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vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
April 10 2013 18:40 GMT
#1441
eSF/Kespa players choosing NA: 2
eSF/Kespa players choosing EU: 3

What exactly is the problem here?
STX Fighting!
shinyA
Profile Joined November 2008
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:41:25
April 10 2013 18:40 GMT
#1442
On April 11 2013 03:37 EG.lectR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 00:46 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:43 EG.lectR wrote:
This is actually a very good thing for StarCraft II in Europe and North America.


Not if your an upcoming player trying to break out in the scene, it just gets worse and worse.


Are you saying there were a ton of people aspiring to be StarCraft II pro gamers in North America before this announcement?

yes.
you might be too busy buying Koreans to save your team in Korea to notice, I understand.
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CiCeRoSC2
Profile Joined October 2012
United States83 Posts
April 10 2013 18:40 GMT
#1443
On April 11 2013 03:20 rename wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:13 CiCeRoSC2 wrote:
Here is how I would fix this. The central theme of my scheme is to improve the growth of the EU and NA scenes by protecting them while acknowledging that the number of pro Koreans necessitates more spots for them.

Region lock by nationality/residency/lack of region.
(1) Anyone can play in the country where they have citizenship. If Polt wanted to play in KR, he could, if HuK wanted to stay in KR and play in NA, he could.
(2) Players can also opt into a region by residency. They would have to physically live in the region for at least 50% of the year. So if Polt wanted to play in NA, he could, or if MVP wanted to move to EU for a year, he could play in EU. This will provide some flexibility if Korean players really wanted to play in another region, but they would have to make a bigger commitment to it.
(3) Players that don't have a region that covers their country, they may opt into any region. So moonglade could play in any region he wants.

Four "Region" System. All regions have equal access to championship positions and prize pool.
(1) OSL for Korea
(2) MLG for NA
(3) IEM for EU
(4) GSL is a "Global" region. Anyone can play in the Global region, regardless of citizenship or physical location. Players can also "double dip" in the Global region. That would allow someone like MVP to play in both OSL and GSL, or HuK could play in both MLG and GSL. If a player qualifies in two regions, they will receive their higher ranking and everyone behind them in the other region is bumped up, but they would receive prize money for both. GSL would also require the player physically play at GOM.

The GSL would essentially give the Koreans double the spots and money and keep the GSL as it currently is.


First one will happen eventually anyway, when online is phased out.
Second idea accomplishes nothing much, you could only "double tip" OSL + GSL unless online persists.
Effectively it would be just WCS, but WCS-KR having more prize pool, points & games


Allowing Koreans to play in both OSL and GSL is really half of what I'm trying to accomplish with this system. Koreans want to play in EU and NA because the KR region is stacked. They would have much greater potential for cash and championship spots by playing in EU/NA. I would make it harder for them to play in EU/NA, but make up for it by giving them greater opportunity in Korea. It would also leave opportunities for EU and NA players that want to stay in Korea, which will still be the best place to train. The Korean scene deserves more opportunity for cash and qualifying spots because they have the history and more top players. My system would add protection, but soften the blow to Koreans.
PrOmiseCAST
Profile Joined August 2010
United States305 Posts
April 10 2013 18:42 GMT
#1444
I can understand Blizzard's approach about taking this WCS thing slowly from the get go (the first year is always the hardest to get things like this going), but I mean come on.. Look at the list of the Koreans that are participating in the NA qualifiers.. Seriously? NA players who are up and comers and want to earn more attention in the scene will now be put in brackets with GSL champions and the best players in the world.. (if they even actually get that far in the WCS tournaments & 90% of them stand 0 chance). If all of these Koreans are going to be moving to the NA portion of WCS, we might as well kiss all of our hopes goodbye and watch Heart of the Swarm slowly transition into a game like Broodwar (less of an audience, and no foreign competition).
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 10 2013 18:43 GMT
#1445
On April 11 2013 03:37 EG.lectR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 00:46 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:43 EG.lectR wrote:
This is actually a very good thing for StarCraft II in Europe and North America.


Not if your an upcoming player trying to break out in the scene, it just gets worse and worse.


Are you saying there were a ton of people aspiring to be StarCraft II pro gamers in North America before this announcement?
Sometimes they randomly appear. Scarlett came out of nowhere didnt she?
JtoK
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany232 Posts
April 10 2013 18:43 GMT
#1446
Strange that nEstea is playing on NA and MVP is playing on EU and they're on the same team 0.o I guess MVP thinks that EU is easier than NA or something else.
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
April 10 2013 18:43 GMT
#1447
Let's be honest: most of the players are on foreign teams, and those who aren't are either not S level players (ForGG, even though I love him to death), or are struggling to maintain that level (MVP, even though I love him to death, NesTea, MC). The only player who'm I'm truly sad seeing play outside of Korea is Taeja (again, however, foreigner team).

Yeah, we love those players. We love the MMA's and MPV's and Taeja's and MC's and Nestea's, etc. But let's not get all panicky.

I don't see how this is diluting Code S. It's simply filtering the wheat from the chaff.
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
April 10 2013 18:44 GMT
#1448
On April 11 2013 03:43 JtoK wrote:
Strange that nEstea is playing on NA and MVP is playing on EU and they're on the same team 0.o I guess MVP thinks that EU is easier than NA or something else.


Really? Or that Nestea can't compete on EU.
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
April 10 2013 18:44 GMT
#1449
On April 11 2013 03:37 EG.lectR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 00:46 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:43 EG.lectR wrote:
This is actually a very good thing for StarCraft II in Europe and North America.


Not if your an upcoming player trying to break out in the scene, it just gets worse and worse.


Are you saying there were a ton of people aspiring to be StarCraft II pro gamers in North America before this announcement?


It's a good thing for EG as your korean players have way higher chances qualifying in NA than in KR, doesn't mean its good for EU and NA in general though. If the leagues were actually modeled after the GSL (that means entirely offline), then yes it would be very good for NA and EU and nobody would complain about Koreans moving to NA/EU longterm to participate there.
But the way it is, NA and EU players won't benefit at all from it, there will be no magic surge to practice infrastructure and partners in those regions, it will stay all in KR.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
April 10 2013 18:44 GMT
#1450
On April 11 2013 03:40 shinyA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:37 EG.lectR wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:46 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:43 EG.lectR wrote:
This is actually a very good thing for StarCraft II in Europe and North America.


Not if your an upcoming player trying to break out in the scene, it just gets worse and worse.


Are you saying there were a ton of people aspiring to be StarCraft II pro gamers in North America before this announcement?

yes.
you might be too busy buying Koreans to save your team in Korea to notice, I understand.


I guess it's safe to say that's not the EG PR guy or the EG guy that's supposed to know anything about the NA scene? Those s'mores must be good.
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
April 10 2013 18:44 GMT
#1451
I can maybe understand the U.S tears, but how can people honestly be upset with EU? There are a mere 6 Koreans there and out of those 6, only MC has been relevant since HOTS, and even so, he just got demolished out of Code S recently. Let's not forget the crappy lag they will be playing in...
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MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
April 10 2013 18:45 GMT
#1452
This is terrible, how are we going to grow the NA/EU scenes if its just koreans stomping them from the first round..
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
April 10 2013 18:45 GMT
#1453
On April 11 2013 03:44 Iberville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:43 JtoK wrote:
Strange that nEstea is playing on NA and MVP is playing on EU and they're on the same team 0.o I guess MVP thinks that EU is easier than NA or something else.


Really? Or that Nestea can't compete on EU.


Or they don't want to compete against each other and win more $$$ each
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Gebus
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada25 Posts
April 10 2013 18:46 GMT
#1454
Many foreigners will be having a hard time winning anything.
For now...but if these koreans stay in NA with no team house, no coach, no practice partners, and no strict schedule they wont be as good as they are now for long.
They are giving up everything they have that makes them better than NA for a chance at a check at the end of the year.
Next year they if they all decide to stay in NA for another 365 days they might regret it if they don't get their shit shipped over.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
April 10 2013 18:47 GMT
#1455
You guys act as if the players had any say. Almost all of these koreans are on foreign teams. If I'm a foreign team owner, hell yes I put my best players in the region I'm in. From a marketing and sponsor standpoint, no way I give my players the option.
STX Fighting!
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
April 10 2013 18:48 GMT
#1456
On April 11 2013 03:46 Gebus wrote:
Many foreigners will be having a hard time winning anything.
For now...but if these koreans stay in NA with no team house, no coach, no practice partners, and no strict schedule they wont be as good as they are now for long.
They are giving up everything they have that makes them better than NA for a chance at a check at the end of the year.
Next year they if they all decide to stay in NA for another 365 days they might regret it if they don't get their shit shipped over.


Lol, they don't have to stay in the US, they play most of their matches online.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 10 2013 18:48 GMT
#1457
On April 11 2013 03:37 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:19 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:15 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:13 CiCeRoSC2 wrote:
Here is how I would fix this. The central theme of my scheme is to improve the growth of the EU and NA scenes by protecting them while acknowledging that the number of pro Koreans necessitates more spots for them.

Region lock by nationality/residency/lack of region.
(1) Anyone can play in the country where they have citizenship. If Polt wanted to play in KR, he could, if HuK wanted to stay in KR and play in NA, he could.
(2) Players can also opt into a region by residency. They would have to physically live in the region for at least 50% of the year. So if Polt wanted to play in NA, he could, or if MVP wanted to move to EU for a year, he could play in EU. This will provide some flexibility if Korean players really wanted to play in another region, but they would have to make a bigger commitment to it.
(3) Players that don't have a region that covers their country, they may opt into any region. So moonglade could play in any region he wants.

Four "Region" System. All regions have equal access to championship positions and prize pool.
(1) OSL for Korea
(2) MLG for NA
(3) IEM for EU
(4) GSL is a "Global" region. Anyone can play in the Global region, regardless of citizenship or physical location. Players can also "double dip" in the Global region. That would allow someone like MVP to play in both OSL and GSL, or HuK could play in both MLG and GSL. If a player qualifies in two regions, they will receive their higher ranking and everyone behind them in the other region is bumped up, but they would receive prize money for both. GSL would also require the player physically play at GOM.

The GSL would essentially give the Koreans double the spots and money and keep the GSL as it currently is.

See...ideally the four region system is the way to go..
but if you take into account the scheduling especially with GSTL/SPL + Dreamhack/MLG + WCS
and then you're including GSL,I dont think the schedulings can really work mate...
Think about the teams, players and their limitations.


I think the way it was before this train wreck was the way to go. Have WCS as its own tournament and regional qualifiers. It was just way better.

behind the scenes before this WCS, players were burnt out from jet lag and constant traveling, events kept overlapping each other so people had to cancel/drop out, people locked into team leagues like SPL could not go anywhere.
This creates more order into things with all organizations working as one.


but the scheduling issues..etc. could be resolved if the tournament holders worked together. It just doesn't need to be one large tournament.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
April 10 2013 18:48 GMT
#1458
On April 11 2013 03:44 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:37 EG.lectR wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:46 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:43 EG.lectR wrote:
This is actually a very good thing for StarCraft II in Europe and North America.


Not if your an upcoming player trying to break out in the scene, it just gets worse and worse.


Are you saying there were a ton of people aspiring to be StarCraft II pro gamers in North America before this announcement?


It's a good thing for EG as your korean players have way higher chances qualifying in NA than in KR, doesn't mean its good for EU and NA in general though. If the leagues were actually modeled after the GSL (that means entirely offline), then yes it would be very good for NA and EU and nobody would complain about Koreans moving to NA/EU longterm to participate there.
But the way it is, NA and EU players won't benefit at all from it, there will be no magic surge to practice infrastructure and partners in those regions, it will stay all in KR.


Yeah i fully agree this.
But didnt Blizzard say that the want to increase the rate of offline games? I guess we will have to wait.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
April 10 2013 18:49 GMT
#1459
On April 11 2013 03:45 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:44 Iberville wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:43 JtoK wrote:
Strange that nEstea is playing on NA and MVP is playing on EU and they're on the same team 0.o I guess MVP thinks that EU is easier than NA or something else.


Really? Or that Nestea can't compete on EU.


Or they don't want to compete against each other and win more $$$ each

I somehow doubt you'll see an LG-IM clean sweep of WCS.... But sure...
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
Gebus
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada25 Posts
April 10 2013 18:52 GMT
#1460
On April 11 2013 03:48 Shodaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:46 Gebus wrote:
Many foreigners will be having a hard time winning anything.
For now...but if these koreans stay in NA with no team house, no coach, no practice partners, and no strict schedule they wont be as good as they are now for long.
They are giving up everything they have that makes them better than NA for a chance at a check at the end of the year.
Next year they if they all decide to stay in NA for another 365 days they might regret it if they don't get their shit shipped over.


Lol, they don't have to stay in the US, they play most of their matches online.

did you even read what i wrote? im talking about next year. 12-15 months from now when they dont even remember what kroean noodles taste like because theyv been living with incontrol and idra for so long.
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