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On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality. Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business. When exactly? Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE." Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award. Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world. Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that. Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today. Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers. Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world. I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game.
You realize all of those players have been fined and lost sponsors right?
Idra could keep playing if he wanted to. Just not for EG.
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On May 13 2013 13:36 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 12:51 ZenithM wrote:On May 13 2013 12:32 Foxxan wrote:On May 13 2013 12:28 ZenithM wrote:On May 13 2013 12:11 Sixer wrote:
i find it incredible that you guys don't think anyone who smiles and says "good morning" is being sincere Well, I smile and say "good morning" every morning, and I'm rarely sincere. :D So what do u usually feel when you say those words?iam curius I'm just satisfied to uphold basic courtesy rules and conforming myself to well-established social conventions. Do you really think about every person's morning and deeply wish this particular morning goes well? I sure don't do that :/ you don't need to deeply think about their morning to wish them a good one
Well, you at least need to consider it for more than 2 seconds, which I don't do. In "good morning", the words "good" and "morning" are individually stripped of their first meaning for me. What is left in their combination is just a social greeting, I don't actually wish anybody anything. Of course I even more rarely wish anything bad to anyone :D
But I'm sure some people do actually wish for people they meet to have indeed a morning that is good.
Regardless, you just don't tell someone that you wish for them to get cancer, even more so if you don't mean it.
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Idra comes across like a pretty normal dude - he has always had excellent casting, which was really the only time I ever saw his personality. I'm sure he'll be fine, as much of a pain as the haters are, they also guarantee hype.
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makes enough sense though =).
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IdrA is a good caster but with his behaviour + his history... it could be hard for him.
I can only recommend him to start playing Random. This can both reduce his zerg-imbalanced-tunnel vision and help him deal with his anger issues.
Anyways, IdrA, gl to you, overlord of "a bunch of f*cks."
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Some seriously naive people in here that think cancer comments don't effect people. I'm fairly lucky in that none of my family have had cancer, but watching a friend lose his mum at around 14 wasn't exactly nice. The fact some people wish this disease on anyone is disgraceful.
If you didn't mean it, don't say it. I'm capable of not making horribly offensive jokes, why aren't you? I don't understand how people can still argue that it's acceptable to speak like this to anyone, it's just not right. That said it is obvious from the topic who still has to grow up and who already has. The majority understand, but then there's posts like one on the last page that is pretty much garbage.
People do lash out all the time, but you can still control what you say. The more you apologize for the same thing the less sincere it becomes each time. Saying things like "The trolls have won" when it comes to players who've done this sort of thing over and over is just silly. There's only so long you can defend someone for doing this thing before you just can't do it anymore. Players like Stephano who've made mistakes haven't repeated them, those are the people you should be following. Not players who have no intention of changing or repenting for their actions.
Any Idra fans can answer me this actually. If Idra really did want to sort out his anger, why didn't he hire a different psychologist after getting rid of the bad one? There was no effort to change at all.
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On May 13 2013 14:57 Hey Sean. wrote:
Some seriously naive people in here that think cancer comments don't effect people. I'm fairly lucky in that none of my family have had cancer, but watching a friend lose his mum at around 14 wasn't exactly nice. The fact some people wish this disease on anyone is disgraceful.
If you didn't mean it, don't say it. I'm capable of not making horribly offensive jokes, why aren't you? I don't understand how people can still argue that it's acceptable to speak like this to anyone, it's just not right. That said it is obvious from the topic who still has to grow up and who already has. The majority understand, but then there's posts like one on the last page that is pretty much garbage.
People do lash out all the time, but you can still control what you say. The more you apologize for the same thing the less sincere it becomes each time. Saying things like "The trolls have won" when it comes to players who've done this sort of thing over and over is just silly. There's only so long you can defend someone for doing this thing before you just can't do it anymore. Players like Stephano who've made mistakes haven't repeated them, those are the people you should be following. Not players who have no intention of changing or repenting for their actions.
Any Idra fans can answer me this actually. If Idra really did want to sort out his anger, why didn't he hire a different psychologist after getting rid of the bad one? There was no effort to change at all.
While that may be part of the problem, the fact that people say stuff like that that is, another part is that people actually get offended by the words. I mean, do you take the same offense every time cancer is mentioned in media for instance, in whatever context? If following the same logic, you should. Because the people who say it have no connection whatsoever to your life. They don't know who you are, they don't know what you've done, they problably don't even care. Why get offended by some words floating around in thin air? Just interpret the whole thing as an expression of anger or some other emotion and let it pass. Interpreting it as some kind of attack against you is just odd to me.
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No I'm not going to do that. Mainly because the BBC has never wished me cancer. Your comparison was stupid at best.
Usually though, when it's just some random guy, there's nothing that can be done about it. I can just assume you're some kid, mentally if not physically, at least. When it's someone fairly well known, that toxic behaviour is just unacceptable.
I'm not going to go down the old route people bring up of "If you ignore it, it'll go away" because it doesn't. Just think more about your comparisons before you make up the next one.
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Your comparison was stupid at best.
Indeed it was, he was trying his very best to apply x = y logic to something that is so incomparable it's laughable.
People need to let this go. Greg basically hated SC2 and he's happy to be able to do what he wants outside of EG's control.
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In his own words (from Real Talk) he wanted to say something mean, which means something that will hurt the other person. He says it was something meant to be so over the top that it was obviously just rage talking, but the reason it's such a bad thing to say is that there's a real chance of causing someone pain if they've had some bad life experiences with cancer.
And no, "I want you to get cancer and die" is not the same as any random mention of the disease in the media. Of course.
I think Idra's been through the wringer enough over these comments but arguing that it's perfectly OK to say things like that to people you don't know is pretty out of touch with how reasonable adults behave.
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On May 13 2013 06:24 lookfirewood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:15 crappen wrote:On May 13 2013 03:45 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 13 2013 03:11 JDI1 wrote:
Having been in the CS 1.6 scene and knowing a bit about the LoL scene, gotta say SC nerds are quite a bit more insecure and sensitive to internet insults. We live in a world where drama makes the most money, not being nice. Most people who say GLHF and GG don't mean it anyway - they say it cause it's the norm they're tring to fit in. Mots people that say "good morning" don't really care for how good a morning you might have. Etiquette is important in the world of adults. Only children and the socially retarded don't understand this. Idra is not a child. This etiquette is horrible, I would much rather have someone tell me their true feelings that they wish me cancer and die compared to this false shit "good morning", with a fakeass smile. World of adults is really insane. Children are more sane then grown ups, took me a long time to finally wake up and actually see this. They say things right out, and its ME who goes insane in my mind at take offense instead of actually understanding their question and statements. We are all a bunch of sick fucks, and only admitting how insane we are, can we start to actually work on it. Like alcoholics do, they actually stop denying their problem, and admit they are sick. This post has nothing to do with Idra, and I am sorry for that, but I have to respond to this post! As far as falseness goes I can relate, kids have an inability to "fake" (at least at really young ages). Hence their uprightness. In their aspect of the world they are saying exactly what seems right at the moment, and that amazes me! As a father of a 2 year old I get amazed every day! And quite easily I must admit. But by no means is it because she wishes cancer upon me when not getting candy 8 oclock on a Monday morning. Kids do not do those kind of things unless they are taught to do it, and that's no better than being taught to say "false shit, good mornings", as you call it. If you are offended by what kids say, because they haven't had the chance to develop social skills yet, then I agree with you, that's an issue you will have to work on. But if the same thing happens when you are talking to a 30 year old, then you should be worried about that persons ability to develop as a person. Being able to speak your mind (like a child if you will) is a blessing. But knowing when to do it is where the magic lies. Being smart and saying the right things at the right times is about adaptation. You may charge this with negativity if you like, but saying it's a sickness is your own problem and your own sickness to deal with. Good luck with that.
Thanks for the reply. I would want to clarify, that I do not go around saying these things even when I feel like it. It was put in the context of "I would rather have someone express their anger" kind of statement. If someone wishes me cancer, I would not be offended, and because of this, I can reach out and extend my happiness upon them, not forced, or in a I-am-better-then-you kind of way. They are in pain, and it doesn't help anyone that I get offended. I just want to stop the justification of our anger and being offended, there are NO justifications for being unhappy.
Also if I get offended, I simply look at it, then I have this ability to release it for good.
By putting up these silly masks of politeness we are hiding our anger, denying its existence, occupying our mind with distractions so that we may never see just how insane our mind has become.
When Idra rages as hard as he does, I feel the community reaches out to him, and is curious how he is doing after being kicked out. They want him to be happy now, I sense this. I want him to be happy. I am not worried about Idras ability to develop as a person, I am not even worried, I simply want him to shine again as a being.
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So funny how as simple as "courtesy" has varying importance to people here.
I guess we can forget the GMRC (Good Manners Right Conduct) lessons we learned during primary school.
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On May 13 2013 17:10 Hey Sean. wrote:
No I'm not going to do that. Mainly because the BBC has never wished me cancer. Your comparison was stupid at best.
Usually though, when it's just some random guy, there's nothing that can be done about it. I can just assume you're some kid, mentally if not physically, at least. When it's someone fairly well known, that toxic behaviour is just unacceptable.
I'm not going to go down the old route people bring up of "If you ignore it, it'll go away" because it doesn't. Just think more about your comparisons before you make up the next one.
That "toxic" behavior doesn't mean anything, but it means a lot to the sick mind who uses it as a justification of feeling sick and terrible, getting angry when hearing it. You are justifying that this behavior is unacceptable, let me be angry if I hear it.
And its not about ignoring it, quite the opposite. By allowing yourself to see just how offended you was at someone wishing you cancer, it might bring up old memories and what not, and you can look at it, and allow yourself to let it go. Its so simple, yet your powerful denying can stop that just as easy.
If someone jokes with rapes in a group where one female has been raped, you could look at her reaction, and people would extend their help instead, its actually quite beautiful how everything changes. But if a dumbass wants to turn this into a offended fest telling just how horrible she must feel, and how ashamed you should be.. Well you get the idea.
What Im trying to say is, by shutting down all our emotions and frustration in order to be polite and grown ups, we are hiding and running scared instead.
It does not go away when you justify your internal anger out on something outside of you. It's all in the mind 
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Though his immaturity and crassness have been a source of amusement to me, from time to time, I will not miss him if he fades away into obscurity or retires altogether. Perhaps he can go into casting or do something else with his life. I'm sure 3 years at EG has put him in a better financial situation than most progamers out there.
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I would not be offended, and because of this, I can reach out and extend my happiness upon them, not forced, or in a I-am-better-then-you kind of way. They are in pain, and it doesn't help anyone that I get offended. I just want to stop the justification of our anger and being offended, there are NO justifications for being unhappy.
That's very much in an "I-am-better-than-you" kind of way. It literally reeks of self-importance.
I didn't understand your second post at all though sorry. Although, we're not "shutting down all our emotions", on the contrary, I'm airing mine and my disgust that people say these sorts of things as a passing comment.
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"It does not go away when you justify your internal anger out on something outside of you. It's all in the mind"
LOL... Well, if Idra would take your wise sentence here, this thread would not exist..
You are mixing up cause and effect here, dear.
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Maybe his rage will subside a bit and he'll start playing well again. Good luck anyway
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Meh, bottom line is, a lot of people rage on ladder. It's understandable, we're human beings, we're competitive, losing sucks, especially if we see our opponent as less skilled, and just abusing some cheesy strategy for easy wins. I've raged against people as well, and called them names, although I'd just insult their skill rather than go the cancer route (I get angry, but not that angry).
Thing is, once I cool off, which usually comes quickly, I tend to feel really stupid, and apologize to my opponent if they haven't blocked me yet. Because ultimately I don't really mean the things I say, and I do feel like an asshole for abusing someone because they beat me at a video game. Just saying "Yeah, I was angry." doesn't fly, that's just acknowledging yourself as an asshole.
And yes, I do believe Idra is fundamentally an asshole. Anyone can appear calm and reasonable in a controlled, friendly environment like an interview conducted by a colleague. But that he hadn't felt the need to apologize to Capoch after that comment, and only acknowledged it once it got blown out of proportion, does say a lot about him. So, when he complains about getting a lot of shit from the community and his stream chat, well, you reap what you sow bro. If you're going to be an ass to people, don't whine when some of that comes back to you.
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On May 13 2013 14:11 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality. Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business. When exactly? Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE." Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award. Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world. Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that. Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today. Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers. Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world. I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game. You realize all of those players have been fined and lost sponsors right? Idra could keep playing if he wanted to. Just not for EG.
And these guys that are comparing idra to sports idols, don´t realise
these idols continue to play good and with will to win.
They was not throwing games while the scandals pop, not even after, not even at anytime.
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