EPTWCS 2013 Announced - April 3rd - Page 91
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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Kylo55
Poland64 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:17 pepe08 wrote: i think you are right there, will be a even harder decision for every non korean to compete in gsl. because yes they won't be able to compete in WCS NA/EU if they play GSL So thats it for non-koreans in GSL :/ I dont see any non-korean player who will want to play in wcs korea, instead of EU/NA, and i dont see that chance to get like ro16 code S can change it :/ | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:31 Kylo55 wrote: So thats it for non-koreans in GSL :/ I dont see any non-korean player who will want to play in wcs korea, instead of EU/NA, and i dont see that chance to get like ro16 code S can change it :/ Major, hopefully Naniwa and Sase You know, players with balls and a drive to be the best. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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kottbullar
Australia490 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote: No offense, but I think that's a good thing. The top 16 at the WORLD FINALS should be the Best 16 players in the world, I want to see the best players playing at the world finals and the best games. I don't want to see a token American there because the tournament system let him through when he really isn't as good. Maybe if the non koreans want to get into the world finals they might finally work harder to practice and get on the same level. None taken, I actually agree with you as I also want to see the highest level of play. But as I heard lately on Sotg (Catz iirc), the main problem with foreigners nowadays is motivation. Can you imagine the difficulty of continue to practice as hard when you know that you can barely hope for a top 8 in any competition you go to?) A better announcement from Blizz could have really given a great objective for foreigners to continue practicing more and more. tl:dr-> The idea is good, but frankly they could have thought this out a lot more and given a really nice boost to the entire scene. | ||
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subvn
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
It's like people getting to code S, they may go out in the first round, but they'll still have been said to be in Code S, the best place their is up until now. Incontrol was seriously gushing praise like nobodies business and he even admitted that until now hes always complained about how Blizzard haven't really been doing enough. Listening to him explain everything from his point of view was fantastic and well worth barely sleeping for. The way he was talking about it made me understand it a hell of a lot more than I did when Slasher first linked it. | ||
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d00p
711 Posts
On April 03 2013 16:10 HowdySC2 wrote: The thing I hate most about this announcement is that it completely snubs the China and Taiwanese scene. Sen doesn't need his own tournament. As for China, if they showed any incentive to actually play abroad, maybe things would be different.. but they NEVER come to any tournaments and you never hear from them. And remember that you will earn points from select non-wcs tourneys (Dreamhack included probably), just not as much. So those won't be obsolete. The only peolpe this kinda f'd are the non-code S Koreans but they still have a shot at a GSL/OSL and prize money even if they can't go to BlizzCon. I would maybe consider getting rid of the codes but otherwise I wouldn't change a thing. This will be really cool. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:09 nihlon wrote: I think you are overestimating how important blizzard is to the esport scene. Their responsibility is to make a good game, any artificial support of esport will only have short term effects if the game is not any good and the longevity will be up to other parties (MLG and such) and the community. If you want to have a lasting sports scene for sc2 we shouldn't sit on our asses and wait for Blizzard to save the day. I m not estimating anything. I m just saying a different move might have been helpful to the foreigner scene. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote: No offense, but I think that's a good thing. The top 16 at the WORLD FINALS should be the Best 16 players in the world, I want to see the best players playing at the world finals and the best games. I don't want to see a token American there because the tournament system let him through when he really isn't as good. Maybe if the non koreans want to get into the world finals they might finally work harder to practice and get on the same level. I think dividing the world tournament into regions will encourage participation from all over the world, and is good for NA and EU players regardless if they make it to the finals. This tournament format seems insanely challenging and the first NA/EU player to make it to the final 16 will gain instant fame in the foreigner community. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:46 d00p wrote: Sen doesn't need his own tournament. As for China, if they showed any incentive to actually play abroad, maybe things would be different.. but they NEVER come to any tournaments and you never hear from them. And remember that you will earn points from select non-wcs tourneys (Dreamhack included probably), just not as much. So those won't be obsolete. The only peolpe this kinda f'd are the non-code S Koreans but they still have a shot at a GSL/OSL and prize money even if they can't go to BlizzCon. I would maybe consider getting rid of the codes but otherwise I wouldn't change a thing. This will be really cool. Ye, you try getting a visa for Germany (taking German visa as an example, because I know it well) from China for "just" a gaming event and then we'll see. :o | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:17 pepe08 wrote: i think you are right there, will be a even harder decision for every non korean to compete in gsl. because yes they won't be able to compete in WCS NA/EU if they play GSL who cares... there is NO international players in GSL anyway... let's get real I think that actually the format that they propose is the only way this can work, the only thing that could be changed is making offline matches at a bit earlier stage of the tournaments, in order to give Koreans incentives to live outside of Korea, and to make them practice with foreigners in foreign countries, this could help develop the international community and let's face it, the development of the international community is in the interest of everyone, including Koreans | ||
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wildstyle1337
Poland514 Posts
World championship of Korea | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:55 wildstyle1337 wrote: " It is possible for Korean players to choose to play in the NA/EU online leagues if they qualify" World championship of Korea Yeah, I don't get it why they are calling it WCS NA, WCS EU when it isn't limited to NA or EU anyways. They should've just made three online qualifiers then. | ||
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th3rogue
Germany683 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:57 JustPassingBy wrote: Yeah, I don't get it why they are calling it WCS NA, WCS EU when it isn't limited to NA or EU anyways. They should've just made three online qualifiers then. The offline parts of WCS NA and EU are hosted in NA and EU. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
In this new system, if I understand it correctly, only the most hyped Plaery will get even more hyped. I think, this is a step backwards. | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:34 zefreak wrote: Major, hopefully Naniwa and Sase You know, players with balls and a drive to be the best. Exactly... If you want to be the best you need to train with the best. Period. Being the best is an attitude. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
I mean we have two main complaints with the proposed system, both completely and obviously contradictory: 1) "Koreans will just dominate every scene!" 2) "This is just affirmative action for non-Koreans!" The best part is that almost every complaint uses both arguments! You have people predicting both scenarios and hating on the idea for doing both at the same time even though they are mutually exclusive! I would laugh if it wasn't so depressing. It's like almost half of the fan-base hates the idea of the best (Korean) players winning, and the other vast majority hates the idea of any tournament that doesn't feature only the absolute peak of the current scene. And when Blizzard (and almost every other major SC2 organization) creates a system that both ensures the right of the current best to be the best, and at the same time creates an avenue for non-Koreans to possibly become the best in the future; both sides condemn it for the very same reasons they use to condemn the scene as it is. Either the foreigners magically become good enough to compete with Koreans (as one half of one half of the fan-base seems to expect) or Koreans are unfairly excluded from specific foreigner scenes (as the other half of the one half desires). The first is impossible, and the second does nothing but ensures that foreigners will never compete on the highest level. Let's take the "worst" case scenarios being tossed around here and explore them for a bit: 1) Code B Koreans, en masse, switch over and dominate the EU and NA scenes. Well... is that really all that different from how it is now? Last MLG, people were excited because a foreigner took ONE stinking game off of one Korean. Not because he made some epic run to the semi's, not for upsetting a powerhouse... but because he took ONE game in a Bo3. People are excited because Stephano makes it through the Up Downs to requlaify for Code S. Not because he won Code S, or because he was in the finals and came close to winning. Excitement for even qualifying for it. Even Naniwa's run (which I was pumped about) was just making it to the quarter finals twice in a row. Koreans already dominate the scene's in which they compete. In this "horrible" scenario, the Koreans just continue their domination. Only difference is that the foreigner has a better chance under the new system than ever before, as he won't be facing the cream of the crop, but the Code B castoffs. And the potential earnings for him/her, even if he/she doesn't win, are greater now than before in the winner-take-all system that invites Code S quality players. 2) It's affirmative action for foreigners; only Korea WCS will be relevant. Well if Code B Koreans switch over, there will actually be a decent amount of competition for foreigners. Only foreigners who have proven themselves to be on a level higher than Code B will be capable of advancing through said Code B Koreans. And when they face the Code A, Code S quality Koreans in the seasonal finals (and other non-WCS events), they will either prove themselves worthy, or be overshadowed by their betters. At the end of the day, under this system, only the best of the best will be featured in the world finals. Even a semi-careful look at the proposed system should be enough to show that no one will breeze through on points without earning those points against the cream of the crop. 3. Koreans will conspire to dominate all three scenes. I guess maybe this is a possibility, but honestly, the bad PR combined with the loss of benefits (being locked into the one region) almost certainly exclude any teams from actually going through with something like this. Sure, some teams might spread themselves out to keep some options open, but that will only serve to raise the overall quality of play and practice for the foreign scenes, thus increasing the likelihood of actual growth on the part of foreigner players. 4. This dilutes the GSL/OSL, makes it not as competitive. I fail to see how it will significantly dilute the GSL. If enough lower level players switch over to make the KR scene become that diluted, than they would have only reversed the situation. The GSL now becomes an easier tournament than the EU WCS (for example) because of all the switch-overs. But that's ridiculous. Why would you switch over to a tournament system that will shortly become as difficult or more difficult than the one you are already in? Most likely, only a select few will make the switch; and that will not be enough to really dilute the KR tournaments, but will raise the overall quality of play in the EU/NA tournaments. As far as I can tell, this is one of the best things, if not the best thing, to happen to the SC2 competitive scene ever. It simplifies a complex relationship between the multiple leagues and tournaments that are going right now, consolidates the scene into being more cohesive and inclusive, and will most likely lead to an overall rise in the standards of game-play for both Koreans and foreigners. And the extra bonus is that it probably will also lead toward a more standardized and equalized opportunity to "go pro"; as now a foreigner doesn't have to rely on a miracle run through a stacked tournament to possibly make a splash and get some cash. They can do well in their specific scene and that might be enough to keep them afloat until they can improve the point of making that real jump into the territory of legends. Blizzard is genius for this move. I am just hoping the community recognizes genius when they see it and doesn't let their knee-jerk-pessimism get in the way of what could be an amazing opportunity to grow the scene in a very healthy, effective way. | ||
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