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On May 02 2013 01:30 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem. They are not in WCS.
this is why i tweeted this shit, look how you fucking response to a question, u did that shit to me as well, not to mention u also changed the date of my match from may9 to may3 just a day after u gave me the may 9 date.
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On May 02 2013 01:30 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem. They are not in WCS.
Take TV is WCS EU German Stream and ESL hosts the WCS EU English stream.
so i dunno what you are talking about.
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On May 02 2013 01:37 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:31 grs wrote:On May 02 2013 01:30 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:
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Look at next groups to play
Look at OP
Look at next groups to play
Look again
my theory:
HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers.
TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem. They are not in WCS. See my post above. They do. Edit: Nice edit; you original post said "They aren't". In WCS right now they are not swapping servers in any of the regions. EU competes on EU, NA on NA, etc. etc.
So what, they do it regularly in other tournaments. It is also done by many others.
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On May 02 2013 01:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:34 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 01:31 Bumblebee wrote:
WaxAngel did contact me yesterday about it and said what's up with this and what do you know and we had a quick chat about it. And then I shot a message to MLG and got the response that there was nothing I could do about it. WaxAngel got an answer he didn't like so he decided to try to use the TL community against MLG, I'm not sure you can argue that there's a seperation between the team and the community staff when stuff like this happens. This thread could have been created by anyone else and had the same effect.
And yet Wax made it right before the rule effected a Liquid player but didn't raise the issue before that?
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Canada16217 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:40 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 02 2013 01:34 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 01:31 Bumblebee wrote:
WaxAngel did contact me yesterday about it and said what's up with this and what do you know and we had a quick chat about it. And then I shot a message to MLG and got the response that there was nothing I could do about it. WaxAngel got an answer he didn't like so he decided to try to use the TL community against MLG, I'm not sure you can argue that there's a seperation between the team and the community staff when stuff like this happens. This thread could have been created by anyone else and had the same effect. And yet Wax made it right before the rule effected a Liquid player but didn't raise the issue before that?
he can do what he wants whenever he wants,he doesn't represent the team or the site lol.
edit:
"My tweets are my own thoughts/opinions and not representative of Blizzard Entertainment. "
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On May 02 2013 01:34 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. Logistically your argument doesn't hold water. There's region switching built right into the client, and your commercial breaks are more than long enough to accommodate it. I don't understand how even MLG admins are focusing more on some imaginary sense of regionalism, rather than trying to create the best possible competitive environment so you can show the viewers the best possible games. Clearly, that was on your mind when you brought in popular and skilled international players in the first place. So why not let them play the best games they can?
maybe there are contracts to keep the regions separated?
As MLG i wouldnt take the risk switching regions, not with 20k viewers watching. There is enough negativity towards them.
You cant really test the lag,login problems and what not.
I dont get it why this is such a big deal to everyone. EVERY games gets played on NA. period.
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oh a thing I forgot to mention is that I'm personally certain that this has nothing to do with that it's HerO. If it was aLive and MajOr only and WaxAngel was aware of this, he'd do the exact same thing. It's not about getting HerO on the Korean server because he is biased. I'm not sure if that is why you think it's wrong by WaxAngel.
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On May 02 2013 01:40 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:37 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:31 grs wrote:On May 02 2013 01:30 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:29 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:
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TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill.
As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule.
We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. then pls enlighten us why other organisations manage to do this without a problem. They are not in WCS. See my post above. They do. Edit: Nice edit; you original post said "They aren't". In WCS right now they are not swapping servers in any of the regions. EU competes on EU, NA on NA, etc. etc. So what, they do it regularly in other tournaments. It is also done by many others.
Look and read how MLG Staff answers community here, disappointed
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Austria24422 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:40 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 02 2013 01:34 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2013 01:31 Bumblebee wrote:
WaxAngel did contact me yesterday about it and said what's up with this and what do you know and we had a quick chat about it. And then I shot a message to MLG and got the response that there was nothing I could do about it. WaxAngel got an answer he didn't like so he decided to try to use the TL community against MLG, I'm not sure you can argue that there's a seperation between the team and the community staff when stuff like this happens. This thread could have been created by anyone else and had the same effect. And yet Wax made it right before the rule effected a Liquid player but didn't raise the issue before that?
Maybe waiting to hear something from the people involved? Stop hating on Wax and make a real argument.
Not switching servers because "It's called WCS NA? have to play on NA server then!" is not a good argument. An example here would be the Acer team cup. They're switching servers all the time between games and they got pretty much the same amount of casters in the game. Yet there's no problem whatsoever.
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On May 02 2013 01:35 Bumblebee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:28 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:
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TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill.
As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule.
We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community." This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue. On May 02 2013 01:21 Bumblebee wrote:
Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want? That is pretty much a case of having your cake and eating it too. "The people who work for our website that also has the same name as our team are not affiliated with the team. Also, we advertise for the team on that website and broadcast all MLGs events through that site as well. But they aren't affiliated with the team directly." I wouldn't accept an argument like that from Blizzard, MLG or any other business out there. I don't know why that is not acceptable. The team and the website is two different things, two different companies owned by the same person. We happen to share a brand and yes, you are right, we are here together but as stated in my post just above this one it was brought to our attention, but WaxAngel is completely free to do what he thinks is suitable as the editor in chief and for the community site side. If he wants to report and call people out, then that's his thing. I am not or don't want to be responsible for that.
I see where you are coming from, but from the outside viewer the TL community site and the TL team are the same thing. This includes sponsors, team and other communities, who all see Team Liquid and don't think that the website and the team are separate. My firm has a separate title company owned by the partners. They are separate companies all the way down to pay roll, but none of our clients care and view us and one entity. We can make the argument till we are blue in the fact, but all they care about is that the company is owned by the same people.
The only people who know that the website staff and the team managers are separate entities are committed community members. To everyone else in the world Team Liquid the site and Team Liquid the team are the same.
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On May 02 2013 01:42 Bumblebee wrote:
oh a thing I forgot to mention is that I'm personally certain that this has nothing to do with that it's HerO. If it was aLive and MajOr only and WaxAngel was aware of this, he'd do the exact same thing. It's not about getting HerO on the Korean server because he is biased. I'm not sure if that is why you think it's wrong by WaxAngel.
I noticed because R1CH mentioned the tweet by MajOr to me!
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On May 02 2013 01:42 Pik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:34 Waxangel wrote:On May 02 2013 01:13 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 01:09 askmc70 wrote:On May 02 2013 00:58 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:On May 02 2013 00:48 MLG_Adam wrote:On May 02 2013 00:44 TumNarDok wrote:On May 02 2013 00:23 ymir233 wrote:
I don't get why this issue came up NOW instead of the first match that this was relevant to o______O;; can anyone explain why? Look at next groups to play Look at OP Look at next groups to play Look again my theory: HerO did raise concerns, issue was discussed in the TL office and they decided to throw it up for public discussion as to not get backlash or to have better arguments towards organizers. TL team managers could have emailed us direct instead of creating a forum thread. I don't get what something like this is expected to do outside of creating a mountain out of a mole hill. As to the issue at hand, this is the first we're hearing of complaints. If players choose to play on NA, they are expected to deal with the region's server and schedule. We're working very hard to improve upon the rocky qualifier start. Any players, teams, etc. should contact us directly through the appropriate communication channels to discuss concerns around the competition. so, you just came here to blame TL. without making a statement to the topic. classy. I clearly made a statement: the server you play on along with the match schedule come with the WCS region you choose to play in. If players or teams wanted to discuss it more, they have the appropriate channels to continue this discussion. I'm happy to discuss this more with anyone playing (or managing someone playing). Yes players do have to read and comply with the rules with mlg, but why do you have to over complicate things and just let them play on the korean server? you are making things more difficult compared to something much more easier ie playing on korean server. By letting them play on the korean server they dont have to deal with lag, and much more there does not have to be much more drama and threads about how mlg sucks.... You have to think about this from a logistics side as well, this does not help with the downtime issues we're already facing with operating a global online event. Having obs, admins, and players hop around servers in the middle of a live broadcast is not realistic. Also, again, this is WCS NA and the server you play on comes with the decision you as a player make when selecting a region. Logistically your argument doesn't hold water. There's region switching built right into the client, and your commercial breaks are more than long enough to accommodate it. I don't understand how even MLG admins are focusing more on some imaginary sense of regionalism, rather than trying to create the best possible competitive environment so you can show the viewers the best possible games. Clearly, that was on your mind when you brought in popular and skilled international players in the first place. So why not let them play the best games they can? maybe there are contracts to keep the regions separated? As MLG i wouldnt take the risk switching regions, not with 20k viewers watching. There is enough negativity towards them. You cant really test the lag,login problems and what not.
Risk? The risk of switching region? You wot m8. -_-
And the negativity that's there is there for a reason. In fact, if they had agreed to MajOr and HerO's proposition (and that of other players, had they wanted to change servers as well), this thread would not have been made, and less negativity would have been geared towards them.
On May 02 2013 01:42 Pik wrote:
I dont get it why this is such a big deal to everyone. EVERY games gets played on NA. period.
Because they're fucking over the players when it comes to releasing information and details?
On May 02 2013 01:37 MajOr wrote:
this is why i tweeted this shit, look how you fucking response to a question, u did that shit to me as well, not to mention u also changed the date of my match from may9 to may3 just a day after u gave me the may 9 date.
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Austria24422 Posts
Alright, can we please stop the "why did this come up now?" discussion and refocus on why they have to play NA?
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On May 02 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:35 Bumblebee wrote:On May 02 2013 01:28 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:[quote] Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community." This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue. On May 02 2013 01:21 Bumblebee wrote:
Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want? That is pretty much a case of having your cake and eating it too. "The people who work for our website that also has the same name as our team are not affiliated with the team. Also, we advertise for the team on that website and broadcast all MLGs events through that site as well. But they aren't affiliated with the team directly." I wouldn't accept an argument like that from Blizzard, MLG or any other business out there. I don't know why that is not acceptable. The team and the website is two different things, two different companies owned by the same person. We happen to share a brand and yes, you are right, we are here together but as stated in my post just above this one it was brought to our attention, but WaxAngel is completely free to do what he thinks is suitable as the editor in chief and for the community site side. If he wants to report and call people out, then that's his thing. I am not or don't want to be responsible for that. I see where you are coming from, but from the outside viewer the TL community site and the TL team are the same thing. This includes sponsors, team and other communities, who all see Team Liquid and don't think that the website and the team are separate. My firm has a separate title company owned by the partners. They are separate companies all the way down to pay roll, but none of our clients care and view us and one entity. We can make the argument till we are blue in the fact, but all they care about is that the company is owned by the same people. The only people who know that the website staff and the team managers are separate entities are committed community members. To everyone else in the world Team Liquid the site and Team Liquid the team are the same.
I think it's obvious to anyone who is a regular user on TeamLiquid that it's not the same and we don't share the same sponsors either. You don't see Barracuda, Razer, Twitch and ShinyThings logos roll around here on the frontpage or a part of the banners.
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On May 02 2013 01:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:35 Bumblebee wrote:On May 02 2013 01:28 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:23 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:11 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 01:05 Plansix wrote:On May 02 2013 01:00 Tppz! wrote:[quote] Waxangel aint part of the team: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/playerscheck your stats. and obviously the players talked to you and tried to make you change the region they play on for their kr-kr matches. its this way you work that makes you problems. "there is a rule about that but everyone would agree that it makes more sense to do it the supposed way? well lets allow it in this case since its just for better games on which everyone would gain something. but no there is a rule. we cant change." thats why ppl like esls administration and organisation a lot more. they think about the stuff and change if it makes more sense. Waxangel is a member of the Team Liquid staff, which sponsors the Team Liquid SC2 and Dota2 teams. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff That's the Site staff buddy. Waxangel does write-ups and translations, but he's not part of the Team's actual management or decision-making staff. I guess we can split hairs like that if we really want to. I think MLG can still be grumpy and request that Team Liquid and its staff for both the site and team not make threads like this without sending a single email. That is the level of professional courtesy I would expect. It's not splitting hairs. TeamLiquid.net and Team Liquid the pro team are two separate entities, although they have very evident tie-ins. While someone like Nazgul or Bumblebee represents both, the TL.net staff do not represent the official stance of the actual pro team through their posts. Keep in mind this community was built on volunteers. Again, just because they're an integral part of keeping the community running doesn't necessarily mean they're involved with the team itself. I get that and respect the work they did. But I don't think it is unreasonable to the Team Liquid team to ask the website staff: "Hey, before you create a thread complaining about the rules for a particular event, please let us try to handle it internally first. We have to work with these people and we should let them respond first before bringing it to the community." This thread was created last night and the issue is not super urgent. An email could have been sent or a phone call could have been made this morning to MLG and checked on the rule, rather than go right to a public forum to complain about the issue. On May 02 2013 01:21 Bumblebee wrote:
Adam, you need to understand that first of all editors in chief of a website is not affiliated to our team and have nothing to do with how we operate. I did write to Jason Nye and I just got the response that there was nothing we could do about it. What more do you want? That is pretty much a case of having your cake and eating it too. "The people who work for our website that also has the same name as our team are not affiliated with the team. Also, we advertise for the team on that website and broadcast all MLGs events through that site as well. But they aren't affiliated with the team directly." I wouldn't accept an argument like that from Blizzard, MLG or any other business out there. I don't know why that is not acceptable. The team and the website is two different things, two different companies owned by the same person. We happen to share a brand and yes, you are right, we are here together but as stated in my post just above this one it was brought to our attention, but WaxAngel is completely free to do what he thinks is suitable as the editor in chief and for the community site side. If he wants to report and call people out, then that's his thing. I am not or don't want to be responsible for that. I see where you are coming from, but from the outside viewer the TL community site and the TL team are the same thing. This includes sponsors, team and other communities, who all see Team Liquid and don't think that the website and the team are separate. My firm has a separate title company owned by the partners. They are separate companies all the way down to pay roll, but none of our clients care and view us and one entity. We can make the argument till we are blue in the fact, but all they care about is that the company is owned by the same people. The only people who know that the website staff and the team managers are separate entities are committed community members. To everyone else in the world Team Liquid the site and Team Liquid the team are the same.
So you're saying just because people are ignorant (and clearly ignoring this disclaimer) that changes anything?
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On May 02 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Alright, can we please stop the "why did this come up now?" discussion and refocus on why they have to play NA?
One of the things that come to mind is that switching server would add a little bit more of a pause in between games, and they're already on the wrong side of how long they want their breaks to be. Re-joining channels and making sure everyone logs into the right server right away does open up for more failure and potential delays. Though I do think that with the new BattleNET UI and region switching it's completely doable compared to how it was done for a few years in Wings of Liberty.
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I actually don't mind this. As long as the rules are consistent, things are fine.
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Yeah sorry Wax I gotta agree with most of the people in this thread. Why should KR players be allowed to play in an NA tournament (presumably to take advantage of easier competition) and then also be allowed to play on the KR server? That would be silly and I really hope they don't change this decision.
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I can kind of understand why MLG decided the way they did, but it is just dumb nonetheless. It should really be a non-issue to let them play on KR and the way they handled it looks like they are actively trying to make people angry.
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