EPTCall to Action: May 2 Balance Testing - Page 21
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Zazzles
Slovakia153 Posts
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
On May 03 2013 21:55 ZenithM wrote: I admit that as a Terran, I would trade our Banshee for this buffed Oracle :D And I like banshees, and it's not often that I think other races' units are better. Banshee could probably use some tweaks. I'm always in favor of bringing unused units back. It's probably because Starport is better served for Ubervacs right now. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 03 2013 22:07 Zazzles wrote: I think oracle speed should be an upgrade at core for lets say 150/150 so they are not to good in early game but more effective in later stages in game In later stages of the game there is most likely a turret/spore at each base anyways, so no one would get the upgrade then, I think. I don't think an oracle buff is needed at all (_maybe_ a slight acceleration increase so it's a bit easier to react to a mine in the split second between becoming visible and triggering). | ||
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DoNuTs84
Denmark24 Posts
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remember87
Sweden144 Posts
- Burrow change might be a bit too much. There will definitely come new cool strategies based on this, but it might be too much, time will tell. 75/75 could have been enough imo. I actually think this buff may have as large an impact as the queen buff. Imo burrow is not used enough and when it is, zerg will become a much bigger threat. - The oracle change is too much. Buff the speed or the acceleration, not both. This forces people to play in a certain way that will be boring to watch after a while. Right now I only want to see a slight nerf on the radius of the splash damage of the widow mine and that medivacs stop healing hellbats. Then I think the balance is perfect. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
Although it is kind of funny that Terran players cry so much about this, while medivac boost allows them to do the same thing throughout the entire game. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
recognising that a proxy may be on the map is a skill, but actually FINDING it is luck. and what could it be? could it be a VR all in, proxy immortals, oracles, or even a dark shrine? to the player who is not a professional they can all look pretty darn similar. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 03 2013 22:10 ACrow wrote: In later stages of the game there is most likely a turret/spore at each base anyways, so no one would get the upgrade then, I think. I don't think an oracle buff is needed at all (_maybe_ a slight acceleration increase so it's a bit easier to react to a mine in the split second between becoming visible and triggering). I would like acceleration just to make the unit a little snappier. The oracle is super quick, but feels kind of sluggish when you use it to attack or switch targets. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On May 03 2013 22:13 suicideyear wrote: bring back goliaths and wraiths Would trade my left nut for a Lurker or two, and while we are at it, can we have the defiler back too. Vipers are soo meh Edit : The change to Oracle looks really good, it micros very well now | ||
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People_0f_Color
177 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 03 2013 22:34 People_0f_Color wrote: How are people so mad about the burrow change? This might make tunneling claws rushes viable, which would be cool to see. Really, the only way You are going to block someone's nat is if they take a late expansion, and in that case they are putting on hyper aggression. To invest in burrow against hyper aggression already means you are taking a huge risk to inflict damage. Well, I can see how you cancel a 1gate expand with zerglings and then block it. But I dont think 1gate PvZ will stay popular anyways, with how much shit it allows Z to do. | ||
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AwM
United States80 Posts
Burrow- I think that it is a big drop that would change a lot of early game for all zerg matchups. Though i also think they could change it to 100/50 to receive a similar early game. Oracle- I think it should get one or the other, not both. Or maybe even have it be an upgrade that you can get not long after being able to build oracles. This buff seems too strong | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Spore buff is a hell of a ugly change but i guess it might work. I still doubt roach/hydra will compete with muta ling though. Muta still excel at stopping new bases and they trade fairly well with hydra's still. Burrow change is interesting, i'm always in favor of buffing these small utility spells. 50/50 still makes it a small decision as to when to get it. I doubt any aggressive strats will spawn from this though, it's more likely it will just become a utility upgrade you get every game to delay expansions and save workers/queens. Speaking of which, burrow will probably be quite a nice answer to oracle harass, just burrow drones and then burrow queen after it's about half dead. Oracle is out of energy by that time anyway. Oracle change in itself is fine, the unit could need a small buff. Still stargate in general is a bit poorly designed. It remains quite useless in PvT, you have a harass/scout unit now that is still easily stopped but just super strong when coming as a suprise. Still nothing else at the stargate is of remote use in PvT, phoenixes are lousy at stopping drops and all units are like paper against bio compositions. PvZ oracle is just pretty much insane now, it can run safely from even mutalisks now. Oracle harass should definately be replacing phoenix harass in that matchup, especially if detection might be more crucial. PvP moves even more to stargate openings I guess, DT much less of a risk with this mobility and you can threaten against gateway builds much more by just having an oracle that will wipe their mineral line if they move out. Can't see much reason not to go stargate now, the trick just being what to make from it. It will be sad to see more phoenix mirrors which are 10x worse than muta mirrors. | ||
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freewareplayer
Germany403 Posts
Thats way too much dmg, you cant ever enter a base which has just 1 spore, unless you already have a massive muta count and outplayed him to crap, but how you will do that without harassing him is another question. Muta will be map control tool only. Definetly a stupid change. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 03 2013 22:55 Butterednuts wrote: omg, i can't wait to research burrow first and send a zergling to burrow under where they would wall off. Maybe if I do it early enough I can do it right where they would expand. Finally I might be able to beat terran again with which build order against which build order? I mean, if you do it of hatch first, a Terran can just put down his expo at the natural from a 1rax, 1rax reaper or CC first opening long before burrow is done. If you do it of a 1base build, you are going 1base without queen. That's only 4units per minute, with the research taking 100seconds... I think in the best case you can come up with some 12-14pool opening get a queen, get the burrow behind it and maybe pull it of against a overly frightened Terran and even that sounds ridiculous to me right now (100seconds research, gas and a delayed natural just to force a scan). | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On May 03 2013 23:07 Big J wrote: with which build order against which build order? I mean, if you do it of hatch first, a Terran can just put down his expo at the natural from a 1rax, 1rax reaper or CC first opening long before burrow is done. If you do it of a 1base build, you are going 1base without queen. That's only 4units per minute, with the research taking 100seconds... I think in the best case you can come up with some 12-14pool opening get a queen, get the burrow behind it and maybe pull it of against a overly frightened Terran and even that sounds ridiculous to me right now (100seconds research, gas and a delayed natural just to force a scan). 1 hatch burrow. To counter 14CC. Terran can't place his CC at his expand because it's ling blocked. He rages and quits. This is how new meta is born. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/397867140?t=74m25s | ||
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mk.ultra
United States54 Posts
On May 03 2013 22:30 Topdoller wrote: Would trade my left nut for a Lurker or two, and while we are at it, can we have the defiler back too. Vipers are soo meh Edit : The change to Oracle looks really good, it micros very well now While we're at it let's just go back to Brood War in the SC2 engine lol | ||
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