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On May 01 2013 12:00 kubiks wrote:
Well...thanks mlg for prodiving the best admins evear.
Admins don't change rules on their own. They can take a complaint to their boss, but their job is to enforce the rule as written. People and players who expect admins to do so are unreasonable.
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On May 01 2013 12:00 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:56 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 11:51 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:45 raf3776 wrote:
dont complain about NA if you signed up for NA tourney This. No real excuse or legitimate complaint. You can cry that they're "hurting esports" all you want, but these damn proxy entrants into WCS have to have "penalties" to encourage players to reside across the world. I don't want WCS Korea 1, 2, and 3, and I'd bet I'm not alone. Yeah, the penalty is that they have to deal with a latency disadvantage when they face players who actually live in NA. Now tell me what's gained by forcing two players who live in KR to play against each other on NA. The integrity of the tournament and distinction that it's WCS NA and not WCS Korea Code B.
Thank you.
Bit of a farce if WCS NA isn't played on NA.
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I think it's ok to play on KR if it makes the quality of the games beter. I'd rather watch a really really exciting game on KR than a boring lagging game on NA. Rules are rules and people are people.
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On May 01 2013 12:02 NonY wrote:
Having KR vs KR played on NA isn't an acceptable practice. There are other ways to encourage participants to reside in NA. It seems like a lot of people here are in favor of anything that discourages non-NA residents from playing WCS NA. But the thing is, the enforcement of this particular rule in this particular case is SO bad that it is immune to that argument. This isn't the proper way to do that. Let's get the best games we can out of these players.
Not just anything, just sensible rules. By all means, people from Antarctica to Mongolia can enter whatever tournament they want, but if you're not even going to host the games on NA, what's the point of calling it WCS NA? Especially in 2-3 seasons when half of EU and NA become Korean.
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On May 01 2013 12:07 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:02 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 12:00 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:56 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 11:51 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:45 raf3776 wrote:
dont complain about NA if you signed up for NA tourney This. No real excuse or legitimate complaint. You can cry that they're "hurting esports" all you want, but these damn proxy entrants into WCS have to have "penalties" to encourage players to reside across the world. I don't want WCS Korea 1, 2, and 3, and I'd bet I'm not alone. Yeah, the penalty is that they have to deal with a latency disadvantage when they face players who actually live in NA. Now tell me what's gained by forcing two players who live in KR to play against each other on NA. The integrity of the tournament and distinction that it's WCS NA and not WCS Korea Code B. The integrity of the tournament is positively affected by having the players play a weaker series and having a 9+ page thread on TL complaining about the decision? Are you sure? I can't control the insatiable entitled idiots on TL that find every moment to complain about anything that Blizzard has a hand in, nor can anybody else. I can only argue that rules are rules, and for SC2 and WCS to remain credible, rules have to be followed.
If they want to be credible, they'd accommodate as many players as possible. If they want to be seen as a "great" tournament, then allowing things like this would be in their best interest. This situation is a lose-lose-lose-lose, I'm afraid...
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I think it would be fine for the game to played on KR, however it's a bit of a cheek for players in KR to complain if their request isn't automatically granted straight away. It strikes me as similiar as Koreans complaining about the time of day they were having to play for the qualifiers.
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WCS NA should be played on the NA server. Its the inherent advantage that the NA players get just as im sure EU gets the same advantage and while Korea is an entirely different circumstance (LAN vs Online) its also played entirely on Korean server.
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Why is this an issue? They chose to play WCS NA while living in Korea, if they wanted no latency issues, they should have chosen play WCS KR or come to NA during this time.
I could understand an Issue if Major was in NA and HerO was in KR. But they are still on even footing, just latent even footing.
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I actually recall Huk bitching about having to play on NA server (dont remember what tourney it was ) against his opponent even though both of them live in Korea.
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On May 01 2013 12:07 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:02 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 12:00 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:56 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 11:51 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:45 raf3776 wrote:
dont complain about NA if you signed up for NA tourney This. No real excuse or legitimate complaint. You can cry that they're "hurting esports" all you want, but these damn proxy entrants into WCS have to have "penalties" to encourage players to reside across the world. I don't want WCS Korea 1, 2, and 3, and I'd bet I'm not alone. Yeah, the penalty is that they have to deal with a latency disadvantage when they face players who actually live in NA. Now tell me what's gained by forcing two players who live in KR to play against each other on NA. The integrity of the tournament and distinction that it's WCS NA and not WCS Korea Code B. The integrity of the tournament is positively affected by having the players play a weaker series and having a 9+ page thread on TL complaining about the decision? Are you sure? I can't control the insatiable entitled idiots on TL that find every moment to complain about anything that Blizzard has a hand in, nor can anybody else. I can only argue that rules are rules, and for SC2 and WCS to remain credible, rules have to be followed.
I think it's a pretty extreme stretch to suggest that the tournament's credibility would be hurt by letting two players who live in Korea play a bo3 on the Korean server. I'd say the current situation is decidedly worse for them.
On May 01 2013 12:10 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:02 NonY wrote:
Having KR vs KR played on NA isn't an acceptable practice. There are other ways to encourage participants to reside in NA. It seems like a lot of people here are in favor of anything that discourages non-NA residents from playing WCS NA. But the thing is, the enforcement of this particular rule in this particular case is SO bad that it is immune to that argument. This isn't the proper way to do that. Let's get the best games we can out of these players. Not just anything, just sensible rules. By all means, people from Antarctica to Mongolia can enter whatever tournament they want, but if you're not even going to host the games on NA, what's the point of calling it WCS NA? Especially in 2-3 seasons when half of EU and NA become Korean.
What would be the point of calling it WCS NA? I can think of some reasons
- The tournament is being run by an NA-based organization
- Every game that involves an NA resident would still be played on NA
- The last rounds will be played offline in NA
Really, I would have to say that KR vs KR games being played on the NA server would be pretty low on my list of reasons to call the tournament WCS NA
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don't mind forcing everyone in WCS NA to play on the NA server. I mean otherwise, doesn't that mean, eventually all the WCS NA games are gonna end up being played on the Korean server? Considering the later parts will end up being more and more Korean vs Koreans with time.
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People who put out the "NA is NA, so it has to be NA server" forget that this logic is already broken by letting not-NA players in it.
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100% agree with the decision. Good on MLG. If you chose to play on NA qualifier, you should have to play on NA server regardless.
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On May 01 2013 12:15 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:07 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 12:02 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 12:00 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:56 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 11:51 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:45 raf3776 wrote:
dont complain about NA if you signed up for NA tourney This. No real excuse or legitimate complaint. You can cry that they're "hurting esports" all you want, but these damn proxy entrants into WCS have to have "penalties" to encourage players to reside across the world. I don't want WCS Korea 1, 2, and 3, and I'd bet I'm not alone. Yeah, the penalty is that they have to deal with a latency disadvantage when they face players who actually live in NA. Now tell me what's gained by forcing two players who live in KR to play against each other on NA. The integrity of the tournament and distinction that it's WCS NA and not WCS Korea Code B. The integrity of the tournament is positively affected by having the players play a weaker series and having a 9+ page thread on TL complaining about the decision? Are you sure? I can't control the insatiable entitled idiots on TL that find every moment to complain about anything that Blizzard has a hand in, nor can anybody else. I can only argue that rules are rules, and for SC2 and WCS to remain credible, rules have to be followed. I think it's a pretty extreme stretch to suggest that the tournament's credibility would be hurt by letting two players who live in Korea play a bo3 on the Korean server. I'd say the current situation is decidedly worse for them.
I don't see why, reading this thread the number of people mad about this decision are in the minority.
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So did Major escalate the complaint with MLG and blizzard? Or did he ask an admin, find out he had to play on NA and then instantly post on twitter? Because admins are never going to over ride rules that are given to them by Blizzard.
We can't have a full blown drama fest every time an admin has to enforce a rule that may need a second look. Or if matches have already been played on other players in the same situation who didn't also happen to be members Team Liquid.
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On May 01 2013 12:10 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:02 NonY wrote:
Having KR vs KR played on NA isn't an acceptable practice. There are other ways to encourage participants to reside in NA. It seems like a lot of people here are in favor of anything that discourages non-NA residents from playing WCS NA. But the thing is, the enforcement of this particular rule in this particular case is SO bad that it is immune to that argument. This isn't the proper way to do that. Let's get the best games we can out of these players. Not just anything, just sensible rules. By all means, people from Antarctica to Mongolia can enter whatever tournament they want, but if you're not even going to host the games on NA, what's the point of calling it WCS NA? Especially in 2-3 seasons when half of EU and NA become Korean.
It's a technicality. I don't give a shit that the geographical location of the game server doesn't match up with the name of the tournament. It's extremely straightforward and obvious that the server that does its job the best should be the one used. I don't know how you can think symbolism is so much more important than a significant difference in latency. You anti-competition types that somehow got interested in professional SC2 are really stretching it with this kind of shit.
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it's not even WCS NA guys, it's WCS AM
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On May 01 2013 12:18 HeavenResign wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:15 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 12:07 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 12:02 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 12:00 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:56 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 11:51 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:45 raf3776 wrote:
dont complain about NA if you signed up for NA tourney This. No real excuse or legitimate complaint. You can cry that they're "hurting esports" all you want, but these damn proxy entrants into WCS have to have "penalties" to encourage players to reside across the world. I don't want WCS Korea 1, 2, and 3, and I'd bet I'm not alone. Yeah, the penalty is that they have to deal with a latency disadvantage when they face players who actually live in NA. Now tell me what's gained by forcing two players who live in KR to play against each other on NA. The integrity of the tournament and distinction that it's WCS NA and not WCS Korea Code B. The integrity of the tournament is positively affected by having the players play a weaker series and having a 9+ page thread on TL complaining about the decision? Are you sure? I can't control the insatiable entitled idiots on TL that find every moment to complain about anything that Blizzard has a hand in, nor can anybody else. I can only argue that rules are rules, and for SC2 and WCS to remain credible, rules have to be followed. I think it's a pretty extreme stretch to suggest that the tournament's credibility would be hurt by letting two players who live in Korea play a bo3 on the Korean server. I'd say the current situation is decidedly worse for them. I don't see why, reading this thread the number of people mad about this decision are in the minority.
Would a thread exist if they had been allowed to play the games out on KR?
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On May 01 2013 12:15 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:07 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 12:02 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 12:00 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:56 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 11:51 aksfjh wrote:On May 01 2013 11:45 raf3776 wrote:
dont complain about NA if you signed up for NA tourney This. No real excuse or legitimate complaint. You can cry that they're "hurting esports" all you want, but these damn proxy entrants into WCS have to have "penalties" to encourage players to reside across the world. I don't want WCS Korea 1, 2, and 3, and I'd bet I'm not alone. Yeah, the penalty is that they have to deal with a latency disadvantage when they face players who actually live in NA. Now tell me what's gained by forcing two players who live in KR to play against each other on NA. The integrity of the tournament and distinction that it's WCS NA and not WCS Korea Code B. The integrity of the tournament is positively affected by having the players play a weaker series and having a 9+ page thread on TL complaining about the decision? Are you sure? I can't control the insatiable entitled idiots on TL that find every moment to complain about anything that Blizzard has a hand in, nor can anybody else. I can only argue that rules are rules, and for SC2 and WCS to remain credible, rules have to be followed. I think it's a pretty extreme stretch to suggest that the tournament's credibility would be hurt by letting two players who live in Korea play a bo3 on the Korean server. I'd say the current situation is decidedly worse for them.
It's a matter of precedence. When we move to a more Korean populated tournament, whether it's next round or 3 WCS regionals from now, there needs to be some distinction that each region is actually based in that region.
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I got a great idea. Let's send like.. 60 Koreans to NA server, then the last 48 or so will all be Koreans. then we can play all the matches on the Korean server and just call it WCS Korea 2
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