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just an observation but seems like most people from europe are very sensitive on the subject whereas in NA, people tend to be more relaxed, lol.
does idra deserve to be removed from the team because he said mean things? i dont want to make that judgement since I don't even know the guy, but pretty much yeah. he was asking for it in a professional stand point and it makes sense.
But I wouldn't say he deserved to be harassed by the mass over the course of several years for his behavior. I mean, that's way worse than saying a simple mean thing after getting frustrated and angry to hurt the other person as a person, to another. In this other case, you have several hundred people probably, harassing the guy for such a long time, I don't see how that is the same. I mean, don't people die because of mass bullying? I don't think people even realize that he is taking so much shit. there's a difference in saying something offensive on the spot, and harassment. It's a natural thing that he would attract such people, but to say he deserves to be harassed like that also tells you what kind of person you are as well and it's much worse than who idra is.
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On May 13 2013 11:51 zeratul_jf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 10:27 Acritter wrote:On May 13 2013 09:47 Obstikal wrote:On May 13 2013 09:27 Hey Sean. wrote:
There's nothing wrong with trash talk
There is something wrong with wishing people cancer
Why don't people understand this when did he wish people cancer? I thought he just called everyone a bunch of fucks He said he wished some guy who beat him got cancer. That was a while back, though. The fucks thing was what precipitated the current state of affairs. If you want another point of reference, he said that David Kim should be raped with a tire iron for making such a bad game while streaming. So some of what Idra does is clearly beyond the pale. Really though? words from forums are hurting people? Everyday people on the internet say they will rape your mother and what not but that doesnt mean that they will do it. Come on he clearly just takes his insults to very descriptive doesnt meant that he actually wants the things that he says to happen. I just ask myself how can someone believe that he actually wishes someone to get cancer. Sometimes i wonder if the people that get offended by this have ever played a game on the internet because frankly i have encountered a person who says crap like this at least once a day in my gaming days. Just how online gaming is
It is this kind of attitude that prevents any mainstream person from accepting eSports as a child's game.
The difference between children and adults is that adults are supposed to mean what they say.
That is a difference between a man and a boy. A man walks his talk and sees things through. Serious business.
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On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality. Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business. When exactly? Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE." Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award. Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world. Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that. Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today. Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers. Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world. I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game.
Dont understand how you can compare that to idras situation. Idra has no results whatsoever and only talks crap. These guys have "personality" AND results. Of course its a lot harder to drop them in that case.
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On May 13 2013 17:55 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 17:10 Hey Sean. wrote:
No I'm not going to do that. Mainly because the BBC has never wished me cancer. Your comparison was stupid at best.
Usually though, when it's just some random guy, there's nothing that can be done about it. I can just assume you're some kid, mentally if not physically, at least. When it's someone fairly well known, that toxic behaviour is just unacceptable.
I'm not going to go down the old route people bring up of "If you ignore it, it'll go away" because it doesn't. Just think more about your comparisons before you make up the next one. That "toxic" behavior doesn't mean anything, but it means a lot to the sick mind who uses it as a justification of feeling sick and terrible, getting angry when hearing it. You are justifying that this behavior is unacceptable, let me be angry if I hear it. And its not about ignoring it, quite the opposite. By allowing yourself to see just how offended you was at someone wishing you cancer, it might bring up old memories and what not, and you can look at it, and allow yourself to let it go. Its so simple, yet your powerful denying can stop that just as easy. If someone jokes with rapes in a group where one female has been raped, you could look at her reaction, and people would extend their help instead, its actually quite beautiful how everything changes. But if a dumbass wants to turn this into a offended fest telling just how horrible she must feel, and how ashamed you should be.. Well you get the idea. What Im trying to say is, by shutting down all our emotions and frustration in order to be polite and grown ups, we are hiding and running scared instead. It does not go away when you justify your internal anger out on something outside of you. It's all in the mind 
The problem with your very twisted theory of human nature is that it assumes that all feelings we actually have are spiteful and savage, so that when we're polite, nice, friendly, it must be masquarade.
Well, wrong. People can fully identify with being polite. People can be polite and by being polite be true to their very own inner selves because they are polite people. You (well, maybe not you, but people generally) can actually say "good morning" and mean it. People can smile to a stranger and mean it. People who don't say they wish others cancer mostly don't constrict themselves in any way - it is simply not in them to wish others cancer.
Also, cultivated behavior offers infinite ways to express dislike, in a great variety of shades and nuances. It is an art, it is fun, it is life, it offers the opportunity for infinite growth (until death, that is), exploration and adventure. You must really hate movies and novels, they are so dishonest. Almost nothing of what they claim is actually "true".
You are also contradicting yourself because if it seems so unnatural to you to find an insult offensive, why would the insulting one even use the insult? It would be pointless then.
You really should spend some time coming to terms with what it means to be human. At the very least you should stop accusing everybody of being dishonest, because that's an insult too.
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On May 13 2013 17:10 Hey Sean. wrote:
No I'm not going to do that. Mainly because the BBC has never wished me cancer. Your comparison was stupid at best.
Usually though, when it's just some random guy, there's nothing that can be done about it. I can just assume you're some kid, mentally if not physically, at least. When it's someone fairly well known, that toxic behaviour is just unacceptable.
I'm not going to go down the old route people bring up of "If you ignore it, it'll go away" because it doesn't. Just think more about your comparisons before you make up the next one.
You just missed the point. Both are examples of expressions of certain words that in no way are connected to your person - they are merely meaningless words floating around in a void - yet you choose to interpret them as such. There's a difference if it's a friend of yours expressing the words, knowing your background and whose intention is to use those exact words to cause harm, otherwise it's just you choosing to get offended.
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232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now?
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On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now?
Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it?
Edit: Typo
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On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now? Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it? Edit: Typo
I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect.
Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition.
So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty.
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On May 13 2013 19:26 Bam Lee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality. Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business. When exactly? Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE." Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award. Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world. Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that. Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today. Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers. Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world. I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game. Dont understand how you can compare that to idras situation. Idra has no results whatsoever and only talks crap. These guys have "personality" AND results. Of course its a lot harder to drop them in that case.
J.R. Smith was just about nothing until last year. Metta hasn't done anything great in about two years plus he PUNCHED fans. He didn't go on a forum and talked trash about his haters. He literally punched FANS and got into fights with them.. Michael Vick literally did not play for about 3 years since he was in prison. In a scene as lopsided as the SC2 scene not even greatness could outshine that history. However, unlike SC2, the NFL cares more about results than popularity so Vick got back. Rasheed Wallace was pretty much a dead weight this season on the Knicks when he wasn't injured all the time; didn't do much when he was healthy. He's been a deadweight pretty much since he left the Pistons.
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On May 13 2013 19:58 Mouzone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 17:10 Hey Sean. wrote:
No I'm not going to do that. Mainly because the BBC has never wished me cancer. Your comparison was stupid at best.
Usually though, when it's just some random guy, there's nothing that can be done about it. I can just assume you're some kid, mentally if not physically, at least. When it's someone fairly well known, that toxic behaviour is just unacceptable.
I'm not going to go down the old route people bring up of "If you ignore it, it'll go away" because it doesn't. Just think more about your comparisons before you make up the next one. You just missed the point. Both are examples of expressions of certain words that in no way are connected to your person - they are merely meaningless words floating around in a void - yet you choose to interpret them as such. There's a difference if it's a friend of yours expressing the words, knowing your background and whose intention is to use those exact words to cause harm, otherwise it's just you choosing to get offended.
Are you honestly in good faith trying to make this argument?
1) words are "in a vaccume" if the BBC is just reading random words on their own. Or idra randomly shouts out "cancer!" for no reason whatsoever. But they are not. The vcontext gives meaning. The word cancer in a news report about cancer research is completely different from "I hope you die of cancer."
2) are you saying that if a person who lost a mother to cancer gets angry at idra telling someone else to die Dr cancer, since it isn't directed personally at them, they ate just "choosing to get angry?" Do you really honestly think there's nothing wrong with that? Like maybe how publicly joking about cancer and rape belittles the awful struggle of people who actually have tthese things?
Please don't throw out common sense for the sake of sticking to your guns in an e-debate
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On May 13 2013 20:12 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now? Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it? Edit: Typo I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect. Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition. So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty.
So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right?
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On May 13 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:12 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now? Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it? Edit: Typo I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect. Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition. So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty. So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right?
If they were spending it on "I hope you die of cancer" and "You all are a bunch of fucks" and ragequitting in a major tournament.
A big loud, YES.
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On May 13 2013 14:11 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality. Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business. When exactly? Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE." Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award. Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world. Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that. Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today. Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers. Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world. I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game. You realize all of those players have been fined and lost sponsors right? Idra could keep playing if he wanted to. Just not for EG.
Notice how they're... you know... still playing. Notice how whenever each of them (besides Vick) got suspended/punished, fans got in arms about it. And it's not like what each of these guys did compared to IdrA, not even close. IdrA posted on a forum. Some of these people went to prison. And STILL the fans of those other leagues actually had the balls to forgive and just watch some good games. Unless someone commits a heinous crime (murder, rape, etc) I could honestly give two shits about their past or popularity as long as that player can perform.
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On May 13 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right?
But at least they don't trashtalk so hard as IdrA does.
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On May 13 2013 20:31 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 20:12 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now? Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it? Edit: Typo I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect. Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition. So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty. So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right? If they were spending it on "I hope you die of cancer" and "You all are a bunch of fucks" and ragequitting in a major tournament. A big loud, YES.
You missed point. By a long shot. *Facepalm* And I like how you didn't even know of his clarification of his comments. The cancer one was an over-exaggeration of his feelings for the purpose of comedy and the "you're a bunch of fucks" was directed at butthurt haters like you. And this is exactly my point. You guys don't respect players for their skill, achievements, or results. You only care about their personality. This is why the community is pretty much dead to me. Hell, people disrespect NaNiwa 24/7 and he's probably the second greatest foreigner ever.
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On May 13 2013 20:32 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 14:11 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 13 2013 13:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 13:24 s_bushido wrote:On May 13 2013 13:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Last time I checked the most popular sports are the ones that have some personality. Why do you think NFL, MLB, and NBA are so popular--because their players actually have some fucking personality. Yes, and they get dropped by sponsors and fined by their team or the league when their "personality" is deemed detrimental to the business. When exactly? Last time I checked the biggest trash talker of all time Rasheed Wallace is still playing basketball professionally on the New York Knicks "Ball DON'T LIE." Last time I checked J.R. Smith talked about having sexual intercourse with a minor--he's still on the Knicks and he won this year's Sixth Man of the Year award. Last time I checked Yankees players are the most arrogant people of all time--still the highest paid professional baseball players in the world. Last time I checked Kobe Bryant got involved in a sex scandal in 2004, he won two championships after that. Last time I checked Michael Vick got CONVICTED for animal abuse or something along those lines. He's one of the premier NFL quarterbacks today. Last time I checked Metta World Peace/Ron Artest is the most violent person in all sports (he punched FANS). He's still playing professionally for the Lakers. Last time I checked Floyd Mayweather gets legal issues almost all the time. He's widely considered the best pound-for-pound boxer and the most valuable boxer in the world. I can keep going if you want me to. The point is: This community needs to fucking grow a pair. Who cares about drama? Just watch the fucking game. You realize all of those players have been fined and lost sponsors right? Idra could keep playing if he wanted to. Just not for EG. Notice how they're... you know... still playing. Notice how whenever each of them (besides Vick) got suspended/punished, fans got in arms about it. And it's not like what each of these guys did compared to IdrA, not even close. IdrA posted on a forum. Some of these people went to prison. And STILL the fans of those other leagues actually had the balls to forgive and just watch some good games. Unless someone commits a heinous crime (murder, rape, etc) I could honestly give two shits about their past or popularity as long as that player can perform.
I don't sre why you are so upset. Why is it too much to ask that players behave? And this isn't the community freaking out on an independent event. He has been acting this way for years. And really idra can still play. He isn't banned from the game. He just can't play for eg.
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You guys keep proving my point again and again. You don't care about his achievements you just care about his fucking personality. You proved it when you talked about fucking BoxeR and NaDa. You guys said you won't respect THEM anymore if they start being like IdrA. This community makes absolutely no sense anymore. Hell, right now, half of you are NaNiwa fanboys but as soon as he starts trash talking, everyone becomes a critic. Get some fucking lives. We're watching people COMPETE in video games. We're not watching soap operas. Last time I checked Michael Jordan talked trash 24/7 during his prime. Last time I checked, people still respected him.
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On May 13 2013 20:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:31 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 20:12 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now? Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it? Edit: Typo I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect. Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition. So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty. So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right? If they were spending it on "I hope you die of cancer" and "You all are a bunch of fucks" and ragequitting in a major tournament. A big loud, YES. You missed point. By a long shot. *Facepalm* And I like how you didn't even know of his clarification of his comments. The cancer one was an over-exaggeration of his feelings for the purpose of comedy and the "you're a bunch of fucks" was directed at butthurt haters like you. And this is exactly my point. You guys don't respect players for their skill, achievements, or results. You only care about their personality. This is why the community is pretty much dead to me. Hell, people disrespect NaNiwa 24/7 and he's probably the second greatest foreigner ever.
Except idra doesn't have any relevant contemporary results... His past deeds only go so far. And anyway I don't get this division between results and personality in the first place. Ppeople respect boxer because of his great personality and results. Same for nada and many of the old generation. People still respect mvp because of his results and his never say die personality.
I don't get your angst over results... Idra comes as a person. If he talks shit but has good results, people can look over that. But if he isn't getting results and still insists on insulting his own fan base... Overall that is really hard to like.
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On May 13 2013 20:44 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 20:31 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 20:12 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now? Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it? Edit: Typo I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect. Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition. So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty. So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right? If they were spending it on "I hope you die of cancer" and "You all are a bunch of fucks" and ragequitting in a major tournament. A big loud, YES. You missed point. By a long shot. *Facepalm* And I like how you didn't even know of his clarification of his comments. The cancer one was an over-exaggeration of his feelings for the purpose of comedy and the "you're a bunch of fucks" was directed at butthurt haters like you. And this is exactly my point. You guys don't respect players for their skill, achievements, or results. You only care about their personality. This is why the community is pretty much dead to me. Hell, people disrespect NaNiwa 24/7 and he's probably the second greatest foreigner ever. Except idra doesn't have any relevant contemporary results... His past deeds only go so far. And anyway I don't get this division between results and personality in the first place. Ppeople respect boxer because of his great personality and results. Same for nada and many of the old generation. People still respect mvp because of his results and his never say die personality. I don't get your angst over results... Idra comes as a person. If he talks shit but has good results, people can look over that. But if he isn't getting results and still insists on insulting his own fan base... Overall that is really hard to like.
Keep proving my point. Yet you'll stop respecting BoxeR and NaDa if they talked trash right. Real sports and e-sports fans don't give two shits about personality. We only care about good games.
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On May 13 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
You guys keep proving my point again and again. You don't care about his achievements you just care about his fucking personality. You proved it when you talked about fucking BoxeR and NaDa. You guys said you won't respect THEM anymore if they start being like IdrA. This community makes absolutely no sense anymore. Hell, right now, half of you are NaNiwa fanboys but as soon as he starts trash talking, everyone becomes a critic. Get some fucking lives. We're watching people COMPETE in video games. We're not watching soap operas. Last time I checked Michael Jordan talked trash 24/7 during his prime. Last time I checked, people still respected him.
Let's not kid ourselves... Idra may have made some contributions to the bw scene but comparing him to the likes of boxer, nada, and Michael Jordan...
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