour when upgraded so you as opponent can tell if they have the upgrade or not. Banshee buff, perhaps a bit overkill, but it's a good direction. Especially in TvT. In PvT I'm not so looking forward, at my level at least to deal with Banshee openings that early. I'll probably ragequit a lot, curse at the opponent and then follow up with a apology afterward after I cooled down.. buuuut, if it fixes the pro scene TvT I don't mind it. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Nightsz
Canada398 Posts
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:57 Shaoer wrote: Phoenix: 150/100 Oracle: 150/150 Stargate: 150/150 Total: 450/400 Banshee: 150/100 Cloak: 100/100; Starport: 150/100 Total: 400/300 Also Protoss requires much more gas intensive early game army(Stalker 50, MScore 100, Sentry:100) vs (Marauder:25).. So like always, gas is alot more precious for Toss. So I should spend 100 more gas than you early game, to counter a unit that doesn't really cost you anything? (Starport makes medivacs which helps with early pushes, while Stargate doesn't have strong singular units - VR and Phoenix and Oracles are all flimsy in low numbers-) u forgot addon , also u dont need a phoenix, oracle + nexus charge or a cannon is enough , be happy that hellbat drop got nerfed cauz hellbat drop>banshee now | ||
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ganil
253 Posts
Hellbats too strong early game. Banshee are never used nowadays (well, still TvT... sometimes). Warp pris buff is totally ok. | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:57 Shaoer wrote: Phoenix: 150/100 Oracle: 150/150 Stargate: 150/150 Total: 450/400 Banshee: 150/100 Cloak: 100/100; Starport: 150/100 Total: 400/300 Also Protoss requires much more gas intensive early game army(Stalker 50, MScore 100, Sentry:100) vs (Marauder:25).. So like always, gas is alot more precious for Toss. So I should spend 100 more gas than you early game, to counter a unit that doesn't really cost you anything? (Starport makes medivacs which helps with early pushes, while Stargate doesn't have strong singular units - VR and Phoenix and Oracles are all flimsy in low numbers-) Uh, and you get super uber additional unit just for additional 50/100 LOL that must be too good to be true. | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
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Tileks
Brazil74 Posts
On June 15 2013 05:57 Shaoer wrote: Phoenix: 150/100 Oracle: 150/150 Stargate: 150/150 Total: 450/400 Banshee: 150/100 Cloak: 100/100; Starport: 150/100 Total: 400/300 Also Protoss requires much more gas intensive early game army(Stalker 50, MScore 100, Sentry:100) vs (Marauder:25).. So like always, gas is alot more precious for Toss. So I should spend 100 more gas than you early game, to counter a unit that doesn't really cost you anything? (Starport makes medivacs which helps with early pushes, while Stargate doesn't have strong singular units - VR and Phoenix and Oracles are all flimsy in low numbers-) You forgot the factory, and the tech lab. So: Banshee: 150/100 Cloak: 100/100; Starport: 150/100 Factory: 150/100 Tech Lab: 50/25 Total: 600/425 Also you dont NEED phoenix, they are good but 2 stalkers (plus detection) can deal with 1 Banshee, and Protoss now have the Planetary Nexus. Zerg have early spores too. Its easier to deal with Banshees now in Hots, but in the end 100/100 for the reasearch might be too cheap, 150/150, 90 seconds seems fair to me. | ||
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