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lol, IN YOUR FACE BLIZZARD!! deal with this stupidness
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On April 11 2013 03:52 Gebus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:48 Shodaa wrote:On April 11 2013 03:46 Gebus wrote:
Many foreigners will be having a hard time winning anything.
For now...but if these koreans stay in NA with no team house, no coach, no practice partners, and no strict schedule they wont be as good as they are now for long.
They are giving up everything they have that makes them better than NA for a chance at a check at the end of the year.
Next year they if they all decide to stay in NA for another 365 days they might regret it if they don't get their shit shipped over. Lol, they don't have to stay in the US, they play most of their matches online. did you even read what i wrote? im talking about next year. 12-15 months from now when they dont even remember what kroean noodles taste like because theyv been living with incontrol and idra for so long.
Except if the tournaments are in the Bay or NY area, they will have no problems with getting Korean food.
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On April 11 2013 03:52 Gebus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:48 Shodaa wrote:On April 11 2013 03:46 Gebus wrote:
Many foreigners will be having a hard time winning anything.
For now...but if these koreans stay in NA with no team house, no coach, no practice partners, and no strict schedule they wont be as good as they are now for long.
They are giving up everything they have that makes them better than NA for a chance at a check at the end of the year.
Next year they if they all decide to stay in NA for another 365 days they might regret it if they don't get their shit shipped over. Lol, they don't have to stay in the US, they play most of their matches online. did you even read what i wrote? im talking about next year. 12-15 months from now when they dont even remember what kroean noodles taste like because theyv been living with incontrol and idra for so long.
Theres nothing like pizzahut!:D
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On April 11 2013 03:45 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:44 Iberville wrote:On April 11 2013 03:43 JtoK wrote:
Strange that nEstea is playing on NA and MVP is playing on EU and they're on the same team 0.o I guess MVP thinks that EU is easier than NA or something else. Really? Or that Nestea can't compete on EU. Or they don't want to compete against each other and win more $$$ each
It's a smart move sponsorship wise I'd say. LG has had IM players fly to Europe before for just sponsorship events, and a lot of the IM sponsors are pretty international brands. 1 champion in NA, other champion in EU is good exposure.
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On April 11 2013 03:48 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:37 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 03:19 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 03:15 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 03:13 CiCeRoSC2 wrote:
Here is how I would fix this. The central theme of my scheme is to improve the growth of the EU and NA scenes by protecting them while acknowledging that the number of pro Koreans necessitates more spots for them.
Region lock by nationality/residency/lack of region.
(1) Anyone can play in the country where they have citizenship. If Polt wanted to play in KR, he could, if HuK wanted to stay in KR and play in NA, he could.
(2) Players can also opt into a region by residency. They would have to physically live in the region for at least 50% of the year. So if Polt wanted to play in NA, he could, or if MVP wanted to move to EU for a year, he could play in EU. This will provide some flexibility if Korean players really wanted to play in another region, but they would have to make a bigger commitment to it.
(3) Players that don't have a region that covers their country, they may opt into any region. So moonglade could play in any region he wants.
Four "Region" System. All regions have equal access to championship positions and prize pool.
(1) OSL for Korea
(2) MLG for NA
(3) IEM for EU
(4) GSL is a "Global" region. Anyone can play in the Global region, regardless of citizenship or physical location. Players can also "double dip" in the Global region. That would allow someone like MVP to play in both OSL and GSL, or HuK could play in both MLG and GSL. If a player qualifies in two regions, they will receive their higher ranking and everyone behind them in the other region is bumped up, but they would receive prize money for both. GSL would also require the player physically play at GOM.
The GSL would essentially give the Koreans double the spots and money and keep the GSL as it currently is. See...ideally the four region system is the way to go.. but if you take into account the scheduling especially with GSTL/SPL + Dreamhack/MLG + WCS and then you're including GSL,I dont think the schedulings can really work mate... Think about the teams, players and their limitations. I think the way it was before this train wreck was the way to go. Have WCS as its own tournament and regional qualifiers. It was just way better. behind the scenes before this WCS, players were burnt out from jet lag and constant traveling, events kept overlapping each other so people had to cancel/drop out, people locked into team leagues like SPL could not go anywhere. This creates more order into things with all organizations working as one. but the scheduling issues..etc. could be resolved if the tournament holders worked together. It just doesn't need to be one large tournament. Politics isnt that simple.
People just dont work together for the benefits of the players. there had to be an incentive. WCS is the result.
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On April 11 2013 03:44 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:40 shinyA wrote:On April 11 2013 03:37 EG.lectR wrote:On April 11 2013 00:46 EleanorRIgby wrote:On April 11 2013 00:43 EG.lectR wrote:
This is actually a very good thing for StarCraft II in Europe and North America. Not if your an upcoming player trying to break out in the scene, it just gets worse and worse. Are you saying there were a ton of people aspiring to be StarCraft II pro gamers in North America before this announcement? yes. you might be too busy buying Koreans to save your team in Korea to notice, I understand. I guess it's safe to say that's not the EG PR guy or the EG guy that's supposed to know anything about the NA scene? Those s'mores must be good.
...wat.
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This has nothing to do with keeping players locked in a region, it isnt about weather or no koreans should be able to play as americans or europeans. This is a blizzard thing, that means it is all about marketability, viewer numbers and sponsors. As long as ppl watch and keep the sponsor money coming in this is how it will be.
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On April 11 2013 03:56 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:48 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 03:37 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 03:19 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 03:15 LighT. wrote:On April 11 2013 03:13 CiCeRoSC2 wrote:
Here is how I would fix this. The central theme of my scheme is to improve the growth of the EU and NA scenes by protecting them while acknowledging that the number of pro Koreans necessitates more spots for them.
Region lock by nationality/residency/lack of region.
(1) Anyone can play in the country where they have citizenship. If Polt wanted to play in KR, he could, if HuK wanted to stay in KR and play in NA, he could.
(2) Players can also opt into a region by residency. They would have to physically live in the region for at least 50% of the year. So if Polt wanted to play in NA, he could, or if MVP wanted to move to EU for a year, he could play in EU. This will provide some flexibility if Korean players really wanted to play in another region, but they would have to make a bigger commitment to it.
(3) Players that don't have a region that covers their country, they may opt into any region. So moonglade could play in any region he wants.
Four "Region" System. All regions have equal access to championship positions and prize pool.
(1) OSL for Korea
(2) MLG for NA
(3) IEM for EU
(4) GSL is a "Global" region. Anyone can play in the Global region, regardless of citizenship or physical location. Players can also "double dip" in the Global region. That would allow someone like MVP to play in both OSL and GSL, or HuK could play in both MLG and GSL. If a player qualifies in two regions, they will receive their higher ranking and everyone behind them in the other region is bumped up, but they would receive prize money for both. GSL would also require the player physically play at GOM.
The GSL would essentially give the Koreans double the spots and money and keep the GSL as it currently is. See...ideally the four region system is the way to go.. but if you take into account the scheduling especially with GSTL/SPL + Dreamhack/MLG + WCS and then you're including GSL,I dont think the schedulings can really work mate... Think about the teams, players and their limitations. I think the way it was before this train wreck was the way to go. Have WCS as its own tournament and regional qualifiers. It was just way better. behind the scenes before this WCS, players were burnt out from jet lag and constant traveling, events kept overlapping each other so people had to cancel/drop out, people locked into team leagues like SPL could not go anywhere. This creates more order into things with all organizations working as one. but the scheduling issues..etc. could be resolved if the tournament holders worked together. It just doesn't need to be one large tournament. Politics isnt that simple. People just dont work together for the benefits of the players. there had to be an incentive. WCS is the result.
Agreed. GSL, OGN, Dreamhack, NASL and MLG were never going to get together without Blizzard wanting them to. Last year was a mess with to many events, to much travel, stale maps, metagame and no preparation for games. I stopped caring about August, 2012. There was no reason for them to work together unless someone larger than them providing them with reason to do so.
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I agree with it. Let players play wherever they want, or wherever their team wants them to play. Many Koreans relish the opportunity to live and work in other countries. Different food, different culture, and the opportunity to practise their English, which gives you a really competitive advantage in business in Korea.
Even though Korean players moving to NA/EU will probably roflstomp a lot of players, there will be advantages and disadvantages for both Koreans and foreigners. The big disadvantage for Koreans playing in NA/EU is that these scenes have a lower skill level overall and are less competitive. We can expect great players moving to these scenes to get a bit soft. On the other hand, having them there will produce a huge "skill injection" into those scenes, perhaps galvanizing NA/EU players to improve.
The big disadvantage for Koreans that leave is that they will miss out on what will still remain the most competitive scene back home. Ultimately, at the grand finals, players from the Korea region, whoever they may be, will have been tested the most and will be playing at the highest possible calibre. While I don't doubt that interesting variations to the metagame will emerge in NA/EU, it is the Korean scene that will still produce the best players.
It's almost a given here that we expect Korean players to be better than foreigners, but I'm not sure if people have really given much thought to why Korean players are so good. Is it genetic? Do they just have faster reflexes? The real reason Koreans are so damn good at the game is that they are benefiting from the legacy of the ultra-competitive Brood War scene, itself propagated throughout the country at a local level because of the PC-Bang (Korean net cafe). Korea was the first to professionalize esports, and they've still got the best competitive structure. Foreign teams have been playing catch-up since Starcraft 2 was released. It is this competitive scene that produces the best players, and Koreans that choose to leave this scene for the easy money in the foreign scene will also be leaving behind their best opportunity to train and practise at the absolute highest level of play. Expect to see a lot of new names taking the championships throughout the new Heart of the Swarm era in Starcraft 2.
TL,DR: Koreans leaving Korea gonna get soft.
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On April 11 2013 03:52 Gebus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:48 Shodaa wrote:On April 11 2013 03:46 Gebus wrote:
Many foreigners will be having a hard time winning anything.
For now...but if these koreans stay in NA with no team house, no coach, no practice partners, and no strict schedule they wont be as good as they are now for long.
They are giving up everything they have that makes them better than NA for a chance at a check at the end of the year.
Next year they if they all decide to stay in NA for another 365 days they might regret it if they don't get their shit shipped over. Lol, they don't have to stay in the US, they play most of their matches online. did you even read what i wrote? im talking about next year. 12-15 months from now when they dont even remember what kroean noodles taste like because theyv been living with incontrol and idra for so long.
I don't think it'll be offline next year by how thing are going right now. Or well, I guess the 32 US premier league players could just stay home in Korea and play offline there.
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Mixed feelings about that... Good part that now there's a point for me to watch NA WCS because there will be some good games for sure with those players there. And the bad part Korea will be less challenging without those players, although there's still a lot of Code S players left.
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If they are going to have a WCS finals in North America with a live audience imagine the horror. The crowd would be so hostile to the Korean players. It's going to be hard to keep people from booing.
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On April 11 2013 04:05 InstantKarma wrote:
If they are going to have a WCS finals in North America with a live audience imagine the horror. The crowd would be so hostile to the Korean players. It's going to be hard to keep people from booing.
That hasn't been the case at MLG where the top 8 is almost all Koreans, every time.
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Wow....NA players are fucked 
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As horrible as it sounds but why would I bother with a GOM TV pass now? Yet Gom didn't have a choice... be a part of it or not, they couldn't not be there. Lose-Lose it seems.
Blizzard seems to have not implemented this well.
edit:typo
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On April 11 2013 01:11 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 01:04 Thieving Magpie wrote:MMA going to EU, Scarlett playing in Korea. I guess we know who's doing better in practice  lolololol GO ACER! I think the list only shows which Koreans to play in foreign regions, not which foreigners to play in Korean region. Scarlett may return to Canada and play in NA region and the list don't even care.
She said she'd stay in Korea during a Khaldor interview--I'm just poking fun 
MMA and Scarlett are my fave gamers right now so I'm very excited
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Part of me thinks: "They are all scared shitless of the Kespa players, aren't they."
Don't kill me with rocks.
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On April 11 2013 04:12 Popkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 04:05 InstantKarma wrote:
If they are going to have a WCS finals in North America with a live audience imagine the horror. The crowd would be so hostile to the Korean players. It's going to be hard to keep people from booing. That hasn't been the case at MLG where the top 8 is almost all Koreans, every time.
MLG has been presented as an "open" tournament for anyone in the international scene. This tournament is being marketed as the tournament to find the best representative of the NA scene. The Korean players are going to be thought of as intruders who crashed the NA scene and pushed the native NA players out of their own home tournament. A live audience is going to be indifferent or maybe even hostile to Korean players in a finals event.
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I am pretty sure that TheSTC is not part of Quantic Gaming, but is part of Col.
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Northern Ireland26499 Posts
So much anger . I'm convinced that this is a good long term endeavour but await to see how it actually functions.
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