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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
May 13 2013 11:47 GMT
#4641
Look, stop with this 'real sports and E-sports fans don't give a shit', when you are NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF EVERYBODY.

For fuck's sake, why does every other post claim to speak for entire communities, rather than being prefaced with a 'to me' or 'in my opinion' because that is all you're giving.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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dicex
Profile Joined November 2010
127 Posts
May 13 2013 11:48 GMT
#4642
Can someone please close this thread?
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 12:03:28
May 13 2013 11:49 GMT
#4643
On May 13 2013 20:46 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 20:44 levelping wrote:
On May 13 2013 20:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 13 2013 20:31 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
On May 13 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 13 2013 20:12 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:
On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now?


Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it?

Edit: Typo


I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect.
Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition.

So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty.


So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right?


If they were spending it on "I hope you die of cancer" and "You all are a bunch of fucks" and ragequitting in a major tournament.

A big loud, YES.


You missed point. By a long shot. *Facepalm* And I like how you didn't even know of his clarification of his comments. The cancer one was an over-exaggeration of his feelings for the purpose of comedy and the "you're a bunch of fucks" was directed at butthurt haters like you. And this is exactly my point. You guys don't respect players for their skill, achievements, or results. You only care about their personality. This is why the community is pretty much dead to me. Hell, people disrespect NaNiwa 24/7 and he's probably the second greatest foreigner ever.


Except idra doesn't have any relevant contemporary results... His past deeds only go so far. And anyway I don't get this division between results and personality in the first place. Ppeople respect boxer because of his great personality and results. Same for nada and many of the old generation. People still respect mvp because of his results and his never say die personality.

I don't get your angst over results... Idra comes as a person. If he talks shit but has good results, people can look over that. But if he isn't getting results and still insists on insulting his own fan base... Overall that is really hard to like.


Keep proving my point. Yet you'll stop respecting BoxeR and NaDa if they talked trash right. Real sports and e-sports fans don't give two shits about personality. We only care about good games.

Why do you care so much about Idra then? His last good games are long past. Rejoice that EG has the opportunity now to invest into someone who can deliver good games. Every SC2 fan profits (except those interested in Idra's personality, which, according to you, you are not).
Get off my lawn, young punks
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
May 13 2013 11:55 GMT
#4644
On May 13 2013 20:47 Wombat_NI wrote:For fuck's sake, why does every other post claim to speak for entire communities, rather than being prefaced with a 'to me' or 'in my opinion' because that is all you're giving.

Because every post is someones opinion, and explicitly stating such is highly redundant.
LeopoldStotch
Profile Joined April 2011
United States158 Posts
May 13 2013 11:59 GMT
#4645
Why are Idra fans still so pissed off? He got kicked off a team, he didn't fucking die and isn't quitting starcraft.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
May 13 2013 12:00 GMT
#4646
No, not when you claim to speak for all 'real' fans.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 13 2013 12:02 GMT
#4647
On May 13 2013 20:55 Elwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 20:47 Wombat_NI wrote:For fuck's sake, why does every other post claim to speak for entire communities, rather than being prefaced with a 'to me' or 'in my opinion' because that is all you're giving.

Because every post is someones opinion, and explicitly stating such is highly redundant.


His point is that people keep telling others what they feel (or should be feeling) as "real fans" and fans of esports. There's a clear semantic difference between people stating their opinion and people using big groups of people as a basis for their opinion when they in reality have no ground to do so.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
May 13 2013 12:06 GMT
#4648
Thank you nihlon, phrasing what I meant better than I did, and in your non-native tongue. I feel somewhat ashamed
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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thanhbao86
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 12:14:14
May 13 2013 12:11 GMT
#4649
On May 13 2013 20:32 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 14:11 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:
On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality.

Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business.


When exactly?

Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE."
Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award.
Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world.
Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that.
Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today.
Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers.
Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world.

I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game.

You realize all of those players have been fined and lost sponsors right?

Idra could keep playing if he wanted to. Just not for EG.


Notice how they're... you know... still playing. Notice how whenever each of them (besides Vick) got suspended/punished, fans got in arms about it. And it's not like what each of these guys did compared to IdrA, not even close. IdrA posted on a forum. Some of these people went to prison. And STILL the fans of those other leagues actually had the balls to forgive and just watch some good games. Unless someone commits a heinous crime (murder, rape, etc) I could honestly give two shits about their past or popularity as long as that player can perform.


Agree completely with what this guy said. We play and watch the game. We should just do that. I feel like this community now cares more about drama than the game itself. If Idra were still a great gamer, I would watch his games. Now he sucks and just trash talks so I stop watching. It is simple as that.
Fat Dragoon
TychusFindlaylol
Profile Joined March 2013
United States20 Posts
May 13 2013 12:18 GMT
#4650
I wish Idra didn't apologyze in his latest interview. I wish he openly admited all the things he said and wished AIDS to everyone who disagrees with him. That would make it to the news and give the game and Esports the fame, popularity and recognition needed to take our community to the next level.

so far gamers are just a bunch of boring nerds nobody pays attention to. If we can show the world we are more than that. and that we can actually entertain the masses with the drama and rage, then we could make it to national TV shows and compete with the top sport industries of America.
TychusFindlaylol
Profile Joined March 2013
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 12:21:23
May 13 2013 12:20 GMT
#4651
finkelboy
Profile Joined December 2008
Italy372 Posts
May 13 2013 12:45 GMT
#4652
On May 13 2013 21:18 TychusFindlaylol wrote:
I wish Idra didn't apologyze in his latest interview. I wish he openly admited all the things he said and wished AIDS to everyone who disagrees with him. That would make it to the news and give the game and Esports the fame, popularity and recognition needed to take our community to the next level.

so far gamers are just a bunch of boring nerds nobody pays attention to. If we can show the world we are more than that. and that we can actually entertain the masses with the drama and rage, then we could make it to national TV shows and compete with the top sport industries of America.


hehe smart comment here, anyway, i don't like Idra's way of thining after watching the video. Manly decision would be quit proplaying by himself if he didn't like it
Ma jae yoon, what else? By.hero next bonjwa
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
May 13 2013 12:48 GMT
#4653
'so far gamers are just a bunch of boring nerds nobody pays attention to. ' - And your solution to this issue is to do what? Not punish Idra and allow him to perpetuate all the worst nerdrage stereotypes?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 12:49:07
May 13 2013 12:48 GMT
#4654
Edit- Triple post wtf :S
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 12:48:56
May 13 2013 12:48 GMT
#4655
Edit- Double post.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 13:02:57
May 13 2013 13:02 GMT
#4656
At the risk of derailing all this anti-EG and/or anti-Idra angst with something positive, seems that Idra will likely start his new casting career by cocasting the next round of ShoutCraft USA with Totalbiscuit, of all people!

Given that they've criticized each other in the past (and the community has invented some drama where none existed too, for good measure!) this should be interesting - Idra did a really good job casting with Jason Lee, who was far more of a Starcraft novice than TB is, in one of the early GSLs, so I reckon this could work fairly well, at least on the part of the casters. How the community reacts is a different matter, given how both personalities seem to provoke a fairly toxic reaction among some vocal Starcraft fans. We'll see!

Link:

WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
May 13 2013 13:04 GMT
#4657
Rofl, Idra's first casting gig is full of the kind of players he thinks are terrible. Been ages since he's cast, he's really, really good at it imo so looking forward to that
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 13 2013 13:05 GMT
#4658
On May 13 2013 20:32 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 14:11 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:
On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality.

Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business.


When exactly?

Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE."
Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award.
Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world.
Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that.
Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today.
Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers.
Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world.

I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game.

You realize all of those players have been fined and lost sponsors right?

Idra could keep playing if he wanted to. Just not for EG.


Notice how they're... you know... still playing. Notice how whenever each of them (besides Vick) got suspended/punished, fans got in arms about it. And it's not like what each of these guys did compared to IdrA, not even close. IdrA posted on a forum. Some of these people went to prison. And STILL the fans of those other leagues actually had the balls to forgive and just watch some good games. Unless someone commits a heinous crime (murder, rape, etc) I could honestly give two shits about their past or popularity as long as that player can perform.


You do realize that Idra could get his head straight and come back to competition a year from now, right? This isn’t the be all end all. Fans and the community(as a whole, of course there will be haters) alike wouldn’t have much of problem. His fans are still his fans.

You keep bringing up examples from professional sports attempting to claim there is some injustice as to what happen, but that is not what took place. Idra didn't enjoy competing at this point in his career, but the money he was offered from EG was to good to pass up. Idra said he also didn't sign with EG again this year. They released him, but he didn't really want to be their anyways. In general, it is not a good idea to employee people who are not happen with their job, regardless of how skill/talented they are.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 13 2013 13:06 GMT
#4659
On May 13 2013 22:02 Aim Here wrote:
At the risk of derailing all this anti-EG and/or anti-Idra angst with something positive, seems that Idra will likely start his new casting career by cocasting the next round of ShoutCraft USA with Totalbiscuit, of all people!

Given that they've criticized each other in the past (and the community has invented some drama where none existed too, for good measure!) this should be interesting - Idra did a really good job casting with Jason Lee, who was far more of a Starcraft novice than TB is, in one of the early GSLs, so I reckon this could work fairly well, at least on the part of the casters. How the community reacts is a different matter, given how both personalities seem to provoke a fairly toxic reaction among some vocal Starcraft fans. We'll see!

Link: https://twitter.com/GennaBain/status/333925135503458304

Majestic. That is going to be one of the most amusing casts in the world. I am beyond excited. TB and Idra love to speak their minds and they both like each other, regardless of what some of the drama queens say.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Simsons2
Profile Joined March 2013
Latvia73 Posts
May 13 2013 13:13 GMT
#4660
Shoutcraft was taking place when Idra was streaming and stealing their views Might be another reason why he's gonna be casting it together with TB
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