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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:29 Incognoto wrote: His point is that it's pointless to whine about Zerg drop being under powered or underused when they have other stuff at their disposal. Yes sorry english no good. Good Zerg in korea don't use drop to win. Be it early-mid-late game. They just SWARM you to death as long they can defend the deathball! | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
But I'm more than willing to let this patch go through and see what happens. I'm sure I'm going to have my life, but whatev. Lets do it. | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:31 Seiniyta wrote: Warp Prism as far as I know is classified as a unit. Ok! Buff ZEALOTS STALKERS! This 2! Just this 2!! So mad dealing with drops consist of 2 medivac maru/marines. Even with 10 SPEEDLOTs also can't seems to beat them! The just STIM KITE PICK UP BOOST COME BACK STIM KITE U AGAIN! | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
we have three choice yes no buff others don't you think 'buff others' category is not something we should discuss in liquid? (the current stat shows that more people are saying no. no+buff others) | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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Dvriel
607 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:33 Kim Hyuna wrote: Ok! Buff ZEALOTS STALKERS! This 2! Just this 2!! So mad dealing with drops consist of 2 medivac maru/marines. Even with 10 SPEEDLOTs also can't seems to beat them! You dont have to defend drops with chargelots. Its a common mistake for almost every Protoss. You need HT for feedback or blinkstalkers. Let MEdivac without energy and snipe them. The momento T see 4-5 stalkers waiting, he will turn arround. If you buff Zealots and Stalkers, this will be the end of TvP early game. Can you just imagine the Xgate all ins? Not even 10 bunkers will be able to stop them. Just learn to deal with drops. Spread observers and always let 1-2 HTs in your base+1 cannon. A week ago David Kim said in SOTG that from Korea(South) Blizzard is receiving feddback from Terrans saying they cant drop anymore due to the Photon Overcharge. MScore can as well recall units if you see a doom drop. I think Protoss got enough tolos to defend drops, but are not used to make them work. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:35 SsDrKosS wrote: I've just looked at the poll now, and somehow this thread is misleading... we have three choice yes no buff others don't you think 'buff others' category is not something we should discuss in liquid? (the current stat shows that more people are saying no. no+buff others) Buff others is a stupid question. I mean, when your options are a) buff warp prism b) buff anything from the complement set of the warp prism ... well, answer b) is simply a thousand times more likely to contain "your favorite" buff. And "no+buff other" is in the lead you say? "yes+no" is even further in the lead... it's a 3option poll. You can't combine them as you want. | ||
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willstertben
427 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:29 Incognoto wrote: His point is that it's pointless to whine about Zerg drop being under powered or underused when they have other stuff at their disposal. but they don't have reliable harassment tools that you don't have to over commit to like the other races have in medivacs and warp prisms. don't you see how it would make the game much better to have that for all races? zerg right now has no harassment capability to punish overly aggressive/out of position opponents at all outside of mutalisks which in turn make your army MUCH MUCH MUCH weaker to the point of having to base trade if you want to use them like that and that is just sad. that is also the reason why innovation is pretty much unbeatable in tvz and soon there will be more like him (flash looking like he's almost there). just watch the series soulkey and innovation had a while back when soulkey was able to harass innovation with ling bling and actually attack his economy instead of just being on the receiving end all the time. soulkey was able to win that series. why did that work? cause innovation didn't have walls and defense for his bases. why didn't he? because zerg has no harassment potential so why bother? in turn his frontal attacks will be MUCH better because he doesn't have to make any effort for defense. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
Faster... Medivac speed Warp prism speed _________ speed | ||
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Millet
Sweden143 Posts
gateway units are balanced around the use of warpgate. If gateway units are buffed, warpgate research needs to be nerfed. I would love this though. Placing warpgate research on like twilight council whilst buffing gateway units would be awesome. | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:39 Big J wrote: Buff others is a stupid question. I mean, when your options are a) buff warp prism b) buff anything from the complement set of the warp prism ... well, answer b) is simply a thousand times more likely to contain "your favorite" buff. And "no+buff other" is in the lead you say? "yes+no" is even further in the lead... it's a 3option poll. You can't combine them as you want. ah... I mislead you by saying not exactly what the first guy said he said yes no buff SOMETHING ELSE That means those who chose no 3, they are against this wp buff according to what this guy said. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:43 Millet wrote: For all people who suggest to buff gateway units: gateway units are balanced around the use of warpgate. If gateway units are buffed, warpgate research needs to be nerfed. I would love this though. Placing warpgate research on like twilight council whilst buffing gateway units would be awesome. Eliminate the warp gate entirely. Give protoss a strong T1 instead. | ||
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pieroog
Poland146 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:43 Millet wrote: If gateway units are buffed, warpgate research needs to be nerfed. I would love this though. Placing warpgate research on like twilight council whilst buffing gateway units would be awesome. I'd go even further - make warpgate mechanix available only within nexus' vicinity. the warpgate does more dmg to protos than good  | ||
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havok55
United States276 Posts
Zerg have speedlings and mutas. What's the Terran equivalent of 10 mutas in your main? Drops. What's the Terran equivalent of 20 lings in your 3rd? Drops. See the pattern? Terran relies on drops to do everything, which was why medivacs got the boosters. Protoss is in the same boat, although they also have proxy pylons that sort of work like ling runbys. | ||
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willstertben
427 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:48 havok55 wrote: People bringing up Zerg are missing one point. Zerg doesnt actually need drops or nydus at all. Those are just extra, usually less desirable, options for some gimmicky play. Zerg have speedlings and mutas. What's the Terran equivalent of 10 mutas in your main? Drops. What's the Terran equivalent of 20 lings in your 3rd? Drops. See the pattern? Terran relies on drops to do everything, which was why medivacs got the boosters. Protoss is in the same boat, although they also have proxy pylons that sort of work like ling runbys. 10 mutas in main will be cleaned up by turret + marines coming out of barracks and won't do any damage. 16 mutas with at least +1 will be able to do significant damage. that's 32 army supply and 1700/1700 compared to the cost of a drop which in turn does not affect your army strength that isn't really comparable. again, ling runbys to the 3rd are easily countered by walloffs and possibly a widow mine. (supply depot walls and often times one bunker with a marine inside at the 3rd were the norm in WOL). the other bases are pf so ling runbys are a nonfactor there. and i think as i have elaborated in my previous post that innovation tvz shows very clearly that zerg is in dire need some sort of reliable harassment potential that doesn't cost at least 1700/1700 and 32 army supply. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
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MrSourGit
England135 Posts
Barring that , Protoss ain't weak ...... | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On May 29 2013 17:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: If you think it will affect PvT until Templars are out, you're just wrong blizz. But for vs Z it will be just another tool. Maybe you should remove ling speed or burrow altogether, eh, so zerg can harass more? Or maybe zergs need viable cloaked harassing unit, which was pretty fine in BW, = lurker. THEY HAVE SWARMHOSTTTT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
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syno
Switzerland150 Posts
On May 29 2013 18:04 SsDrKosS wrote: Oh yeah. another tag for spore crawler... 15+ psionic!!! You are never happy with what you get, hmm? | ||
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