Koreans selecting WCS NA/EU List - Page 60

Noro

Canada991 Posts

April 10 2013 15:26 GMT

#1181

Lol, they're all coming to NA for easier competition? Kind of defeats the purpose when every korean player ever goes to NA.

I would love for the best players ever to make it through, but it doesn't make sense for the true regional players to not get a chance. I dunno, this makes all of my brains hurt :/

Blizzard: Please fix Esports?

LighT.

Canada4501 Posts

April 10 2013 15:27 GMT

#1182

So is this all the players switching over?
This really isnt that bad...
As I said before youre essentially losing like 4-5 Code S players
WCS KR is still going to be the toughest league. most of the very best eSF players are staying.

Also it looks like MC vs MVP in every WCS EU Finals unless someone like Naniwa or MMA can pull a rabbit out of their hat.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 10 2013 15:27 GMT

#1183

More information on WCS about later seasons:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407201

Key quote:
"How long do the players need to be available for the offline events?

For Season 1, players in the WCS America and WCS Europe regions will need to be available for approximately 3–4 days for offline events. All WCS Korea matches are played offline. In the future, we will be looking to extend the offline portions of both WCS America and WCS Europe, so please be aware that this will change in coming seasons. Players will be expected to participate in all offline portions of the league they are committing to. "

So it looks like later seasons there will be less of the seasons offline, though qualifiers may always be online. Hopefully the entire round of 32 will be offline next season.

vesicular

United States1310 Posts

April 10 2013 15:28 GMT

#1184

I still don't get how anyone can complain about that list. Koreans on foreign teams are not the same as Kespa+eSF players, of which there are hardly any in the list. To be honest I'm shocked there are so FEW koreans playing in NA/EU.

Overall if this list turns out to be accurate it's an amazing success for WCS.

dacimvrl

Vatican City State582 Posts

April 10 2013 15:29 GMT

#1185

On April 11 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:

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Not really, there is this button that makes them go faster. Its easier to skip the downtime when its not live.

and all of a sudden casual viewers are hardcore now and they subscribe to GSL which they don't even know or care for most of the players so they can watch vods.................. you defy logic..

so you said, you are a casual viewer, you don't care for koreans, you don't have time to watch all the games cuz leaves won't rake themselves, and yet you have access to GSL vods that you watch at work, and that you now apparently aren't casual and can spend more time to watch SC2 games.. so what the fuck are you talking about.. you can't argue both ways..

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 10 2013 15:30 GMT

#1186

On April 11 2013 00:26 dacimvrl wrote:

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On April 11 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:15 Elairec wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:
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For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA.

Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play.

well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge!

Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz
Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber
Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon
hendralisk, Combat-Ex

There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard.

Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model?

But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time.

Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?

Don't be a prick; there will be vods

No, he wants to argue that an NA league will never work, that only Koreans can make SC2 work and that WCS will never be offline. Let him have his argument that defies fact.

You are still not getting the point..... It's obviously not sustainable. A tournament like GSL requires large sponsorships, and a decent number of subscribers to make it work. Hot6, LG, Sony...etc. sponsored GSLs before, who's gonna do that in NA? And how many people would actually subscribe to watch the players you listed play...... wake up....

Enough to keep it viable. Not everyone is you and the NA audience would watch an event to see who is the best in NA. Just like a lot of people tuned into WCS EU 2012. But, you can believe what you want. Sponsors would come to be part of the Blizzard run, North America League.

TimENT

United States1425 Posts

April 10 2013 15:30 GMT

#1187

On April 11 2013 00:26 dacimvrl wrote:

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On April 11 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:15 Elairec wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:
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For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA.

well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge!

Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?

Don't be a prick; there will be vods

No, he wants to argue that an NA league will never work, that only Koreans can make SC2 work and that WCS will never be offline. Let him have his argument that defies fact.

A shit ton of people WILL subscribe for Scarlett and Idra alone. Combined with all these KR players coming, JAEDONG, VIOLET, RYUNG, MOTHERFUCKING POLT.

Oh and, who wouldn't subscribe to all 3 of these amazing tournaments? Oh, and who wouldn't sponsor all 3 of these regions? This shits about to blow up so hard.

lord_nibbler

Germany591 Posts

April 10 2013 15:30 GMT

#1188

On April 10 2013 23:50 BeyondCtrL wrote:
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When the regional WCS become all offline the Koreans and Korean teams (only Incredible Miracle has so far dedicated players, all other teams are foreign owned) can consider permanently relocating to another region. Once this begins happening the level of play in regions should start improving further.
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Step Two: Woo Korean teams and infrastructure with money that is not completely centralized in Seoul. Get them accustomed to the prospect that relocating is feasible. If the initial region locks are too severe then regions will become too insulated and will actually hurt long term growth.
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Your point of view leaves me speechless. Seriously, like what the ..?

How big and wealthy do you think Korean teams are? What kind of unique asset do they posses? Why would you think that teams would have to be transfered anywhere? Or even could or wanted to?
Do you get what a sponsor does? What his interests are?

I am worried, either you (and the people praising your post) or me are living in a parallel universe, because your text made no economic sense to me.

SinCitta

Germany2127 Posts

April 10 2013 15:31 GMT

#1189

BeyondCtrL, you have good points and I want to believe that this is what Blizzard is aiming for.

But: How can Blizzard communicate this so badly? And why is everything so rushed? There should have been at least a month between the announcement and the first league that uses the system, not a day.

Moreover, are we sure that the NA scene can hold on for another year without most of the players retiring and the teams surviving for another year? Why do we go from a hard region lock to a no-region-lock? It will be a mess when Koreans have to switch back if they can't move to their region next year.

I think ESL is perfectly able to host an all-offline WCS season by season 2, provided they receive the necessary funds by Blizzard. They have everything in place for LCS already. And I can imagine MLG never wants to lag behind. When everything works as it should in 2014, a lot of momentum and passion will be lost already.

TimENT

United States1425 Posts

April 10 2013 15:32 GMT

#1190

On April 11 2013 00:26 Bagi wrote:

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Has Stephano actually said he will take part in NA WCS? I thought he was going back to France soon.

No idea lmao

LighT.

Canada4501 Posts

April 10 2013 15:32 GMT

#1191

On April 10 2013 23:46 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
This is insane, no more reason to purchase a gom ticket as far as i'm concerned.

What are you talking about..
20 players off the top of my head:

Bomber
Life
Flash
Soulkey
Roro
Jangbi
Rain
Fantasy
DRG
Innovation
Parting
Squirtle
sOs
MKP
Gumiho
Leenock
Byun
Supernova
jjakji
Symbol

Just because a few Code S players and a few players with personalities switch over, its suddenly not worth the ticket anymore?

R1CH

Netherlands10341 Posts

April 10 2013 15:32 GMT

#1192

I'm okay with how this turned out with very few Koreans on non-foreign teams playing US. Disappointing news for sure for local talent, but at least we're not getting "faceless" Koreans thanks to the marketing and visibility associated with being on a foreign team, Blizzard has to be pretty happy about that.

dacimvrl

Vatican City State582 Posts

April 10 2013 15:33 GMT

#1193

On April 11 2013 00:30 TimENT wrote:

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On April 11 2013 00:26 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:15 Elairec wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:

On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play.

well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge!

Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?

Don't be a prick; there will be vods

No, he wants to argue that an NA league will never work, that only Koreans can make SC2 work and that WCS will never be offline. Let him have his argument that defies fact.

err, for the record, scroll up, he said a GSL tournament with 32 NA players only, so that means no violet, ryung, polt, jaedong...but with players he listed like combat-ex

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

April 10 2013 15:33 GMT

#1194

On April 11 2013 00:27 Plansix wrote:
More information on WCS about later seasons:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407201

Key quote:
"How long do the players need to be available for the offline events?

For Season 1, players in the WCS America and WCS Europe regions will need to be available for approximately 3–4 days for offline events. All WCS Korea matches are played offline. In the future, we will be looking to extend the offline portions of both WCS America and WCS Europe, so please be aware that this will change in coming seasons. Players will be expected to participate in all offline portions of the league they are committing to. "

So it looks like later seasons there will be less of the seasons offline, though qualifiers may always be online. Hopefully the entire round of 32 will be offline next season.

What the... according to the schedule posted at esfi, the players need to be available for 2 weeks (the first for ro16, the second for ro8 and onwards). What is going on here? Contradicting information everywhere!

source: http://www.esfiworld.com/wcs-america-europe-formats-detailed-invited-players-to-be-announced-april-12th/

KanoCoke

Japan863 Posts

April 10 2013 15:33 GMT

#1195

Well, ain't this a mess.

Blizzard, what exactly are you trying to do here?

BestWaffelz

14 Posts

April 10 2013 15:33 GMT

#1196

On April 11 2013 00:22 vojnik wrote:

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I can not agree more !

Is grubby not playing?

blackone

Germany1314 Posts

April 10 2013 15:34 GMT

#1197

A full year without GSL for MVP, so sad

vesicular

United States1310 Posts

April 10 2013 15:35 GMT

#1198

On April 11 2013 00:32 R1CH wrote:
I'm okay with how this turned out with very few Koreans on non-foreign teams playing US. Disappointing news for sure for local talent, but at least we're not getting "faceless" Koreans thanks to the marketing and visibility associated with being on a foreign team, Blizzard has to be pretty happy about that.

Exactly, Koreans on foreign teams *should* be in foreign WCS events. People are forgetting about the TEAMS here and only thinking about the players.

Blizzard has to be thrilled if this list is accurate.