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On April 03 2013 18:58 Boonbag wrote:
I think, (maybe i'm wrong and misunderstood the whole thing) that people angry and afraid it will lower the single tournament korean level are wrong. It will all remain the same, just on top of the regular individual korean leagues, you'll get a final international tournament.
What's wrong with that ?
Very positive that they add an "official" individual league for both EU / NA.
This is VERY good and the best possible move I think for trying to sanctuarise SC esport in EU/NA.
Supporting EU/NA e-sports by limiting the number of koreans being able to get spots through those continents would probably have been better if you asked me. Everybody knows its going to be 16 koreans every year this way.
I don't really mind, but i really think the foreigner scene is going to become the same as it was during sc:BW.... Too bad, Blizz definitily had the opportunity to avoid this!
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On April 03 2013 19:03 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:58 Boonbag wrote:
I think, (maybe i'm wrong and misunderstood the whole thing) that people angry and afraid it will lower the single tournament korean level are wrong. It will all remain the same, just on top of the regular individual korean leagues, you'll get a final international tournament.
What's wrong with that ?
Very positive that they add an "official" individual league for both EU / NA.
This is VERY good and the best possible move I think for trying to sanctuarise SC esport in EU/NA. Supporting EU/NA e-sports by limiting the number of koreans being able to get spots through those continents would probably have been better if you asked me. Everybody knows its going to be 16 koreans every year this way. I don't really mind, but i really think the foreigner scene is going to become the same as it was during sc:BW.... Too bad, Blizz definitily had the opportunity to avoid this!
or maybe having a permanent running thing can push some teams to establish theirselves better and attract money, rather than having for ultimate goal to compete in Korea and get real sponsor money from them because they're the only pro esports system providing such thing.
edit : what interests me more would be to know how much benefits they got from HOTS sales and what was their process to withdraw the money they provide for the tournament prizes.
How did they determine the 1.6 number, why didn't they put more ? Is there a multi year proespect on this, or is this just a test.
Because 1.6m sounds pretty small to me. However, I have no clue how big it really is for blizzard. As in, could've they put 16 millions instead, for instance, without any difficulty ?
Yeah, how big actually is the 1.6m number ? Money comes from their own pocket or is linked to HOTS sales ?
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i understand that a lot of the people who frequent teamliquid are hardcore starcraft fans and want to see the best play being rewarded the most (i.e. the korean scene) but feeding more money into that scene is not nearly as good for sc2 as a whole than feeding money and motivations for foreigners to do well. i am definitely korean-starcraft centric but i realise the importance of the casual viewer following their chosen sc2 pro (e.g. idra, stephano, etc).
remember that WCS EU was one of the most successful tournaments last year, and if WCS EU can pull off similar production this year it should turn out well too. i'm more concerned about WCS NA's level of play - last year's wasn't carried out so well as a side event - but I am hopeful that it can lead to good things.
i understand all the comments regarding lower levels of play and less GSLs and so on, but the GSL/OSL will still retain their prestige. i really don't think many relevant koreans will be switching to NA or EU, and I actually believe that hardworking foreigner pros can duke it out with code B koreans. you probably won't see NSH's Madbull or Prime's Lucy doing too well in NA/EU if they decide to play there instead. no kespa players will leave, and i doubt any top esf players like gumiho or sniper or whatever will be leaving.
koreans may stomp the rest during the season and yearly finals, but that's just part of the scene settling in, and hopefully we can promote better play from all the scenes. everyone recognises the importance of foreigners doing well for the scene (no matter how popular BW was in korea, it was dead everywhere else and we don't want that situation to occur). ideally everyone should be playing S-class starcraft. that may be a long time yet, but WCS is a decent first step in providing the monetary support and motivation for the better foreigners
either way, it's simply more tournaments and more money in the scene, which isn't really a bad thing (and oversaturation shouldn't be that much of an issue with the centralised esports control). there is room for a lot of improvement, but let's give WCS a chance and see how it pans out this year, yes? esports as a whole is still a fairly new genre and there are definitely growing pains to come.
Poll: What is your opinion on the announcement?Pretty good, but could use improvement (44) 39% Completely positive! (28) 25% It's bloody horrible (23) 21% I don't like it (11) 10% Neutral (6) 5% 112 total votes Your vote: What is your opinion on the announcement? (Vote): Completely positive!
(Vote): Pretty good, but could use improvement
(Vote): Neutral
(Vote): I don't like it
(Vote): It's bloody horrible
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On April 03 2013 18:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:17 Schelim wrote:On April 03 2013 18:13 theatreofwar wrote:Sigh. It makes me so sad to see the GSL being tampered with.. It's the only tournament that I follow religiously these days because pretty much all other ones are just not up to par  GSL has not changed in any way whatsoever. ok, OGN will also broadcast it, but you can still just watch on GOM (like everybody else will because Tastosis). aside from that, the GSL is still the same tournament as before, except HD is now apparently free. Except there will be less GSL each year. Not necessarily.
At least for 2013.
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On April 03 2013 19:03 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:58 Boonbag wrote:
I think, (maybe i'm wrong and misunderstood the whole thing) that people angry and afraid it will lower the single tournament korean level are wrong. It will all remain the same, just on top of the regular individual korean leagues, you'll get a final international tournament.
What's wrong with that ?
Very positive that they add an "official" individual league for both EU / NA.
This is VERY good and the best possible move I think for trying to sanctuarise SC esport in EU/NA. Supporting EU/NA e-sports by limiting the number of koreans being able to get spots through those continents would probably have been better if you asked me. Everybody knows its going to be 16 koreans every year this way. I don't really mind, but i really think the foreigner scene is going to become the same as it was during sc:BW.... Too bad, Blizz definitily had the opportunity to avoid this!
I think you are overestimating how important blizzard is to the esport scene. Their responsibility is to make a good game, any artificial support of esport will only have short term effects if the game is not any good and the longevity will be up to other parties (MLG and such) and the community. If you want to have a lasting sports scene for sc2 we shouldn't sit on our asses and wait for Blizzard to save the day.
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Thanks pepe08!
sorry but third question(Maybe same as second question)
3.Scarlett now in Korea and Naniwa will go Korea soon.I think they have plan to try for GSL.If they try to play in GSL, they can no longer play WCS NA or WCS EU and they have to play for WCS Korea throughout this year?If so,foreigner's challenge for GSL is dead....
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On April 03 2013 19:08 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 03 2013 18:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:17 Schelim wrote:On April 03 2013 18:13 theatreofwar wrote:Sigh. It makes me so sad to see the GSL being tampered with.. It's the only tournament that I follow religiously these days because pretty much all other ones are just not up to par GSL has not changed in any way whatsoever. ok, OGN will also broadcast it, but you can still just watch on GOM (like everybody else will because Tastosis). aside from that, the GSL is still the same tournament as before, except HD is now apparently free. Except there will be less GSL each year. Not necessarily. At least for 2013.
Have they announced all standalone tournaments?
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On April 03 2013 19:10 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:08 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 03 2013 18:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:17 Schelim wrote:On April 03 2013 18:13 theatreofwar wrote:Sigh. It makes me so sad to see the GSL being tampered with.. It's the only tournament that I follow religiously these days because pretty much all other ones are just not up to par GSL has not changed in any way whatsoever. ok, OGN will also broadcast it, but you can still just watch on GOM (like everybody else will because Tastosis). aside from that, the GSL is still the same tournament as before, except HD is now apparently free. Except there will be less GSL each year. Not necessarily. At least for 2013. Have they announced all standalone tournaments?
As far as this thread knows, there are no standalone GSL or OSL. MLG has that though.
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I voted don't like in opterown's poll but it would be more accurate to say I'm worried and change is scary. I don't want the korean scene (which is the only one I follow seriously) to be diminished so that foreigners can earn a paycheck.
I'll be happy to be wrong, though.
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On April 03 2013 19:03 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:58 Boonbag wrote:
I think, (maybe i'm wrong and misunderstood the whole thing) that people angry and afraid it will lower the single tournament korean level are wrong. It will all remain the same, just on top of the regular individual korean leagues, you'll get a final international tournament.
What's wrong with that ?
Very positive that they add an "official" individual league for both EU / NA.
This is VERY good and the best possible move I think for trying to sanctuarise SC esport in EU/NA. Supporting EU/NA e-sports by limiting the number of koreans being able to get spots through those continents would probably have been better if you asked me. Everybody knows its going to be 16 koreans every year this way. I don't really mind, but i really think the foreigner scene is going to become the same as it was during sc:BW.... Too bad, Blizz definitily had the opportunity to avoid this!
No offense, but I think that's a good thing.
The top 16 at the WORLD FINALS should be the Best 16 players in the world, I want to see the best players playing at the world finals and the best games. I don't want to see a token American there because the tournament system let him through when he really isn't as good.
Maybe if the non koreans want to get into the world finals they might finally work harder to practice and get on the same level.
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On April 03 2013 19:09 Horiken wrote:
Thanks pepe08!
sorry but third question(Maybe same as second question)
3.Scarlett now in Korea and Naniwa will go Korea soon.I think they have plan to try for GSL.If they try to play in GSL, they can no longer play WCS NA or WCS EU and they have to play for WCS Korea throughout this year?If so,foreigner's challenge for GSL is dead....
i think you are right there, will be a even harder decision for every non korean to compete in gsl.
because yes they won't be able to compete in WCS NA/EU if they play GSL
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Players must pick what region they wish to play in, and are not restricted by nationality.
Suddenly, 16 koreans
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On April 03 2013 19:13 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:10 nihlon wrote:On April 03 2013 19:08 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 03 2013 18:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:17 Schelim wrote:On April 03 2013 18:13 theatreofwar wrote:Sigh. It makes me so sad to see the GSL being tampered with.. It's the only tournament that I follow religiously these days because pretty much all other ones are just not up to par GSL has not changed in any way whatsoever. ok, OGN will also broadcast it, but you can still just watch on GOM (like everybody else will because Tastosis). aside from that, the GSL is still the same tournament as before, except HD is now apparently free. Except there will be less GSL each year. Not necessarily. At least for 2013. Have they announced all standalone tournaments? As far as this thread knows, there are no standalone GSL or OSL. MLG has that though. There also is no conformation that there are no standalone gsl or osl.
I don't know, but the point is you don't either. You just claimed there will be less, without any support.
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On April 03 2013 19:17 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:03 Douillos wrote:On April 03 2013 18:58 Boonbag wrote:
I think, (maybe i'm wrong and misunderstood the whole thing) that people angry and afraid it will lower the single tournament korean level are wrong. It will all remain the same, just on top of the regular individual korean leagues, you'll get a final international tournament.
What's wrong with that ?
Very positive that they add an "official" individual league for both EU / NA.
This is VERY good and the best possible move I think for trying to sanctuarise SC esport in EU/NA. Supporting EU/NA e-sports by limiting the number of koreans being able to get spots through those continents would probably have been better if you asked me. Everybody knows its going to be 16 koreans every year this way. I don't really mind, but i really think the foreigner scene is going to become the same as it was during sc:BW.... Too bad, Blizz definitily had the opportunity to avoid this! No offense, but I think that's a good thing. The top 16 at the WORLD FINALS should be the Best 16 players in the world, I want to see the best players playing at the world finals and the best games. I don't want to see a token American there because the tournament system let him through when he really isn't as good. Maybe if the non koreans want to get into the world finals they might finally work harder to practice and get on the same level.
but the thing is - without the support and motivation, the american will never get to qualify. it's systems like this that might - slowly, over time - build up the talent that is present in NA or EU to become as good as the koreans. imagine all the untapped stephanos that might be lurking around. it won't happen right away, and maybe not even next year - but i think this is a decent first step. if the current system of MLGs and DHs continue with top koreans owning foreigners who don't have the infrastructure to practice and do well, then the scene stagnates, and the casual viewer drops out.
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On April 03 2013 19:14 zefreak wrote:
I voted don't like in opterown's poll but it would be more accurate to say I'm worried and change is scary. I don't want the korean scene (which is the only one I follow seriously) to be diminished so that foreigners can earn a paycheck.
I'll be happy to be wrong, though.
My sentiments exactly.
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On April 03 2013 19:19 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:13 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 19:10 nihlon wrote:On April 03 2013 19:08 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 03 2013 18:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 03 2013 18:17 Schelim wrote:On April 03 2013 18:13 theatreofwar wrote:Sigh. It makes me so sad to see the GSL being tampered with.. It's the only tournament that I follow religiously these days because pretty much all other ones are just not up to par GSL has not changed in any way whatsoever. ok, OGN will also broadcast it, but you can still just watch on GOM (like everybody else will because Tastosis). aside from that, the GSL is still the same tournament as before, except HD is now apparently free. Except there will be less GSL each year. Not necessarily. At least for 2013. Have they announced all standalone tournaments? As far as this thread knows, there are no standalone GSL or OSL. MLG has that though. There also is no conformation that there are no standalone gsl or osl. I don't know, but the point is you don't either. You just claimed there will be less, without any support.
Gom will cast OSL simultaneously on GomTV, while OGN doing that on tv. How can they have the time to cast OSL if they have their own GSL going on at the same time.
On the other hand, it won't make sense for GSL top 8 to be seeded in both OSL and GSL of next season which will happen almost simultaneously. And when OSL season ends, there will be WCS KR top 8 and GSL top 8 at the same time, which group of top 8 will be seeded to next GSL which equals WCS KR?
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"Having some amount of Koreans competing in NA and EU will raise the excitement factor and competitive bar without having a negative impact."
Seems legit :D.
Should make it GSL style (offline qualifiers), I think this would drastically reduce the ammount of koreans given that one can only qualify from one region.
Make X of qualifier lan outside the big EU events (DH,IEM.HSC) + ability to qualify only trough one region = almost no koreans in EU. at least id hope so
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On April 03 2013 19:17 pepe08 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:09 Horiken wrote:
Thanks pepe08!
sorry but third question(Maybe same as second question)
3.Scarlett now in Korea and Naniwa will go Korea soon.I think they have plan to try for GSL.If they try to play in GSL, they can no longer play WCS NA or WCS EU and they have to play for WCS Korea throughout this year?If so,foreigner's challenge for GSL is dead.... i think you are right there, will be a even harder decision for every non korean to compete in gsl. because yes they won't be able to compete in WCS NA/EU if they play GSL
I may be wrong. But i think Scarllet already refused this season seed for GSL.
I think it was for not being locked.
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