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On May 02 2013 01:18 Spektor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:01 Blargh wrote:On May 02 2013 00:19 Snorkle wrote:
What a farce WCSNA would be if it was all koreans playing from korea on korean sever. It clearly states what server the tournament will be on don't cry about it later. (It's a farce right now) Assuming they allowed the KR server to be used for KR vs. KR players, I still do not think a huge amount of Koreans would switch over. Qualifying for it would be a huge risk when they are already qualified for a WCS. Plus, it's not like they would have no latency (KR server) for a majority of their matches (there will always be more Americans playing WCS AM than Koreans...) so that likely wouldn't happen. I'm sure Major thought WCS would be intelligent enough to let them play KR server since they are both in KR currently. He should have known that they were retarded!! And for all of the people saying "Well you wouldn't have noticed if it was cross-server anyway", that argument is total shit. We wouldn't "notice" because we have no way of knowing what mistakes were because the player messed up or if it was the latency. It can ONLY make the match worse, which is stupid. The players are STILL affected by this, and it's a large nuisance playing cross-server, if you've ever tried. Microing properly is much harder with 300ms lag than it is with 75ms lag. And the players are the biggest concern with a tournament since they are the ones that actually bring the views, so you should probably accommodate them with shit like this. Zzzzzzz... you people. On May 02 2013 01:00 Spektor wrote:On May 02 2013 00:54 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. I really didn't expect that or assumed that the teams had contacted MLG about the issue. Creating a forum thread is the least professional way to handle the problem. It must be awesome to come into work the next day and find this thing that you weren't even aware of when you left work the day before. I agree, and I believe this was talked about before with people contacting sponsors instead of going to the team itself. All it does is rile people up, like the purpose of this thread, instead of discussing their complaints with the actual organization. Assuming they talked with the organization directly and they still said "no" (sounds like what happened...?) then having a thread just like this is an indicator of what MLG should do if they want to please their fans and players. If you have a thread about a decision you made with 75% of people saying it's retarded and the other 25% being retarded, then you might want to reconsider your decision for the future or even immediately. MAYBE WE SHOULD CONTACT MLG'S SPONSORS AND TELL THEM THEIR DECISIONS WERE TOTALLY RETARDED AND NEVER BUY PEPSI AGAIN (is Pepsi even their sponsor any more? Hell if I know). Try posing an argument with out all the "retarded" and the caps/exaggeration and maybe we can talk about this. Also, MLG_Adam has stated that TL did not contact them and made this thread before communication.
Waxangel does not represent Team Liquid, the professional gaming team.
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Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want?
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This thread will forever stand as a monument to the maturity of the Starcraft scene, like the Colossus of Rhodes in ages past.
*snirk*
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On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself.
I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community."
This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue.
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On May 02 2013 01:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community." This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue.
On May 02 2013 01:21 Bumblebee wrote:
Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want?
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On May 02 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:23 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community." This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue. Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:21 Bumblebee wrote:
Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want?
That is pretty much a case of having your cake and eating it too. "The people who work for our website that also has the same name as our team are not affiliated with the team. Also, we advertise for the team on that website and broadcast all MLGs events through that site as well. But they aren't affiliated with the team directly." I wouldn't accept an argument like that from Blizzard, MLG or any other business out there.
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On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region.
then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem.
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On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem.
For example the guy casting from a couch in Krefeld can do it 
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United States994 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem.
They are not in WCS.
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I've got no issue with this, if they didn't want to play on NA maybe they shouldn't have joined WCS NA?
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On May 02 2013 01:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:
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Look at next groups to play
Look at OP
Look at next groups to play
Look again
my theory:
HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers.
TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community." This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue. On May 02 2013 01:21 Bumblebee wrote:
Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want? That is pretty much a case of having your cake and eating it too. "The people who work for our website that also has the same name as our team are not affiliated with the team. Also, we advertise for the team on that website and broadcast all MLGs events through that site as well. But they aren't affiliated with the team directly." I wouldn't accept an argument like that from Blizzard, MLG or any other business out there.
They are separate entities, he works for the site not the team it's pretty clear.....
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On May 02 2013 01:30 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem. They are not in WCS.
See my post above. They do.
Edit: Nice edit; you original post said "They aren't".
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To everyone wondering, the community website and the team is two different things. We do live under the same tag, but we're not dependant on eachother. You don't see our team's news be frontpaged as normal TLnet news and so forth, we have a seperate website for that called TeamLiquidPro. The same goes for the staff. WaxAngel is not responsible to keep things to himself because the team should do something differently. WaxAngel did contact me yesterday about it and said what's up with this and what do you know and we had a quick chat about it. And then I shot a message to MLG and got the response that there was nothing I could do about it. I do think that this should have been discussed privately -- at least from a team standpoint -- and come up with a solution.
Adam and I are going to have a talk about in private and eventually it might result in a more official mail from either me or Victor on the matter, depending on what happens.
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it doesnt matter, this should be just changed to KCG Korean Cyber Games anyways
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United States33418 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region.
Logistically your argument doesn't hold water. There's region switching built right into the client, and your commercial breaks are more than long enough to accommodate it.
I don't understand how even MLG admins are focusing more on some imaginary sense of regionalism, rather than trying to create the best possible competitive environment so you can show the viewers the best possible games. Clearly, that was on your mind when you brought in popular and skilled international players in the first place. So why not let them play the best games they can?
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On May 02 2013 01:31 Bumblebee wrote:
WaxAngel did contact me yesterday about it and said what's up with this and what do you know and we had a quick chat about it. And then I shot a message to MLG and got the response that there was nothing I could do about it.
WaxAngel got an answer he didn't like so he decided to try to use the TL community against MLG, I'm not sure you can argue that there's a seperation between the team and the community staff when stuff like this happens.
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On May 02 2013 01:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:
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Look at next groups to play
Look at OP
Look at next groups to play
Look again
my theory:
HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers.
TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community." This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue. On May 02 2013 01:21 Bumblebee wrote:
Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want? That is pretty much a case of having your cake and eating it too. "The people who work for our website that also has the same name as our team are not affiliated with the team. Also, we advertise for the team on that website and broadcast all MLGs events through that site as well. But they aren't affiliated with the team directly." I wouldn't accept an argument like that from Blizzard, MLG or any other business out there.
I don't know why that is not acceptable. The team and the website is two different things, two different companies owned by the same person. We happen to share a brand and yes, you are right, we are here together but as stated in my post just above this one it was brought to our attention, but WaxAngel is completely free to do what he thinks is suitable as the editor in chief and for the community site side. If he wants to report and call people out, then that's his thing. I am not or don't want to be responsible for that.
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i love how Korean kick ass in WCG NA and see how people cry about their favorite NA players
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On May 02 2013 01:34 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:31 Bumblebee wrote:
WaxAngel did contact me yesterday about it and said what's up with this and what do you know and we had a quick chat about it. And then I shot a message to MLG and got the response that there was nothing I could do about it. WaxAngel got an answer he didn't like so he decided to try to use the TL community against MLG, I'm not sure you can argue that there's a seperation between the team and the community staff when stuff like this happens.
This thread could have been created by anyone else and had the same effect.
also @ MLG the tournament isn't region locked so you should be catering to all your players, I don't see why you aren't. The argument "but this is WCS na" is invalid when you have international players in the tournament, it's not wcs na at all.
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On May 02 2013 01:31 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:30 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem. They are not in WCS. See my post above. They do. Edit: Nice edit; you original post said "They aren't".
In WCS right now they are not swapping servers in any of the regions. EU competes on EU, NA on NA, etc. etc.
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