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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:21 xdesertfisch wrote: i think it makes complete sense to me: if you are chosing NA as your region, you might as well deal with the lag. You dont want the lag? Go and play in Korea! Haha, when I look at it that way, I don't mind it. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote: TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Exactly. All the 'This is WCS NA' has been said, but people should also realize that the players are not the only ones affected. The casters, obs, etc would all have to be moved to the KR server for any games affected by this issue, which greatly increases the chances of miscommunication, stream delays, technical issues, etc. If you want to play in the NA rounds, you have to play in NA. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote: TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. I really didn't expect that or assumed that the teams had contacted MLG about the issue. Creating a forum thread is the least professional way to handle the problem. It must be awesome to come into work the next day and find this thing that you weren't even aware of when you left work the day before. | ||
MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote: so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). | ||
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BaaL`
297 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote: so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. Well he did say they are working very hard to improve, I guess he means they are busy with other stuff? But I don't think TL team manager made the thread, just some guy that saw the tweet. | ||
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Tppz!
Germany1449 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote: TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/players check your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. | ||
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:54 Plansix wrote: I really didn't expect that or assumed that the teams had contacted MLG about the issue. Creating a forum thread is the least professional way to handle the problem. It must be awesome to come into work the next day and find this thing that you weren't even aware of when you left work the day before. I agree, and I believe this was talked about before with people contacting sponsors instead of going to the team itself. All it does is rile people up, like the purpose of this thread, instead of discussing their complaints with the actual organization. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:19 Snorkle wrote: What a farce WCSNA would be if it was all koreans playing from korea on korean sever. It clearly states what server the tournament will be on don't cry about it later. (It's a farce right now) Assuming they allowed the KR server to be used for KR vs. KR players, I still do not think a huge amount of Koreans would switch over. Qualifying for it would be a huge risk when they are already qualified for a WCS. Plus, it's not like they would have no latency (KR server) for a majority of their matches (there will always be more Americans playing WCS AM than Koreans...) so that likely wouldn't happen. I'm sure Major thought WCS would be intelligent enough to let them play KR server since they are both in KR currently. He should have known that they were retarded!! And for all of the people saying "Well you wouldn't have noticed if it was cross-server anyway", that argument is total shit. We wouldn't "notice" because we have no way of knowing what mistakes were because the player messed up or if it was the latency. It can ONLY make the match worse, which is stupid. The players are STILL affected by this, and it's a large nuisance playing cross-server, if you've ever tried. Microing properly is much harder with 300ms lag than it is with 75ms lag. And the players are the biggest concern with a tournament since they are the ones that actually bring the views, so you should probably accommodate them with shit like this. Zzzzzzz... you people. On May 02 2013 01:00 Spektor wrote: I agree, and I believe this was talked about before with people contacting sponsors instead of going to the team itself. All it does is rile people up, like the purpose of this thread, instead of discussing their complaints with the actual organization. Assuming they talked with the organization directly and they still said "no" (sounds like what happened...?) then having a thread just like this is an indicator of what MLG should do if they want to please their fans and players. If you have a thread about a decision you made with 75% of people saying it's retarded and the other 25% being retarded, then you might want to reconsider your decision for the future or even immediately. MAYBE WE SHOULD CONTACT MLG'S SPONSORS AND TELL THEM THEIR DECISIONS WERE TOTALLY RETARDED AND NEVER BUY PEPSI AGAIN (is Pepsi even their sponsor any more? Hell if I know). | ||
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Vashalgrim
United States77 Posts
MLG_Adam If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. Sounds reasonable to me. I always thought it was quite clear that that was the way it was going to work. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote: Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/players check your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote: Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
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askmc70
United States722 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote: I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote: That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote: Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. | ||
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GeneralSnoop
United States142 Posts
However, it is clear by Blizzard not region-locking the tournaments and statements that they have made, that their goal is not to determine the best American players, the best European players, and the best Korean players and then have a finals with the best of the 3 regions. They have said many times that they are fine with Korean players playing in the other regions, and their goal is determine 1 global champion at their grand finals event. They located one server in NA, one in EU, and one in KR so that anyone from around the world would have a chance to compete with low latency and low travel time to the offline portions of the events. It was to PROMOTE GLOBAL COMPETITION, NOT SO THAT WE COULD DETERMINE THE BEST NA AND EU PLAYERS. If it is a Korean vs an American in WCS AM, then it is always played on the NA server, because this is where Blizzard stated Americans could compete without lag. This is why there three regions; everyone can compete. This is a global tournament. It is about a global champion. It makes no sense to prevent two people living in Korea from playing on the Korean server TL;DR: multiple regions are only there to promote global competition, not prevent it. WCS is a global tournament, not a local one. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote: I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
guess i was wrong. the whole WCS thing brings the worst from almost everyone. this is essentialy thirty pages of "lets be total assholes, that will show them for ruining our dream local tournament." because that is exactly what saying that they should play on the NA server amounts to. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote: I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). you clearly made a snide remark: TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. for all i know waxangel (not a team manager) had the communities best interest at heart reporting this tweet (by major, not a teamliquid player)... not that it matters. the issue raised is still a valid one. forcing two players in korea (who are already in the tourney) to play on the north american server would lessen the quality of the series. | ||
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:01 Blargh wrote: (It's a farce right now) Assuming they allowed the KR server to be used for KR vs. KR players, I still do not think a huge amount of Koreans would switch over. Qualifying for it would be a huge risk when they are already qualified for a WCS. Plus, it's not like they would have no latency (KR server) for a majority of their matches (there will always be more Americans playing WCS AM than Koreans...) so that likely wouldn't happen. I'm sure Major thought WCS would be intelligent enough to let them play KR server since they are both in KR currently. He should have known that they were retarded!! And for all of the people saying "Well you wouldn't have noticed if it was cross-server anyway", that argument is total shit. We wouldn't "notice" because we have no way of knowing what mistakes were because the player messed up or if it was the latency. It can ONLY make the match worse, which is stupid. The players are STILL affected by this, and it's a large nuisance playing cross-server, if you've ever tried. Microing properly is much harder with 300ms lag than it is with 75ms lag. And the players are the biggest concern with a tournament since they are the ones that actually bring the views, so you should probably accommodate them with shit like this. Zzzzzzz... you people. Assuming they talked with the organization directly and they still said "no" (sounds like what happened...?) then having a thread just like this is an indicator of what MLG should do if they want to please their fans and players. If you have a thread about a decision you made with 75% of people saying it's retarded and the other 25% being retarded, then you might want to reconsider your decision for the future or even immediately. MAYBE WE SHOULD CONTACT MLG'S SPONSORS AND TELL THEM THEIR DECISIONS WERE TOTALLY RETARDED AND NEVER BUY PEPSI AGAIN (is Pepsi even their sponsor any more? Hell if I know). Try posing an argument with out all the "retarded" and the caps/exaggeration and maybe we can talk about this. Also, MLG_Adam has stated that TL did not contact them and made this thread before communication. | ||
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