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On May 01 2013 23:36 Nyvis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 23:02 Doodsmack wrote:
If they want to chase easy money instead of facing the toughest competition in the league they're invested in, they should realize that they have to play on the server where the league and players are based. They're not going to be catered to.
We are speaking of a match between two players in korea.All talks about advantages or incentives are irrelevant: the question is only asked when both players are outside of the US! Of course, they agree to play on NA when one player is in NA. But here, it only lowers the quality of the match.
Posted this earlier, but just to reiterate the point that I believe some are trying to make (not my own opinion)
As time goes by > More Korean players in WCS AM > More matches available to be played on Korean server since both are Koreans anyway > Further influx > WCS KR2
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On May 01 2013 23:39 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 23:22 shid0x wrote:
I usually not agree with MLG but in this case they are the one who are right.
You want to play WCS NA ? Then at least play on NA.
Even if both live in korea it shouldn't matter. What if they both recited the Pledge of Allegiance before playing the game instead? Or played on Kor server from a US military base in Korea? Surely there is some compromise to be made here
So why wouldn't all the player go to korea and then play WCS NA from there ?
Because you know,korea is the best place to train...
MLG is right and major is just ''butthurt'' i think,if they allow it ONCE then the gate is open to massive abuse,eveyrone will just go to korea and play from there.
No,just no.
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Since it's WCS NA, the casters are from NA also. Why should the casters lag? It would be even worse for the viewers.
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On May 01 2013 23:42 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 23:39 floor exercise wrote:On May 01 2013 23:22 shid0x wrote:
I usually not agree with MLG but in this case they are the one who are right.
You want to play WCS NA ? Then at least play on NA.
Even if both live in korea it shouldn't matter. What if they both recited the Pledge of Allegiance before playing the game instead? Or played on Kor server from a US military base in Korea? Surely there is some compromise to be made here So why wouldn't all the player go to korea and then play WCS NA from there ? Because you know,korea is the best place to train... MLG is right and major is just ''butthurt'' i think,if they allow it ONCE then the gate is open to massive abuse,eveyrone will just go to korea and play from there. No,just no.
If not a single person living in either American continent can beat a Korean playing playing from Korea maybe NA doesn't deserve a WCS bracket...
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On May 01 2013 23:42 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 23:39 floor exercise wrote:On May 01 2013 23:22 shid0x wrote:
I usually not agree with MLG but in this case they are the one who are right.
You want to play WCS NA ? Then at least play on NA.
Even if both live in korea it shouldn't matter. What if they both recited the Pledge of Allegiance before playing the game instead? Or played on Kor server from a US military base in Korea? Surely there is some compromise to be made here So why wouldn't all the player go to korea and then play WCS NA from there ? Because you know,korea is the best place to train... MLG is right and major is just ''butthurt'' i think,if they allow it ONCE then the gate is open to massive abuse,eveyrone will just go to korea and play from there. No,just no.
Well at some point one might reach the conclusion that allowing people who aren't from NA or reside in NA to play in the "NA" tournament was a bad idea all along.
I just don't see the benefit of compounding bad decisions like this, as if turning it into an even greater charade will somehow aid the legitimacy of WCS
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On May 01 2013 23:44 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 23:42 shid0x wrote:On May 01 2013 23:39 floor exercise wrote:On May 01 2013 23:22 shid0x wrote:
I usually not agree with MLG but in this case they are the one who are right.
You want to play WCS NA ? Then at least play on NA.
Even if both live in korea it shouldn't matter. What if they both recited the Pledge of Allegiance before playing the game instead? Or played on Kor server from a US military base in Korea? Surely there is some compromise to be made here So why wouldn't all the player go to korea and then play WCS NA from there ? Because you know,korea is the best place to train... MLG is right and major is just ''butthurt'' i think,if they allow it ONCE then the gate is open to massive abuse,eveyrone will just go to korea and play from there. No,just no. If not a single person living in either American continent can beat a Korean playing playing from Korea maybe NA doesn't deserve a WCS bracket...
This is another debate.
What i'm trying to point out here is that MLG knows this decision will be perceived as ''bad'' by the player and spectator perspective,but on the other hand they showed the players and everyone that they should not take the decision of their WCS region lightly to prevent abuse.
It sounds a bit harsh but that's how the world works.
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Both sides of the argument are valid, but in a longer term sense it makes sense to play in NA. As the proportion of Koreans in WCS Americas increases (as it most likely will), it wouldn't be long before the majority of games are KR-KR. And sorry, but it makes no sense to have a NA tournament (of which there is a Korean analogue) to be played predominantly on Korean servers.
If you want to play in a regional tournament, you should play IN THAT REGION. You can equate it to the World Cup - just because your entire group is European does not mean you get to play your matches in Europe if the WC is in Brazil. Sorry, doesn't work that way.
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Why does everyone believe these games will be so 'sub-par'? People play from KR to NA all the time, while streaming, and they play amazingly.
It wasn't too long ago that there was a blizzard employee on State of the Game. I only caught more or less the tail end of the show, but they talked about making choosing a region a real commitment, via live events, which would involve moving to their region of play. They chose to play in NA, so they damn well better play in NA.
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yeah i'm all for this decision, live in korea, play in korea. can't have your cake and eat it too
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How is this different from an actual event? What is the issue? It like the Olympics setting a venue in USA, and you are qualified to participate in the Olympics. Then when your time comes, you and your neighbor want to complain about going the sporting venue because you could do it "locally"?
I mean, sure this is a video game which could be played anywhere but still, the organizer has a right to dictate the "venue of play". It shouldn't even be an issue in the first place.
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On May 01 2013 23:50 Faveokatro wrote:
If you want to play in a regional tournament, you should play IN THAT REGION. You can equate it to the World Cup
Actually, we have this thing called the internet that allows people from all around the world to compete together despite living thousands of kilometres away from each other. Crazy, I know.
On May 01 2013 23:50 Faveokatro wrote:
just because your entire group is European does not mean you get to play your matches in Europe if the WC is in Brazil. Sorry, doesn't work that way.
The World Cup also has a huge history and tradition, and I'm sure that these rules are etched in stone, so to speak. I.e. teams, management, players, EVERYONE knows very clearly and specifically where it will be played out before they even get to qualify.
So very poor analogy imo.
On May 01 2013 23:56 17Sphynx17 wrote:
How is this different from an actual event? What is the issue? It like the Olympics setting a venue in USA, and you are qualified to participate in the Olympics. Then when your time comes, you and your neighbor want to complain about going the sporting venue because you could do it "locally"?
I mean, sure this is a video game which could be played anywhere but still, the organizer has a right to dictate the "venue of play". It shouldn't even be an issue in the first place.
It's an issue because Blizzard notified the players of this particular detail far too late.
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I agree with this decision.
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People are so dumb in this thread, it's amazing.
IF there is less latency on korea, play on KR. This isn't about catering to the players, both of them are gonna have the same delay anyways. It's about the game that you people are going to watch. It's about catering TO YOU.
IF the latency issues are the same on KR and NA servers then ffs, play wherever you want. We can flip a coin about it, not like it matters at all in that case.
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I don't know why some people are surprised by that. MLG is organization with 0 flexibility. They like to just follow the preset rules and never make decisions on the fly.
I'm sure you remember the extended series rule. Well... they never removed it just because someone at some point decided that this is how the tournament goes. It doesn't matter if the rule doesn't make sense.
I guess it's pretty hard to use your brain and make decisions case by case.
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On May 01 2013 23:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:
People are so dumb in this thread, it's amazing.
IF there is less latency on korea, play on KR. This isn't about catering to the players, both of them are gonna have the same delay anyways. It's about the game that you people are going to watch. It's about catering TO YOU.
IF the latency issues are the same on KR and NA servers then ffs, play wherever you want. We can flip a coin about it, not like it matters at all in that case.
I think that most players would really prefer playing on low delay vs an opponent with low delay as compared to both playing with high delays actually  Just my personal view
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Seems fair to me. Hopefully at some point the whole thing is live so this won't be an issue.
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On May 02 2013 00:11 ElBlanco wrote:
Seems fair to me. Hopefully at some point the whole thing is live so this won't be an issue.
Haha if Blizzard gets their way I think that's the direction they're hoping to take it
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What a farce WCSNA would be if it was all koreans playing from korea on korean sever. It clearly states what server the tournament will be on don't cry about it later.
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It's really not unreasonable at all, they made the choice to play in the NA region. It's also part of the rules so what's the issue?
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