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On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:24 Plansix wrote:
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I am sorry, do any of the EG players or teams I care about play in those? Are they sponsored and produced as a reasonable level. A bunch of amateur events are neat, but not thats not what we are talking about. There is no reason why we can't have a NA GSL that is off line, just like the GSL.
Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model?
why shouldn't it? I actually enjoyed IPL 1 very much because I wanted to know who the best NA player was. Its all about the stories and there is a lot of good stories there I would defiantly watch
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On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:24 Plansix wrote:
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I am sorry, do any of the EG players or teams I care about play in those? Are they sponsored and produced as a reasonable level. A bunch of amateur events are neat, but not thats not what we are talking about. There is no reason why we can't have a NA GSL that is off line, just like the GSL.
Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model?
But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time.
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Kinda doesn't sit well with me that current Code S players would jump ship to chase easy money. They currently represent the highest level of competition in the world and they're running from that to face easier competition. IMO it's dishonorable.
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It's a trap! Blizzard luring all the Korean players from the top foreign to commit to the NA WCS for a couple of seasons and then, SURPRISE, it will be offline only, forcing the teams to build the infrastructure needed in the city the studio is located.
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On April 11 2013 00:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
Wow, for the first time in a while NA will have more stacked competition than that of EU. I was expecting a more even split of players for those that didn't lock themselves into Kr tbh, bit of a surprise
Probably has to do with lower ping on NA compared to EU I think.
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On April 11 2013 00:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Kinda doesn't sit well with me that current Code S players would jump ship to chase easy money. They currently represent the highest level of competition in the world and they're running from that to face easier competition. IMO it's dishonorable.
Its not shocking at all. All the players in it for the money, though some die hard fans would like to claim that Koreans are in it for the love of the game. Its a little of both, but the money makes it easier to love the game.
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On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:
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Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model? But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time.
Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?
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On April 10 2013 23:29 Sjokola wrote:
I don't understand all the people who say they only want to see Koreans play because they are better. I wonder if these people don't support any local sports teams. Do they only watch Champions league? To me sports is all about supporting your local team/players and the stories and rivalries between the players.
In the Netherlands we have our football (soccer) league team FC Utrecht. It doesn't really matter to them how the season goes as long as they beat Ajax.
You are my new god. You just wrote it so good.
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On April 11 2013 00:09 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:32 dacimvrl wrote:
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Course. EG Masters, MSI masters, MLG exhibition matches, IPL showdowns last year, Day9's King of Beta tournaments..etc., and they are all very watchable. you ever watched any of them? Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model? why shouldn't it? I actually enjoyed IPL 1 very much because I wanted to know who the best NA player was. Its all about the stories and there is a lot of good stories there I would defiantly watch
Yes, but I honestly don't think it's sustainable or even profitable, and that's why there isn't one yet, and there won't be one in the future.
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While there are some negative aspects (highlighted by catz and other pro players), there are also some very positive benefits from this. The foreigner scene isnt going anywhere... if anything this only adds to the foreigner scene. Koreans were already traveling to NA and EU tournaments and winning them before WCS. If anything, this locks koreans in their WCS league more than previously was the case. Now there are a set amount of korean players in the division, which will hopefully bring the skill level up.
It definitely isn't the best situation. But it is absolutely an improvement. Keep in mind that this is just the first year. Additionally, it seems that Blizzard fully plans to implement more stringent region locking based on citizenship in the future. GIve WCS time to mature, please.
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On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:
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Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model? But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time. Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?
Well I rake leafs on the weekend and these are during the week. Plus, I watch GSL at work on my Iphone. I have time for both as long as they aren't weekend long events.
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The MVP players going for EU is really supprising... LG/SK is explainable through their relationship and SK being a EU team, same with Mill & Acer(being EU)... Would expect Mvp/MC to stay with Reis quite a bit in EU, MMA with some Acer staff and forgg in the Mill house obviously, but the MVP players? Strange...
Also, the KR <-> EU latency... eek.
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Blizzard... Managing to take a very simple concept and make it ridiculously difficult for everyone involved and basically shit on everyone for no other reason as to just do it.
Seems like usual business, I'm surprised anyone finds this surprising.
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On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:
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Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model? But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time. Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves?
Don't be a prick; there will be vods
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On April 11 2013 00:13 snafoo wrote:
The MVP players going for EU is really supprising... LG/SK is explainable through their relationship and SK being a EU team, same with Mill & Acer(being EU)... Would expect Mvp/MC to stay with Reis quite a bit in EU, MMA with some Acer staff and forgg in the Mill house obviously, but the MVP players? Strange...
Also, the KR <-> EU latency... eek.
Not enough to stop Hyun... on the other hand, neither were the 15 progamers send after his head in the fight club.
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On April 11 2013 00:10 JustPassingBy wrote:
It's a trap! Blizzard luring all the Korean players from the top foreign to commit to the NA WCS for a couple of seasons and then, SURPRISE, it will be offline only, forcing the teams to build the infrastructure needed in the city the studio is located.
you are only region locked for this year and this year is mostly online. If next year will be offline, they can still change back to korea if they want to.
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He listed combat-ex LOL!!!!!!
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On April 11 2013 00:13 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:09 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:34 Plansix wrote:
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Watched a whole bunch of the EG masters, MLG exhibitions and IPL show matches. Even King of the Beta. But I want more. I want an NA GSL that is offline and does not provide excepts for Korean players who want to qualify online. And I want it sooner, rather than later. So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model? why shouldn't it? I actually enjoyed IPL 1 very much because I wanted to know who the best NA player was. Its all about the stories and there is a lot of good stories there I would defiantly watch Yes, but I honestly don't think it's sustainable or even profitable, and that's why there isn't one yet, and there won't be one in the future.
You do know that WCS is going to be offline in 2014, right? Its going to be mostly NA players at that point, unless the Korean players want to live in the US.
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On April 11 2013 00:15 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:11 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 00:10 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 00:07 dacimvrl wrote:On April 11 2013 00:03 StarVe wrote:On April 10 2013 23:55 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:52 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 23:45 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 23:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 10 2013 23:38 dacimvrl wrote:
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So you are already aware of these tournaments and you asked if there's any? You keep contradicting yourself..... Like someone already mentioned, you simply cannot fill an entire roster of NA players in that 32 man format, I don't think I can even list 10 notable NA players off the top of my head. You might as well just watch CSL. To be fair, I cannot as well, but that is because I am not part of the NA community. I can probably list the names of two dozen european players the average joe on NA has never heard of though. For the record, there's a lot more notable euro players, and I can easily list 10 or 12, but my point still stands in NA. Yeah, but all the EU players I would say I hadn't heard of and were not good enough to justify a slot, just like you would do for the 10-12 NA players I would name off. The point is that both regions have talent, but the Koreans are often given exceptions to make sure they can compete in tournaments. There is room for an NA and EU league that is held off line and that players have to come in person to play. well, I am pretty familiar with the NA scene, so try me, try to even list 32 NA players. It's a challenge! Scarlett, IdrA, HuK, Machine, incontrol, LZgamer, NonY, State, Illusion, Catz Drewbie, Theognis, Vibe, Minigun, qxc, Ddoro, Masa, TT1, Suppy, Caliber Sasquatch, Trimaster, Insur, Axslav, Leiya, Tubbythefat, Major, Maker, Remark, Glon hendralisk, Combat-Ex There you go. Yes, it's fucking hard. Pretty sure a bunch retired or do not play professionally..... Not only that, do you think people would rather watch this over GSL, and that a league filled with these players is a sustainable business model? But we can watch both. They aren't on at the same time. It not one of the other. We can have it all. Though I understand if you refuse to accept that in an attempt to make your point that it should be all Koreans all the time. Let me quote you from earlier - " we only have so much time, the leaves in the backyard aren't gonna rake themselves", so all of a sudden, the leaves in your backyard are gonna rake themselves? Don't be a prick; there will be vods
Don't be a retard, vods require TIME to watch..
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