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AyMnRSC2
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States123 Posts
April 10 2013 17:52 GMT
#1401
Well this is quite the interesting development. WCS was MASSIVE last year and so much fun to watch with all the grassroots qualifiers. That made WCS. Everyone had someone to root for so that made it one of the most watched E-sports events ever. Now Blizzard has successfully turned this into the Korean Bowl 2013. Oh well, there is always next year, which probably won't yeild as much success as last year.
Masters Zerg player on NA twitch.tv/aymnr
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
April 10 2013 17:53 GMT
#1402
On April 11 2013 02:50 onedayclose wrote:
I really hope teams like Axiom-Acer and EG-TL won't be forfeiting team league matches because their players are participating in the offline NA WCS.


I kind of wish to know if KeSPA and eSF would ban them all from korea for life if they actually did that.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 17:54:27
April 10 2013 17:53 GMT
#1403
So not only are like 20 good Koreans competing in NA, some that have won GSLs, but you have to pay 18.75 to compete in the qualifier for a chance to make top 8 to qualify. If this could get any worse, I'd love to see it. They have really set the bar high. Good luck trying to 1 up this.
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
April 10 2013 17:55 GMT
#1404
If Anyone Has InControl and Suppy on twitter, Theres a very good back and forth going on about there apparently being a 20$ entry fee to mlgs qualifier tournaments
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 10 2013 17:55 GMT
#1405
I'm surprised more Koreans didn't switch regions. Is there a list of Foreigners currently in Korea who have switched?
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 10 2013 17:56 GMT
#1406
On April 11 2013 02:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:21 LighT. wrote:
Look at other sports. Basketball as a prime example. You have the NBA, the Euroleague and then smaller leagues like the Chinese basketball association, Korean basketball association etc. During lock out years that just happened recently you had an influx of NBA stars going to the Euroleague, the CBA and dominating the competition (because..you know they're top of the class) Was there complaints about how this is going to ruin their league because it's going to deter people from trying to make basketball a profession? No. If anything it encouraged. I see the Koreans coming to the NA in the same way.


none of it helped.

the only way to become the best basketball player on the planet is to leave your country and play in the NCAA/NBA AND learn how to speak ENGLISH... that was true in 1970 and it remains true today.

if you want to be the best Starcraft player on the planet you must move to korea.. live their 12 months out of the year and learn how to speak KOREAN AND ASSIMILATE. so far ... only grrrr elected to go that route... and he is still the only real foreign
starcraft world champion.

this WCS format changes nothing... they are just shuffling around some cash... and manipulating a few high level rules.

a new WCS rules set is irrelavent.
you want to be the best Starcraft player on the planet even though you were born outside korea. do what grrr did. end of story.

I absolutely agree. With this comment:

"the only way to become the best basketball player on the planet is to leave your country and play in the NCAA/NBA AND learn how to speak ENGLISH... that was true in 1970 and it remains true today."
R: Why is this? Its because NCAA has the best system for nurturing players, the best programs for the players to excel in. The NBA is the highest level of competition. The most benefitting in terms of contracts/finances/personal sponsorship.
Remained the same then, still remains the same now (although I would say..since the 1990s, I think youre forgetting the soviet teams that roamed back then)

Comparaitively, KR system is basically the NCAA system. They know how to cultivate players and make them excel. Europe/NA does not. Thus players go over to train.
Is it possible to set up a NCAA system in Europe? Absolutely! It is difficult but it is possible, The WCS system gives more incentive to try to develop that NCAA system on other continents and give funding to promising teams.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 10 2013 17:56 GMT
#1407
On April 11 2013 02:53 playa wrote:
So not only are like 20 good Koreans competing in NA, some that have won GSLs, but you have to pay 18.75 to compete in the qualifier for a chance to make top 8 to qualify. If this could get any worse, I'd love to see it. They have really set the bar high. Good luck trying to 1 up this.


$18.75 is a high bar? Really?
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
April 10 2013 17:59 GMT
#1408
On April 11 2013 02:56 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:53 playa wrote:
So not only are like 20 good Koreans competing in NA, some that have won GSLs, but you have to pay 18.75 to compete in the qualifier for a chance to make top 8 to qualify. If this could get any worse, I'd love to see it. They have really set the bar high. Good luck trying to 1 up this.


$18.75 is a high bar? Really?


For a tournament you have .00001% chance of qualifying in unless you're Jaedong, yeah. Amateur players love losing money. Because you know the game they have to spend 14 hours practicing at to have a shot to qualify in pays so well.
CarlosOmse
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany507 Posts
April 10 2013 17:59 GMT
#1409
Well i still dont like region changing, last year we hade awesome WCS Events for evry Region and it all been completly locked by nationality so we hade the real feeling of a WCG or something like Worldchampionchips in Real Sports...
With this many Koreans playing NA i dont see any non Korean Player qualiifyng, for EU its not that bad but it sill likly to be like 3 Koreans out of 5 Players
a book is like a mirror if a monkey looks into it no philosopher will look back
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 10 2013 18:00 GMT
#1410
On April 11 2013 02:55 SMD wrote:
If Anyone Has InControl and Suppy on twitter, Theres a very good back and forth going on about there apparently being a 20$ entry fee to mlgs qualifier tournaments


I think it has something to do with MLGs online tournamnets where you earn points and thats why there is a 20$ entry free.
So that those points actually are worth something.
The curse is real
GimliGloin
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada24 Posts
April 10 2013 18:00 GMT
#1411
I'm not sure how much I enjoy this as a "World" Championship event. Last year, I really enjoyed watching local (nationality wise) players come up through their own respective tournaments (such as KS.Jig in Canada). Even though it did turn out to be a Korean dominance in the finals, it created a much more interesting storyline with players that weren't as mainstream.

With this many top tier Koreans saturating the North American circuit especially, we won't see these grassroots players come into view. To really increase foreigner levels of play, there should be a required residency time (perhaps the length of the season) in the specific region. This way, foreigners who would not have the money to train Korea can have the opportunity to train with top tier Koreans that decide to compete in other regions. Likewise, the top tier Koreans that have decided to play in other regions often come with infrastructure support such as foreign team houses, and will be able to train in a Korean team house WITH the foreigners.

TL;DR the new WCS loses some of the "world" appeal to it, and level of foreign play could rise if residency locks are enforced.
"Nestea. We're all just Nestea. The weird thing is, Nestea is Nestea in real life. And we just pretend to be him in this video game."
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
April 10 2013 18:02 GMT
#1412
Well the irony is that all the NA pro's could pick EU now. Because there are few Koreans picking EU, the result would be that all the koreans who tried to get an easier league by going for NA end up playing with only Koreans and all the foreigners play on EU.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:04:17
April 10 2013 18:02 GMT
#1413
Does anyone know the prerequisite for competing in these qualifiers?
Maybe they could do some sort of manipulation by requiring non-residents to have a certain (much higher) GM rank on the local servers in order to compete. Getting topXX GM shouldn't be too difficult for most of these players, but at least then you'd introduce a set of "practice partners," since most foreigners practice on ladder.
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:03:37
April 10 2013 18:02 GMT
#1414
EG,TL,Axiom,Root and Quantic are foreign teams so it makes sense for them to send their korean players in NA to get easy money.

Polt and Violet: Makes total sense for them to play in NA.
MC: German team and he's out of Code S.
MMA and ForGG: as expected.

So there's only Nestea,Mvp,Tails and finale.

So if you think about it it's not as crazy as it seems.
All I do is Stim.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
April 10 2013 18:02 GMT
#1415
I don't mind EG Quantic ROOT etc doing NA as they are NA teams. And remember once thiamin all offline you will actually have to live in the region so that will solve most of this
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 10 2013 18:05 GMT
#1416
On April 11 2013 03:02 DifuntO wrote:
EG,TL,Axiom,Root and Quantic are foreign teams so it makes sense for them to send their korean players in NA to get easy money.

Polt and Violet: Makes total sense for them to play in NA.
MC: German team and he's out of Code S.
MMA and ForGG: as expected.

So there's only Nestea,Mvp,Tails and finale.

So if you think about it it's not as crazy as it seems.

Lets not forget Tails/Finale are fringe Code A players.
They're probably influenced by the fact that they're very good friends with Naniwa and a few euros.
Nestea wont get anywhere in WCS: KR. He's on the decline as a player.
So if you want to talk about koreans from korean teams taking money.
Youre basically complaining about MVP.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 10 2013 18:07 GMT
#1417
On April 11 2013 02:55 SMD wrote:
If Anyone Has InControl and Suppy on twitter, Theres a very good back and forth going on about there apparently being a 20$ entry fee to mlgs qualifier tournaments

Omg of this turns out to be true then fuck mlg because that would be absolutely retarded.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 10 2013 18:09 GMT
#1418
Also inbe4 SK and IM announce a teamhouse in Germany.
The curse is real
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 10 2013 18:10 GMT
#1419
On April 11 2013 02:46 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:43 Xacez wrote:
My problem is rather simple: I firmly believe an American should represent North America, a European should represent Europe and a Korean should represent Korea.
+ Show Spoiler +
The lack of Africa is understandable, leaving out China and SEA is not.


And south america. But seems like we should want koreans representing us, because they win shit.

Meh sorry for the bitterness, but this thread had taken the best of me, specially the bashing on foreigners players "wanting ez money" like the koreans going to play on NA are doing it as charity.

My worry is the short-term. This screw short term, and progamers careers aren't right now long enough, so i don't understand why they wouldn't complain about it.


I agree, and who wouldn't want some easy money.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 10 2013 18:13 GMT
#1420
On April 11 2013 02:47 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 11 2013 02:28 Nachtwind wrote:
On April 11 2013 02:17 ronpaul012 wrote:
Congrats to blizzard on completely mismanaging this tournament. The original idea is to have local tournaments and leagues for each location. While the message never seemed to change, they are now changing it to just 3 code S around the world. The better players will be winning more money, but that seems to be the complete opposite of what the intention for the WCS as initially.


You mean like they showed here? ^^





The idea of a Code S for each region is a way, way better idea that what we had last year. The EU/NA finals were good last year but most of the domestic tournaments sucked and while there is kind of a coolness to seeing who the best player in Bolivia or Peru is it doesn't really improve their scene like having all the American players playing together does.

Blizzard had a great idea for this they just fucked up by not having a residency rule.


Ok so with this residency rule how should players outside of Korea, NA and EU get to play?
You can't get a residence ship that fast lol.

Blizzard have said that they will want to move it to entirely offline so at the end of this year or next year you will pretty much need that anyway to compete in time anyway so it will sort itself out without fucking people in the bum.

So Blizzard did this the right way.


Just let them play? It's Blizzards tournament, they can do anything they want with it.
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