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LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 10 2013 15:36 GMT
#1201
Still wondering since nobody is answering..or if people arent sure..
Is this the final list for the switches? or only the confirmed ones?
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 15:38:15
April 10 2013 15:36 GMT
#1202
Why even have region locks? The whole thing just got alot less interesting to me. Was hoping to see some actual NA competition but now it will be even worse than last years WCS, yes Koreans deserve to compete but at the same time it defeats the entire purpose of the tournament. Why even try if your an aspiring pro in NA? Even the best players wont make it past the koreans. Somebody needs to start an actual foreign only tournament with a nice prize pool. If its payed for by foreigners than the koreans have no right to complain, they are not entitled to anything at all. Especially because they have 0 open tournaments in korea for foreigners to compete in even if they wanted. So dumb and frustrating.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 15:38:04
April 10 2013 15:37 GMT
#1203
On April 11 2013 00:33 dacimvrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 00:30 TimENT wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:26 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:15 Elairec wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:
On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:
[quote]

well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge!

Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz
Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber
Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon
hendralisk, Combat-Ex

There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard.


Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model?


But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time.


Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?


Don't be a prick; there will be vods


No, he wants to argue that an NA league will never work, that only Koreans can make SC2 work and that WCS will never be offline. Let him have his argument that defies fact.


You are still not getting the point..... It's obviously not sustainable. A tournament like GSL requires large sponsorships, and a decent number of subscribers to make it work. Hot6, LG, Sony...etc. sponsored GSLs before, who's gonna do that in NA? And how many people would actually subscribe to watch the players you listed play...... wake up....


A shit ton of people WILL subscribe for Scarlett and Idra alone. Combined with all these KR players coming, JAEDONG, VIOLET, RYUNG, MOTHERFUCKING POLT.

Oh and, who wouldn't subscribe to all 3 of these amazing tournaments? Oh, and who wouldn't sponsor all 3 of these regions? This shits about to blow up so hard.


err, for the record, scroll up, he said a GSL tournament with 32 NA players only, so that means no violet, ryung, polt, jaedong...but with players he listed like combat-ex



No I did not say that, but it does make your argument easier, so I can see why you would assume that. I didn't even provide that list. And Combat Ex is a joke.

I have said over and over that any player who wants to come and live in NA should be able to play. I don't want Korean players qualifying online and receiving paid plane tickets to the venue. I want local talent and players who are willing to take the risk moving out here to compete. Polt and Violet are fine and should be able to play.

If its offline, I don't care who plays, because the it is easier for the local talent to compete.
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black_ICE
Profile Joined November 2011
United States59 Posts
April 10 2013 15:37 GMT
#1204
This has to be the dumbest thing I've seen in a while. It's understandable that some KR players will want the easy money in NA, but at the cost of a GSL or OSL? I don't think anyone believes that being WCS NA champion is ever going to be more prestigious than GSL Code S champion. Forcing a player to choose between the two based on money seems wrong. It's like a pro footballer going to China or the Middle East for the easy money but no competition.

They should be running the season like tennis or golf. Four Grand Slam majors(GSL, OSL, MLG, ESL) spaced out through the year with minor feeder tournaments preceding each to accumulate enough points to qualify for the them. So the best players in the world can play against each other throughout the year instead of forcing them to segregate until the end. Then whoever has the most points at the end of the year is that year's best. Honestly for SC2 though, crowning a yearly world champion is pointless. SC2 is so dynamic with strategies changing and evolving so quickly at the moment, someone dominating at any point of the year could be irrelevant 3 months later. In this current format the world champion is going to be whoever is hot at the end of the year.
"We turn ourselves in now, they'll give us 20 years in the electric chair." - Darren Roskow
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
April 10 2013 15:38 GMT
#1205
On April 11 2013 00:30 lord_nibbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 23:50 BeyondCtrL wrote:
...
When the regional WCS become all offline the Koreans and Korean teams (only Incredible Miracle has so far dedicated players, all other teams are foreign owned) can consider permanently relocating to another region. Once this begins happening the level of play in regions should start improving further.
...
Step Two: Woo Korean teams and infrastructure with money that is not completely centralized in Seoul. Get them accustomed to the prospect that relocating is feasible. If the initial region locks are too severe then regions will become too insulated and will actually hurt long term growth.
...

Your point of view leaves me speechless. Seriously, like what the ..?

How big and wealthy do you think Korean teams are? What kind of unique asset do they posses? Why would you think that teams would have to be transfered anywhere? Or even could or wanted to?
Do you get what a sponsor does? What his interests are?

I am worried, either you (and the people praising your post) or me are living in a parallel universe, because your text made no economic sense to me.


If you, literally, read further you would see that I say:

"Thus moderate region locks are implemented with online qualifiers. Korean players and teams aren't so rich that they can buy a team house in some random city in EU or NA. On top of this there is no set location for offline events like GOM in Seoul. What incentive is there when you get a house in Poland and the tournament location is in France or Germany, or elsewhere? The Korean scene is possible because everything is centralized in one city."

Read more carefully please, I'm not suggesting that Korean teams will just relocate. What I'm suggesting is that the current announcement and the way the region locking is imposed is to warm Korean teams up to the idea of relocating sometime in the future. If Korean teams realize, for example, if the regional WCS and non-WCS tournaments begin to provide income comparable to Seoul then relocating wouldn't be so absurd. And if you actually read the entirety of my post it explains why this is beneficial to the respective regions.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
April 10 2013 15:39 GMT
#1206
On April 11 2013 00:35 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 00:34 blackone wrote:
A full year without GSL for MVP, so sad

To be honest his team was dwindling as the Kespa guys switch over and his wrist problems worsening.

What.
LG-IM is pretty much the least dwindling team in the world.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
April 10 2013 15:40 GMT
#1207
I'm actually a little surprised that nobody considered the fact that out of those 26 Koreans, only 5 of them are playing for Korean teams. If WCS NA and WCS EU are going to be played offline in just a few seaons, surely some of the European or North American players are going to benefit from training with Koreans. For this reason i am also very sorry to see HerO, TaeJa and Zenio playing in NA rather than EU since i'd like to see them play with Ret, TLO and Snute.
KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
April 10 2013 15:41 GMT
#1208
No wonder HuK was so pissed. This is getting absurd. I wonder why they don't make it so that you can only play where you live. Probably something to do with they want to see the Koreans in every field to get more viewers. Either way, it sucks to be an American Starcraft player right about now.
Paper is Imba. Scissors is fine. -Rock
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 10 2013 15:41 GMT
#1209
Region lock failed lol
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
April 10 2013 15:42 GMT
#1210
This is interesting, I wonder how many non Koreans will be in WCS, seeing the result for code A qualifiers is very scary, all the good players that got eliminated
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
April 10 2013 15:42 GMT
#1211
On April 11 2013 00:40 Prog455 wrote:
I'm actually a little surprised that nobody considered the fact that out of those 26 Koreans, only 5 of them are playing for Korean teams. If WCS NA and WCS EU are going to be played offline in just a few seaons, surely some of the European or North American players are going to benefit from training with Koreans. For this reason i am also very sorry to see HerO, TaeJa and Zenio playing in NA rather than EU since i'd like to see them play with Ret, TLO and Snute.


I've brought it up 3 time in the last few pages, but everyone just wants to complain. Par for the course here. Nobody on TL can see why this list is the best thing for the NA/EU scene in a while.
STX Fighting!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 10 2013 15:42 GMT
#1212
On April 11 2013 00:41 HeeroFX wrote:
Region lock failed lol


As if they even tried it.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 15:45:07
April 10 2013 15:42 GMT
#1213
On April 11 2013 00:37 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 00:33 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:30 TimENT wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:26 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:15 Elairec wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:
[quote]
Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz
Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber
Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon
hendralisk, Combat-Ex

There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard.


Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model?


But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time.


Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?


Don't be a prick; there will be vods


No, he wants to argue that an NA league will never work, that only Koreans can make SC2 work and that WCS will never be offline. Let him have his argument that defies fact.


You are still not getting the point..... It's obviously not sustainable. A tournament like GSL requires large sponsorships, and a decent number of subscribers to make it work. Hot6, LG, Sony...etc. sponsored GSLs before, who's gonna do that in NA? And how many people would actually subscribe to watch the players you listed play...... wake up....


A shit ton of people WILL subscribe for Scarlett and Idra alone. Combined with all these KR players coming, JAEDONG, VIOLET, RYUNG, MOTHERFUCKING POLT.

Oh and, who wouldn't subscribe to all 3 of these amazing tournaments? Oh, and who wouldn't sponsor all 3 of these regions? This shits about to blow up so hard.


err, for the record, scroll up, he said a GSL tournament with 32 NA players only, so that means no violet, ryung, polt, jaedong...but with players he listed like combat-ex



No I did not say that, but it does make your argument easier, so I can see why you would assume that. I didn't even provide that list. And Combat Ex is a joke.

I have said over and over that any player who wants to come and live in NA should be able to play. I don't want Korean players qualifying online and receiving paid plane tickets to the venue. I want local talent and players who are willing to take the risk moving out here to compete. Polt and Violet are fine and should be able to play.

If its offline, I don't care who plays, because the it is easier for the local talent to compete.


Except you did.. And offline won't make it easier for locals if they have to face polt or violet...lol..
On April 11 2013 00:37 Plansix wrote:
But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online.
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 15:44:35
April 10 2013 15:43 GMT
#1214
NA players RIP.

Probably shoulda made it done by where people live. Oh well. Worst possible outcome really, wrecked GSL and NA.
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
April 10 2013 15:43 GMT
#1215
This is actually a very good thing for StarCraft II in Europe and North America.
@colindeshong
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
April 10 2013 15:43 GMT
#1216
Blizzard decided to make support NA and EU regions by moving KR players to these regions.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 15:47:45
April 10 2013 15:43 GMT
#1217
Tying the GSL to the WCS is unfathomably stupid. It would be like tying the FIFA World Cup to the Olympics. They can both co-exist just fine together, and doing this only makes a mess of everything. Want to lock the regions?

Blizzard is banking heavily on foreigners stepping up. That isn't going to happen in the short term. Korea is an excellent training ground, much better than NA or EU. How many big time foreigners have gone over only to look terrible?

The result of this is that foreigners simply won't be competitive, and SC2 will be less interesting as a result.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
April 10 2013 15:43 GMT
#1218
On April 11 2013 00:32 R1CH wrote:
I'm okay with how this turned out with very few Koreans on non-foreign teams playing US. Disappointing news for sure for local talent, but at least we're not getting "faceless" Koreans thanks to the marketing and visibility associated with being on a foreign team, Blizzard has to be pretty happy about that.

I generally find koreans on foreign teams more 'faceless' than the koreans on korean teams. Just look at EG/Liquid: Non-koreans for the PR department, Koreans to play the actual game. Taeja has been on liquid forever and there's close to no content, same for HerO who has less community interaction than many korean pro.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
April 10 2013 15:45 GMT
#1219
On April 11 2013 00:36 LighT. wrote:
Still wondering since nobody is answering..or if people arent sure..
Is this the final list for the switches? or only the confirmed ones?


Nothing about this list is final. Blizz plans to release commitment lists by EoW
SooYoung-Noona!
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
April 10 2013 15:45 GMT
#1220
This is absurd though, I couldn't care less what team MVP or JD played for, they could be playing for real madrid esports for all I care. But what's the point of having a NA division when umm, half of them are korean? So that they can play live somewhere in the US, where they will most likely draw a mediocre crowd?
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
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