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Atlas247
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada318 Posts
April 10 2013 20:12 GMT
#1501
This is so silly. What the heck is the point of having different regions? Just have it in korea if you are going to do it this way.
Windex Banana Lampshade
ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:14:15
April 10 2013 20:13 GMT
#1502
On April 11 2013 05:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Gotta be honest, I find it pretty lame Taeja and MC, and any other current Code S player who's already rich and is now abandoning the most prestigious tournament in the world in order to go face easier competition. It's such a blatant moneygrab lol.

Rain got a lot of flak back when he forfeited Code S. Surprised these two aren't getting the same treatment.

GSL before was not a qualifier for WSC, different times.

why Mvp? =(
Give us our snipe back - Ghost
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:15:54
April 10 2013 20:15 GMT
#1503
On April 11 2013 05:10 RogerChillingworth wrote:
i like how EG is totally fucking over any potential for their NA players (idra/demuslim) to make a splash.


Well due to proleague EG-TL can only afford to send 3 players to ro16 - wonder if coach Park will even let others even play in the qualifier, ro32 will happen on the same day before a proleague match.

Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
April 10 2013 20:16 GMT
#1504
On April 10 2013 18:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 18:10 bduddy wrote:
the "NA" championship will be a joke

Not anymore.


He means it's a joke because none of the top finishers will be from NA. Why not just have 3 Korean Tourneys?
esports
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
April 10 2013 20:17 GMT
#1505
Prepare yourselves, NA, you have just unleashed a monster into your tournament!
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:19:24
April 10 2013 20:19 GMT
#1506
Can we confirm whether the sponsors of NA Koreans are from NA and not EU or KR at least?
eneyeseekay
Profile Joined March 2013
239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:23:59
April 10 2013 20:21 GMT
#1507
As for Koreans being scattered across the globe, I think it's a great thing, on one condition though. They should train and attempt to communicate with the players from the regions they are competing in. I know that's a very "Learn the language" approach, but there needs to be a positive side-effect to Korean+non-Korean competition that benefits each scene as a whole. If E-Sports doesn't explode as a result of Korean competition, then who's to say the "foreign" pros and up-and-comers won't be starved-out in the process? Koreans deserve every penny they earn in prizes, nobody can deny that. It seems that most "foreign" pros would be honored to train with Koreans, I just hope the Koreans feel the same way when they land on NA's shores. If they stayed in NA as coaches or something running their own team houses, that would be a great turnout. THAT'S what I'm waiting to see.

It's possible that Blizzard's plan is "Put Koreans everywhere, grow viewership and culture, grow E-Sports everywhere", which I suspect, and really hope it is. I think of it as Blizzard planting E-Sports seeds all over the place in hopes of them growing and spreading, and using the WCS prize pools as fertilizer.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 10 2013 20:21 GMT
#1508
On April 11 2013 05:16 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 18:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
On April 10 2013 18:10 bduddy wrote:
the "NA" championship will be a joke

Not anymore.


He means it's a joke because none of the top finishers will be from NA. Why not just have 3 Korean Tourneys?


Unless he's one of those guys that thinks a tournament is a joke without 20 top tier Koreans.
gongshow41
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)49 Posts
April 10 2013 20:23 GMT
#1509
I don't understand why the NA list is such a shocker to everyone. Just as Artosis explained on SotG for players on Korean teams, players on western teams have western sponsors and will get more out of their players playing in NA based tournaments. Nearly all of the players, excpet maybe NesTea should have been expected to come over specifically because of their team: EG, Liquid, Axiom, quantic, ROOT all are western teams.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 10 2013 20:24 GMT
#1510
On April 11 2013 05:12 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 05:10 RogerChillingworth wrote:
i like how EG is totally fucking over any potential for their NA players (idra/demuslim) to make a splash.

Hos is EG at fault?
How would you feel as a korean playing staying at EG if you were told
"no you cant play in WCS:NA although technically you can and it has easier competition, we want your inferior teammates to get the money, you are to play in the much harder, Kespa/top eSF player infested WCS: KR"

Happy that I was receiving a salary in cutthroat, work-for-free SK? ^^

I do think the EU/US teams are to blame. They are weighing a short term advantage over the potential damage to the US scene.
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
April 10 2013 20:26 GMT
#1511
I think the problem is that the first part is online.

The koreans will still train in korea. They will still be better. This does not help NA players in any any any way at all.

I don't understand the point of having an NA, EU, and Korean league if it's like this. The divisions are so arbitrary and don't actually change anything. It just changes what studio you play in.
Ammoth
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden391 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:30:08
April 10 2013 20:29 GMT
#1512
The more I read/hear about this whole WCS circus, the more I feel blizzard should scrap the current chaos, and take another month to set it up properly, I don't mind waiting for getting this done properly. Pretty sure this won't happen but, I feel it's the only way to not hurt anyone and not let the ship sink before it leaves the dock.

Setup as in, residential locks etc, most of what Catz and others have been saying.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 10 2013 20:29 GMT
#1513
Does anyone think that there is a chance that there will be a change in the format?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
April 10 2013 20:30 GMT
#1514
I love how MVP is meta-gaming and going to EU!
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 10 2013 20:31 GMT
#1515
On April 11 2013 05:29 MCDayC wrote:
Does anyone think that there is a chance that there will be a change in the format?

No.
It's already set in stone.
Unless blizzard wants to admit its structure was a mistake, but that would be bad PR.
They would have to re-negotiate with IEM, MLG and GSL/OSL again which is a tough thing to do.
Expect very minor changes if theres any from blizzards part.

If they have balls, they'll take responsibility.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:31:58
April 10 2013 20:31 GMT
#1516
We know Koreans are the best... Koreans are angry that even though they're the best, they can't get shown because they have the same number of spots as NA/EU...

Why not just Split Korea into 2-3 divisions? Korea West/Central/East and then have 15-16 Korean invites, 8 EU, and 8 NA? Then 4/8 groups of 8/4 person round robin. -> ro16

I know it costs more... but just making Koreans fly around the world and stomp the shit out of all the foreigners doesn't seem to be a very forward thinking approach.

The Koreans deserve more seats according to their "skill density". It's not fair to create a Korean bloodbath, and it's not fair to have Foreign scenes have a much lower chance to sprout by crowding them with Code S caliber players.
A time to live.
Luzian
Profile Joined February 2013
Switzerland26 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:36:59
April 10 2013 20:32 GMT
#1517
I am actually very satisfied with how everything turned out.

Just look at the current GSL where 4 of the 6 players already advancing to the RO16 are Kespa players. Many ESF players just can't keep up and vanish to Code B one by one. Letting the bad ESF players compete in Europe and especially NA (since the latter completely lacks even halfway decent pros besides maybe Major and Scarlett) gives us the opportunity to still watch and cheer for our old favorites with watchable quality of the games even on NA without being completely filled with wannabe pros who completely lack the mindset to ever come even close to the level of Kespa players.


Yes, I understand all the worries and complaining about the foreign scene having an even harder time due to this. But in all seriousness, why should hard working Koreans be treated in a severely unfair manner when it's the foreigner's fault that most of their pros do not even understand what being a professional gamer even means? Arising inequalities would hurt the still very small SC2 eSports scene much more.

And don't compare WCS to something completely different such as Olympia. WCS is in the end an individual tournament while the Olympia is a competition between countries and rather a cultural and traditional event.




+ Show Spoiler +
On April 11 2013 05:33 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 05:24 m0ck wrote:
On April 11 2013 05:12 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 05:10 RogerChillingworth wrote:
i like how EG is totally fucking over any potential for their NA players (idra/demuslim) to make a splash.

Hos is EG at fault?
How would you feel as a korean playing staying at EG if you were told
"no you cant play in WCS:NA although technically you can and it has easier competition, we want your inferior teammates to get the money, you are to play in the much harder, Kespa/top eSF player infested WCS: KR"

Happy that I was receiving a salary in cutthroat, work-for-free SK? ^^

I do think the EU/US teams are to blame. They are weighing a short term advantage over the potential damage to the US scene.

are you implying that this is going to hurt the 'US scene'? how could it possibly get worse? there are a total of two good players from the entirety of North America, and not only is neither of them from the US, they also both live in Korea right now.

if anything, this is gonna help NA players as they are gonna get the chance to play against good players on a more regular basis which should help them improve, and maybe also realize just how bad they really are.


I completely agree with this!
ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
April 10 2013 20:33 GMT
#1518
From a viewers point of view,I'm really excited on whats going to happen. Can foreigners adapt or just fold.
Give us our snipe back - Ghost
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 10 2013 20:33 GMT
#1519
On April 11 2013 05:24 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 05:12 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 05:10 RogerChillingworth wrote:
i like how EG is totally fucking over any potential for their NA players (idra/demuslim) to make a splash.

Hos is EG at fault?
How would you feel as a korean playing staying at EG if you were told
"no you cant play in WCS:NA although technically you can and it has easier competition, we want your inferior teammates to get the money, you are to play in the much harder, Kespa/top eSF player infested WCS: KR"

Happy that I was receiving a salary in cutthroat, work-for-free SK? ^^

I do think the EU/US teams are to blame. They are weighing a short term advantage over the potential damage to the US scene.

are you implying that this is going to hurt the 'US scene'? how could it possibly get worse? there are a total of two good players from the entirety of North America, and not only is neither of them from the US, they also both live in Korea right now.

if anything, this is gonna help NA players as they are gonna get the chance to play against good players on a more regular basis which should help them improve, and maybe also realize just how bad they really are.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 10 2013 20:35 GMT
#1520
On April 11 2013 05:31 ShatterZer0 wrote:
We know Koreans are the best... Koreans are angry that even though they're the best, they can't get shown because they have the same number of spots as NA/EU...

Why not just Split Korea into 2-3 divisions? Korea West/Central/East and then have 15-16 Korean invites, 8 EU, and 8 NA? Then 4/8 groups of 8/4 person round robin. -> ro16

I know it costs more... but just making Koreans fly around the world and stomp the shit out of all the foreigners doesn't seem to be a very forward thinking approach.

The Koreans deserve more seats according to their "skill density". It's not fair to create a Korean bloodbath, and it's not fair to have Foreign scenes have a much lower chance to sprout by crowding them with Code S caliber players.



...actually yeah, this could work. Allow the NA and EU sandboxes to be residents of NA and EU only (so Polt and viOlet can still play NA), but avoid all the Koreans knocking each other out.

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