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On May 14 2013 01:59 Noobity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:39 TychusFindlaylol wrote:On May 13 2013 21:48 Wombat_NI wrote:
'so far gamers are just a bunch of boring nerds nobody pays attention to. ' - And your solution to this issue is to do what? Not punish Idra and allow him to perpetuate all the worst nerdrage stereotypes? I never said that was the solution because I never said the other was a problem. I only acknowledge the current situation of esports and this community. Only gamers watch other gamers play, and I know some mediocres are just happy with what they have now. However, this is not my case. I want this to evolve into something bigger and compete with the biggest entertainment industries we see today. We need to make this appealing to the masses, not just a small community if we want to take this to the next level. Also, what's wrong about the nerdrage and the BM? That's what really sells in this world along with sex. Take a look at boxing and WWE exploiting this. Just look at Muhammad Ali, a big mouth boxer. Some people loved him and wanted him to win; others, hated him and wanted someone to shut his mouth... but you know what? both types of people wanted to see him and paid to see him. People shaking hands and saying GG won't sell to the masses. Making it personal will do. The masses want to see people who hate each other competing against each other; or at least they like to see personalities too. Something esports doesn't exploit much. Only few players are controversial, and when one player is too controversial and has a unique persoanlity, what do they do? They fired him... We need more Idras, we need more CombatEX, and all those colorful personalities the community is so against. Those are the people that can make a show, that can sell and expand the market. We need people to talk about us just like in this thread and its 330 something pages. I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. I think we need more people with personality, sure, but I think those people can be the Grubbys, the Partings, the DJ Wheats, the Total Biscuits of the community. These are all guys who have proven to be entertaining, throwing generally harmless taunts or energetic banter around depending on their role in the community. We don't need our crazy individuals to be douche-bags, just crazy enough to entertain.
You just want clowns who can make you laugh, but heroes and villains can also do a favor to the community. You cannot just have a bunch of good guys saying GG and few clowns making funny comments and acting silly. You want the whole package. You want the bad guys, the tough guys, the big mouths, the heroes, the bullies, the victims, the sexy chick... I mean the more color you put, the better because it brings more entertainment.
I personally feel that eSports is at a disadvantage in that it's going to be harder for us to get the non-gamer buddies over to watch a starcraft match on the weekends. We're going to have a hard time getting our girlfriends or wives to join us at the eSports stadium to watch an event. We're going to have 20+ years of that nerd-stigma affecting us (oh the guys aren't moving, I don't get it, what's so hard about that?). If we want to grow, we can't have our most well known personalities throwing out slurs, calling fans fucks or generally being douche-bags. This doesn't grow the overall viewership, but polarizes the current viewership. Idra getting 10,000 viewers is not getting 10,000 viewers who would otherwise never have watched starcraft, it's getting 10,000 viewers who already know about and watch starcraft and want to either see him explode, find his commentary useful, want to see him make fun of other people, or whatever.
We are at disadvantage because we are not offering anything to those who do not play the game. People don't just watch the sport, they watch the players too. People love cinderella stories, they love seeing a villain getting beat. However, what villains our heroes are gonna beat if the moment someone acts like one (like Idra), they fire him? You cannot have heroes without villains. You need people to exploit those personalities too.
All this is moot, however. From a business perspective, you have a guy saying that he is being paid to be a dick to the comminuty. He takes money that you give him (either as an actual salary or because you give money to the team that then gives him some of that money) and then treats fellow competitors, competitions, or fans like trash and you help make that happen. Whether or not this is actually what's going on (I genuinely don't think he means to be a dick in a malicious way) this is how the situation is perceived. Businesses don't like that shit. I don't want to pay a guy to promote my brand in that kind of fashion, and the few businesses that have in the past (Cloud9labs for instance with Destiny) get a ton of backlash. I can't blame any of them for the pressure they put on EG management, and I can't blame EG management if they used that pressure to make their decision.
Wrestlers get paid to mock their fans on national television, and I don't see anything wrong with it. Idra is not the first one; neither he will be the last one. Besides, I bet he got more vieweres after he said all this, so YES... mocking the community gives him money from the community he is mocking.
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SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will likewise suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA.
Yes, characters are good. "Bad guys" can be fun. But there is a thin-line between showmanship and when things just become contrived and obnoxious. SC2 appeals to people's intellect more than any actual sport. The side-shows might work in sports, but in videogames it's just going to come off to your average person as pathetic.
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On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA.
....... Baseball is a game to, it is also a sport.
You should prob take the time to look up the word sport and understand what it means.
Sc2 is a sport. You can make a living off it, there is a a insane competitive cult following played at a high lvl
"sport"
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.
Sure does seem like sc2 follows the meaning of the word "sport" sigh.
Football is more fake to me, then sc2, football is more about marketing then skill, (I mean American football no soccer)
Football has more actors/story lines/advertisements/marketing then sc2. Sc2 is just like Athletic sports.
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On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
Starcraft and videogames are entertainment. The purpose is to entertain people by either playing or watching others play.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart.
I think we need the drama, we need a story behind the match other than "let's win the tournament, GG." These people have stories and they have personalities too. Everybody had matches where they raged, so why is showing that so wrong if it is something we all experienced at some point? Also, do not say the rage and drama is fake cuz it is there. There is even drama among team mates. I mean, these people are working under pressure. You think they are playing, but this is their job. They must show results, or else. It's not just a game for them, so there is drama. Drama that can be used for the benefit of the community but it is not because there is this thing about "let's just be nice and say GG" thing nobody outside this community will enjoy.
Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and chomp on their ears.
Dude, they all did a show, and their show sold to millions. Money talks kid. Look at this thread, and all the views on youtube about this incident. We all bought it.
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I think all bw players get a little sad when their icons start to "fade", in comparison to their former glory. Maybe that'll encourage him to improve?
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On May 14 2013 00:57 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 22:28 Penev wrote:On May 13 2013 22:02 Aim Here wrote:
At the risk of derailing all this anti-EG and/or anti-Idra angst with something positive, seems that Idra will likely start his new casting career by cocasting the next round of ShoutCraft USA with Totalbiscuit, of all people!
Given that they've criticized each other in the past (and the community has invented some drama where none existed too, for good measure!) this should be interesting - Idra did a really good job casting with Jason Lee, who was far more of a Starcraft novice than TB is, in one of the early GSLs, so I reckon this could work fairly well, at least on the part of the casters. How the community reacts is a different matter, given how both personalities seem to provoke a fairly toxic reaction among some vocal Starcraft fans. We'll see!
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Quit derailing the thread you fuck!  Cool. Will definitely be tuning in. I can't wait for the day Idra fans 'reclaim' the noun fuck, and demand to be called 'the fucks' as a group :D
Fuckers gonna fuck. But seriously; Idra should manner up at least a little bit. He could've called us "a bunch of sexual intercourses" and everything would've been just fine.
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While I agree that even bad publicity is better for eSports promotion in general than lack of publicity I think some of you may have trouble realizing that some kid insulting others in a video game or on an Internet forum does not quite create a badass image that is likely to attract media's attention.
We need more mature people in eSports. People who drink, do drugs and gamble. People who date celebrities and cheat on them. People who go to rehab only to come back and win a major tournament by cheesing every game, and be arrested afterwards for driving on cocaine with a bunch of hookers hired for prize money.
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On May 14 2013 02:33 habermas wrote:
While I agree that even bad publicity is better for eSports promotion in general than lack of publicity I think some of you may have trouble realizing that some kid insulting others in a video game or on an Internet forum does not quite create a badass image that is likely to attract media's attention.
We need more mature people in eSports. People who drink, do drugs and gamble. People who date celebrities and cheat on them. People who go to rehab only to come back and win a major tournament by cheesing every game, and be arrested afterwards for driving on cocaine with a bunch of hookers hired for prize money.
Yeah, that will totally sell too.
We also need few hot sexy girls winning a tournament and posing naked for Playboy the week after.
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On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. . . .
Wrong. Sorry man. Literally takes 2 seconds to look this info up:
"Chess is recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee (IOC); since June 1999 FIDE has been the recognized International Sports Federation."
There are even doping regulations for playing chess. Yes, this is true. Since it has been classified as a sport since 1999, you're about 14 years behind the times. Intense mental exertion does qualify as a form of exercise.
In addition, Starcraft and many E-sports do require some physical exertion with regards to coordination and rapid hand-movement. People get physically injured playing Starcraft, just like other sports, often having to take long breaks.
Furthermore, attempting to differentiate and thus diminish E-sports or Starcraft in some way relative to other games/sports does seem very petty - whether it's a sport or a game, they are all played competitively and for entertainment purposes.
P.S. Misread you're post regarding WWE and deleted my comment there. Also, we are in agreement in needing to tone down the Drama and BM, but certainly not regarding your seeming need to differentiate SC2 from a sport.
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this whole "release" is contrived.
Geoff Robinson is hte captain of the team and is not informed of it?
He finds out during a talk show?
LOL
Geoff's "stunned reaction" was great. Give the man an Oscar.
The "release" happens just as "State of the Game" is airing.
Here is what really happened.
Idra got knocked out in the RO32 and realized the competition in the "Challenger League" would be stiff.
He had been thinking of retiring from competitive gaming for at least a year.
So EG, looking for as much publicity as possible cooked up this entire "episode". Idra took a few final shots, knowing full well what would happen.
Then Idra gets to make his big "i quit" announcement with the whole world tuning in.
All we need now is Bret Hart submitting to s SHawn Michael's Sharpshooter in the centre of the ring in Montreal to complete this story.
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On May 14 2013 02:26 TychusFindlaylol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels. Starcraft and videogames are entertainment. The purpose is to entertain people by either playing or watching others play. Show nested quote +It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. I think we need the drama, we need a story behind the match other than "let's win the tournament, GG." These people have stories and they have personalities too. Everybody had matches where they raged, so why is showing that so wrong if it is something we all experienced at some point? Also, do not say the rage and drama is fake cuz it is there. There is even drama among team mates. I mean, these people are working under pressure. You think they are playing, but this is their job. They must show results, or else. It's not just a game for them, so there is drama. Drama that can be used for the benefit of the community but it is not because there is this thing about "let's just be nice and say GG" thing nobody outside this community will enjoy. Show nested quote +Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and chomp on their ears. Dude, they all did a show, and their show sold to millions. Money talks kid. Look at this thread, and all the views on youtube about this incident. We all bought it.
I didn't buy anything. This drama draws attention from within the community, not from outside. We might all talk about it, but it isn't drawing in people. Where do you guys get this idea? Because this thread is large and a YouTube video gets more hits than average -- that's your barometer for success in "e-sports"?
IdrA's BM isn't captivating people to try watching professional video-gaming. It's made no difference. Yes, it's sparked a lot of conversation, but it's mostly an inter-community debate as to what "e-sports" needs to succeed.
Let's be real here. If we're trying to make professional video-gaming a more legitimate and accepted form of entertainment, you think IdrA is the answer? Because he appears to me to simply affirm every negative stereotype a person can make about video-gaming.
IdrA wasn't BMing his closest rivals, due to his passion for good competition --- rather, he BM'd everybody, and that's a big difference. He recently quit his first match in the biggest SC2 tourney in history with 200/200 supply, and without saying "gg", to an opponent that warranted nothing but respect.
IdrA's problem wasn't just his lack of respect towards other players and random ladder opponents. It was his lack of respect altogether -- he didn't even respect the game enough to give an honest performance in the most important match of his career.
He isn't Ali. He is Tyson. And Tyson did not help boxing. In fact, Tyson was probably the beginning of the end for boxing. The sport has been in decline ever since his tenure. People saw him slurring words and acting like an angry lunatic, and the sport really lost a lot of its glamour, due entirely to one man's poor behavior.
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On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will likewise suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA.
Yes, characters are good. "Bad guys" can be fun. But there is a thin-line between showmanship and when things just become contrived and obnoxious. SC2 appeals to people's intellect more than any actual sport. The side-shows might work in sports, but in videogames it's just going to come off to your average person as pathetic.
If you think boxing overall suffered from having a character like Mike Tyson in the spotlight, then you have absolutely no idea how boxing works and are ignoring ticket sales and viewership numbers from his era. In terms of hard numbers, both Tyson and Mayweather have been what has been keeping boxing alive in the face of the ever growing problems of judge misconduct, belt holder/title schism, and promoter money grubbing. Furthermore, you can claim that sc2 is intellectual all you want and none of that will change the fact that huge numbers of this games fans are hormonal young men who enjoy their jocular conflict and self aggrandizing competition.
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On May 14 2013 02:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
this whole "release" is contrived.
Geoff Robinson is hte captain of the team and is not informed of it?
He finds out during a talk show?
LOL
Geoff's "stunned reaction" was great. Give the man an Oscar.
The "release" happens just as "State of the Game" is airing.
Here is what really happened.
Idra got knocked out in the RO32 and realized the competition in the "Challenger League" would be stiff.
He had been thinking of retiring from competitive gaming for at least a year.
So EG, looking for as much publicity as possible cooked up this entire "episode". Idra took a few final shots, knowing full well what would happen.
Then Idra gets to make his big "i quit" announcement with the whole world tuning in.
All we need now is Bret Hart submitting to s SHawn Michael's Sharpshooter in the centre of the ring in Montreal to complete this story.
That or it took two days for EG's sponsors to put enough pressure on them to release Idra.
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On May 14 2013 02:25 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA. ....... Baseball is a game to, it is also a sport. You should prob take the time to look up the word sport and understand what it means. Sc2 is a sport. You can make a living off it, there is a a insane competitive cult following played at a high lvl "sport" An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Sure does seem like sc2 follows the meaning of the word "sport" sigh. Football is more fake to me, then sc2, football is more about marketing then skill, (I mean American football no soccer) Football has more actors/story lines/advertisements/marketing then sc2. Sc2 is just like Athletic sports.
Are you serious? You bid for the idea StarCraft is a sport, look up its definition which contradicts it, then say plainly it follows that definition?
Yikes.
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On May 14 2013 02:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
this whole "release" is contrived.
Geoff Robinson is hte captain of the team and is not informed of it?
He finds out during a talk show?
LOL
Geoff's "stunned reaction" was great. Give the man an Oscar.
The "release" happens just as "State of the Game" is airing.
Here is what really happened.
Idra got knocked out in the RO32 and realized the competition in the "Challenger League" would be stiff.
He had been thinking of retiring from competitive gaming for at least a year.
So EG, looking for as much publicity as possible cooked up this entire "episode". Idra took a few final shots, knowing full well what would happen.
Then Idra gets to make his big "i quit" announcement with the whole world tuning in.
All we need now is Bret Hart submitting to s SHawn Michael's Sharpshooter in the centre of the ring in Montreal to complete this story.
Btw, who was responsible for 9/11?
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Basically, sideshows like these aren't drawing in people. There is no proof to show it would even have that effect.
Let's look at where e-sports actually has succeeded to a large degree. Would any of you compare IdrA to Boxer? Someone who actually was successful in branding e-sports to a wide and diverse audience Or Yellow? Boxer and Yellow had a rivalry. They are genuine characters. But they possess a level of respect for the competition. They take it seriously. Neither would've wished CANCER on someone for losing a game -- and if they did, I imagine the consequences would've been much more swift and severe than they were for IdrA.
When IdrA left his first WCS match without giving Polt a GG, sitting at 200 supply, it made me really question who else could have gotten that invite. How many other players would've tried harder, and cared enough about the game, to actually fight for it. IdrA might make for long threads and high-viewer streams, but he is not drawing people to e-sports. I'd say it's more likely he's having the opposite effect, and weening people off of it. I want honest competition, and WCS briefly failed on delivering that when they handed IdrA a free invite over more deserving players, just because IdrA is a "character".
edit: Yes, IdrA is just "exaggerating" and "venting his anger" when he wishes cancer on people. That's obvious. What should also be obvious is there are thousands of other people who play the game, get angry, and manage to not act like a complete child about it.
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I'm actually less likely to follow EG now. If IDRA posting some random crap on his fan club causes you to hate him then so be it. IDRA fans embrace the double edged sword and they realize sometimes it cuts the opponents sometimes it cuts him and sometimes it cuts the fans. In the end he's not mr corporate line he's Idra. He just tells you what he thinks and you can hate him for it love it or not care. If some random guy who is most likely never going to meet you effects you so much then you need to find a real life.
He does the work he doesn't get lazy then wonder why he doesn't produce. He did the korean enviorment and did as well as any foreigner has done in it if not better. you can learn more in 20 mins of watching him analyze his stream than you could watching other pro's streams for the entire evening.
I'm not saying people should do what he's done, but I'm just saying we knew what we were getting with IDRA and we were okay with that. Now your trying to say you aren't but the thing is you were okay with it for years... Honestly I think this just comes down to he doesn't get tournament results anymore and he's just a streaming revenue source for them. They just wanted a reason to opt out of the contract. Why is this incident so much bigger than his other ones?
And that is why I am no longer an EG fan. This was the guy who stayed up and watched him play in the early AM hours. This is the guy who had to know if Idra advanced. I was a huge EG fan. Because they had IDRA in the GSL!!!! now they are a shadow of there former selfs on the scene. Bunch of guys that were better on the teams they were on before they came to EG.
just for the record the best spot for IDRA would be back in Korea. What he does now is only up to him. He's a grinder, he needs to get back to that enviorment to flourish. Incontrols weakness was simply rubbing off on him like a posion these last few years... this is good for IDRA.
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On May 14 2013 02:43 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will likewise suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA.
Yes, characters are good. "Bad guys" can be fun. But there is a thin-line between showmanship and when things just become contrived and obnoxious. SC2 appeals to people's intellect more than any actual sport. The side-shows might work in sports, but in videogames it's just going to come off to your average person as pathetic. If you think boxing overall suffered from having a character like Mike Tyson in the spotlight, then you have absolutely no idea how boxing works and are ignoring ticket sales and viewership numbers from his era. In terms of hard numbers, both Tyson and Mayweather have been what has been keeping boxing alive in the face of the ever growing problems of judge misconduct, belt holder/title schism, and promoter money grubbing. Furthermore, you can claim that sc2 is intellectual all you want and none of that will change the fact that huge numbers of this games fans are hormonal young men who enjoy their jocular conflict and self aggrandizing competition.
And that's all it will ever be? I remember seeing stadiums full of people of all ages, and both sexes, to watch Korean Broodwar.
But I guess that's just not possible here. Here video-games -- or, excuse me, "e-sports" -- are purely for young men who enjoy jocular conflict (i.e. nerd-rages)?
It seems you guys aren't arguing about what's best to make SC2 grow, but rather how best to maintain its status-quo. I think that's kind of a shame that we use this term "e-sports" -- and yet we then talk about how it's only meant to appeal to hormonal young men. Why bother promoting it at all?
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On May 14 2013 02:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
this whole "release" is contrived.
Geoff Robinson is hte captain of the team and is not informed of it?
He finds out during a talk show?
LOL
Geoff's "stunned reaction" was great. Give the man an Oscar.
The "release" happens just as "State of the Game" is airing.
Here is what really happened.
Idra got knocked out in the RO32 and realized the competition in the "Challenger League" would be stiff.
He had been thinking of retiring from competitive gaming for at least a year.
So EG, looking for as much publicity as possible cooked up this entire "episode". Idra took a few final shots, knowing full well what would happen.
Then Idra gets to make his big "i quit" announcement with the whole world tuning in.
All we need now is Bret Hart submitting to s SHawn Michael's Sharpshooter in the centre of the ring in Montreal to complete this story.
Tin foil hattery at its best. All we need now is someone linking this to sandy hook or 9/11.
That being said, Idra will have no problem with getting a new job within the sc2 community. I hope the best for him! <3
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On May 14 2013 01:54 TychusFindlaylol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:48 LOveRH wrote:
No. No we don't need more CombatEX. IdrA pissed people off but at least he didn't cheat. There is a big difference between the two players. I wouldn't say they are the same thing..at all... I knew some people will think this. However, another big group of people will think otherwise. Also... "stream cheating" is not cheating according to Blizzard rules, so CombatEX never broke the rules. Besides, I think streamers can delay their gameplay to avoid this. Correct me if I am wrong.
I heard he used map hacks as well as other things and he apologized for it later on. I consider any thing that gives a player an unfair advantage to be "cheating",... thought that was the definition of cheating but whatever. CombatEX is a dick, cheater and never can be placed in a rank as a 'Pro' player. IdrA can be a dick, never cheated and has won many tournaments and has a large reputation/following in the gaming community.
Again... how do people compare a wannabe pro with a WELL KNOWN Pro?
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