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Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
April 01 2013 14:31 GMT
#121
Honestly I don't understand why so many people say 5 weeks won't do that much. That's probably true for an established pro who is already playing full time but for a player like Suppy 5 weeks of intensive training in Korea can achieve a lot. I think you people overestimate the notion that going to Korea will not help your improvement short term which was brought up by Idra a couple of times. I definitely think that there is some truth to it but I think it depends on entirely on approach, mindset and mentality.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 01 2013 14:35 GMT
#122
On April 01 2013 23:20 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2013 22:11 Branman wrote:
On April 01 2013 16:26 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 01 2013 11:42 Branman wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:30 Maghetti wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:22 Alryk wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:55 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:52 Alryk wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:51 Zenbrez wrote:
Not buying it


It's still march in the USA. Could probably ask Suppy for confirmation on twitter or something.

@Mistertea: Suppy is in college, so obviously he can't go for very long.

It's also still March in Canada, interesting huh? Many companies (Blizzard to name one) frequently makes their announcements on March 31st. The tweet says he's going during may, which is when school is off (assuming he isn't taking summer school, which he has been doing in the past), which makes it seem more real. If it is a joke, wouldn't you want it to seem real, and not blatantly obvious?

Even if I'm wrong, so what? Nothing. I'm not buying it.


o.O ok sorry, lol. My family lives in Canada, I happen to be in the US. I could have also said central, south america, and mexico, but I happened to go with the country I'm in. I'd also have been forgetting any number of islands like Cuba etc. I didn't look at where you live.

I'm not disputing your ability to not buy it. You're more than welcome to do so, I was simply stating evidence as to why I could see it being real.

Plus, this isn't cruel, funny, or otherwise interesting. I don't think it would make a very interesting april fool's joke. On april 2nd, EG is like "lol april fools," but who cares? XD

On April 01 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:18 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:51 MisterTea wrote:
only 5 weeks? =/ stay there longer/permanently

He's still in school.

Why does it seem like half the foreigners are trying to be progamers while in school? What is the point? They can't possibly be competitive with the koreans like this...


You know suppy beat polt towards the end of WoL in a showmatch? Before polt semi-retired to go study that is. He's pretty good. Obviously he isn't going to win GSL anytime soon, but he's also not a full time progamer.

I'm just saying that the foreigner scene will never keep up if they do not fully dedicate themselves. Sure, maybe they get the last laugh when they have good careers to transition into later in life but in the mean time they will be mediocre pro gamers. I'm fine with people wanting to transition in life I just want to see some more committed players.


Maybe we need less commitment from Koreans?

I'm sure I'm not most people, but I don't care about a league which features players who dropped out of high school to work for a professional gaming team dedicated to building brand recognition for a large corporation (basically Kespa style proleague teams). Similarly, I wouldn't care about a baseball league or baseball records where all of the players are taking steroids, and I don't care about the skill of athletes who graduate from East-Germany style athletic schools. I know that admiring the sacrifice of players in their passionate pursuit of progaming is a big thing on TL, but there are many things not worth sacrificing.

Kudos to Suppy for trying to have it all. I hope that he does great things when he can go full time after he graduates from school.


First of all, I'm not aware of any Koreans who've dropped out of high school to become progamers. Players like Flash, Stats, Jaedong, etc, have all graduated high school. Secondly, why do you care if the teams are sponsored by big corporations? Do you care that sports arenas are owned by big corporations, or that people working regular jobs are at big corporations? What does this even mean?

Thirdly, are you ACTUALLY spending a lot of time practicing to using steroids? Spending a lot of time practicing is commitment and professionalism. Using steroids to play baseball is illegal. Sure, it'd be nice if the players could also have more free time, but that's what the job entails. Just like if you're a professional hockey player you have to travel a lot and sustain some injuries. All jobs involve some sort of sacrifices. Not caring about the top leagues for these reasons is absolutely absurd.


Based on my knowledge from what others said on a previous thread when I brought this up, Flash didn't finish high school with the rest of his age group.

The point about large corporations wasn't railing on corporations, it was about the distinction between amateur and professional. That's a big difference when teenagers are involved.

You just missed the steroid comparison completely. It wasn't about spending time to practice, it was about unacceptable sacrifices. Back when steroids were used, they weren't seriously banned (as in the official rules of baseball). It ended up being an exercise in game theory, if you wanted to keep pace with the rest of people playing baseball, you had to take steroids. The analogy here is that taking large risks to get ahead in esports should be an unnecessary sacrifice which should be looked down upon.

Interesting article here:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2013/01/steroids-baseball

Specifically this quote:

In contrast, the likes of Mr Berkman prioritised their own well-being long after retirement over their teams’ imperative to win now. Like all of us, professional athletes respond to incentives, and baseball players who doped did no more and no less than what they were paid to do.


but unnecessary sacrifice is a pretty big grey area. A lot of singers/actors start really young and sacrifice their childhood. So is the case in sports, even though 14-15 years old don't play basketball professional in the States, the top ones might as well be because they spend almost all their time practicing and travelling with their teams.


Everything you listed is far more established that SC2. People who spend their childhood practicing music also educate themselves in the creation and production of music. People who practice any professional sport also have the ability to train in coaching, physical education/training. What they are dedicating a large amount of their time can be directly translated into a career in a related field. SC2 does not have that yet. From my understanding, Suppy is a very scoring student at Berkeley, which is one of the most prodigious universities in the world.

Suppy is on a career path that could earn him as much money, if not more, than the majority of professional SC2 players. There is no reason for him to sacrifice anything and claiming he should do so it short sighted.
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Branman
Profile Joined March 2013
United States203 Posts
April 01 2013 14:42 GMT
#123
On April 01 2013 23:20 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2013 22:11 Branman wrote:
On April 01 2013 16:26 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 01 2013 11:42 Branman wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:30 Maghetti wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:22 Alryk wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:55 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:52 Alryk wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:51 Zenbrez wrote:
Not buying it


It's still march in the USA. Could probably ask Suppy for confirmation on twitter or something.

@Mistertea: Suppy is in college, so obviously he can't go for very long.

It's also still March in Canada, interesting huh? Many companies (Blizzard to name one) frequently makes their announcements on March 31st. The tweet says he's going during may, which is when school is off (assuming he isn't taking summer school, which he has been doing in the past), which makes it seem more real. If it is a joke, wouldn't you want it to seem real, and not blatantly obvious?

Even if I'm wrong, so what? Nothing. I'm not buying it.


o.O ok sorry, lol. My family lives in Canada, I happen to be in the US. I could have also said central, south america, and mexico, but I happened to go with the country I'm in. I'd also have been forgetting any number of islands like Cuba etc. I didn't look at where you live.

I'm not disputing your ability to not buy it. You're more than welcome to do so, I was simply stating evidence as to why I could see it being real.

Plus, this isn't cruel, funny, or otherwise interesting. I don't think it would make a very interesting april fool's joke. On april 2nd, EG is like "lol april fools," but who cares? XD

On April 01 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:18 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:51 MisterTea wrote:
only 5 weeks? =/ stay there longer/permanently

He's still in school.

Why does it seem like half the foreigners are trying to be progamers while in school? What is the point? They can't possibly be competitive with the koreans like this...


You know suppy beat polt towards the end of WoL in a showmatch? Before polt semi-retired to go study that is. He's pretty good. Obviously he isn't going to win GSL anytime soon, but he's also not a full time progamer.

I'm just saying that the foreigner scene will never keep up if they do not fully dedicate themselves. Sure, maybe they get the last laugh when they have good careers to transition into later in life but in the mean time they will be mediocre pro gamers. I'm fine with people wanting to transition in life I just want to see some more committed players.


Maybe we need less commitment from Koreans?

I'm sure I'm not most people, but I don't care about a league which features players who dropped out of high school to work for a professional gaming team dedicated to building brand recognition for a large corporation (basically Kespa style proleague teams). Similarly, I wouldn't care about a baseball league or baseball records where all of the players are taking steroids, and I don't care about the skill of athletes who graduate from East-Germany style athletic schools. I know that admiring the sacrifice of players in their passionate pursuit of progaming is a big thing on TL, but there are many things not worth sacrificing.

Kudos to Suppy for trying to have it all. I hope that he does great things when he can go full time after he graduates from school.


First of all, I'm not aware of any Koreans who've dropped out of high school to become progamers. Players like Flash, Stats, Jaedong, etc, have all graduated high school. Secondly, why do you care if the teams are sponsored by big corporations? Do you care that sports arenas are owned by big corporations, or that people working regular jobs are at big corporations? What does this even mean?

Thirdly, are you ACTUALLY spending a lot of time practicing to using steroids? Spending a lot of time practicing is commitment and professionalism. Using steroids to play baseball is illegal. Sure, it'd be nice if the players could also have more free time, but that's what the job entails. Just like if you're a professional hockey player you have to travel a lot and sustain some injuries. All jobs involve some sort of sacrifices. Not caring about the top leagues for these reasons is absolutely absurd.


Based on my knowledge from what others said on a previous thread when I brought this up, Flash didn't finish high school with the rest of his age group.

The point about large corporations wasn't railing on corporations, it was about the distinction between amateur and professional. That's a big difference when teenagers are involved.

You just missed the steroid comparison completely. It wasn't about spending time to practice, it was about unacceptable sacrifices. Back when steroids were used, they weren't seriously banned (as in the official rules of baseball). It ended up being an exercise in game theory, if you wanted to keep pace with the rest of people playing baseball, you had to take steroids. The analogy here is that taking large risks to get ahead in esports should be an unnecessary sacrifice which should be looked down upon.

Interesting article here:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2013/01/steroids-baseball

Specifically this quote:

In contrast, the likes of Mr Berkman prioritised their own well-being long after retirement over their teams’ imperative to win now. Like all of us, professional athletes respond to incentives, and baseball players who doped did no more and no less than what they were paid to do.


but unnecessary sacrifice is a pretty big grey area. A lot of singers/actors start really young and sacrifice their childhood. So is the case in sports, even though 14-15 years old don't play basketball professional in the States, the top ones might as well be because they spend almost all their time practicing and travelling with their teams.


I agree that it's a gray area, but I don't think it's something that the community has actually had a conversation about. From what I read on these forums, most people are of the opinion more sacrifice = more worthy of respect. I think that's a very dangerous approach to take especially when we're discussing kids and young adults who are doing something primarily for our entertainment.

I agree with your example of child actors. As it turns out a lot of them can end up really messed up later on in life because of their childhood experiences. However, athletes usually fare better because there are strict guidelines which state how much they can practice in leagues, and the stresses demanded of the body physically limit the amount of time that you can spend in athletics.
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
April 01 2013 14:43 GMT
#124
be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy
as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 01 2013 14:47 GMT
#125
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote:
be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy
as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games


Damn, he is pre-med at Berkeley, rocking high grades and is still this good at SC2. Well I am an underachiever in all ways. I would like to correct my previous statement, his earning potential could be on par with Flash depending on the branch of medicine he goes into(full career, until retirement, to be clear).
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 01 2013 14:57 GMT
#126
Good for Suppy, I am glad he is getting the opportunity from EG. I think the focus on development of players is something that a lot of foreign teams could work on a bit. From the outside looking in it seems like a fair few acquire players while they are on the up and up and expect purely self driven results. While that isn't to be ignored and is a good expectation and quality to have of and in a player I love seeing this kind of investment being made in talent.
Siwelcela
Profile Joined November 2011
United States87 Posts
April 01 2013 15:10 GMT
#127
Doesn't he have a commitment to college as well? seems unlikely unless the are waiting for the end of the school year.
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Ry2D2
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States429 Posts
April 01 2013 15:13 GMT
#128
GLHF to Suppy. Will he play in Proleague at all while he's there?
KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
April 01 2013 15:17 GMT
#129
Gratz to Suppy! What a great experience!
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
April 01 2013 15:36 GMT
#130
On April 02 2013 00:10 Siwelcela wrote:
Doesn't he have a commitment to college as well? seems unlikely unless the are waiting for the end of the school year.

Yeah, he goes to UC Berkeley, which finishes up their year May 17th.
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8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
April 01 2013 16:03 GMT
#131
Hope you have a good time in Korea Conana! ^_^

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Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
April 01 2013 16:09 GMT
#132
This is nice. Hopefully Suppy will learn a lot from his trip.
Hey man
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
April 01 2013 16:12 GMT
#133
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote:
be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy
as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games

Unfortunately this is so very true D:
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 01 2013 16:24 GMT
#134
On April 02 2013 01:12 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote:
be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy
as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games

Unfortunately this is so very true D:


Still, going to Korea and training with the best SC2 coach they have to offer is a story worth telling. Good luck out there sir and we will be cheering for you.
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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
April 01 2013 16:33 GMT
#135
This really doesn't have the flavor of an April Fools joke.

It is far too plausible, and Berkeley gets out very soon. It could definitely be true that Suppy finally has a chance to go to Korea now.
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
April 01 2013 16:46 GMT
#136
Why would this be a joke?
Suppy is or at least was very good, though I have no idea what his skill level is at the moment, so he should make a decent addition to their Korean roster.
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
April 01 2013 17:39 GMT
#137
It's real, damn. It wasn't even posted on April 1st!
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v0rtex
Profile Joined November 2011
123 Posts
April 01 2013 18:42 GMT
#138
I really hope this is not a April fools joke. I have watched Suppy play lately and he has really improved, I'd be excited to see how much more he could improve if he got the opportunity to train in Korea! tbh I think if he was not a college student and focused his efforts on Starcraft 2 full-time, he could become one of the best but that's just my opinion and that is a rather large investment from Suppy.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 01 2013 18:46 GMT
#139
the april fool's probably is that this is not an april fool's. not sure i'm buying it though. i guess it could be good if it happens but haven't a lot of people said it takes a lot longer than a month to get any real benefit out of training in Korea?
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thereggin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States6 Posts
April 01 2013 20:20 GMT
#140
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote:
be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy
as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games


not a big sacrifice at all.. i spent entire summers drinking and playing soccer.
i still got into med school.

only things that really matter are GPA which suppy has
and MCAT which im sure he will be fine
and being a progamer is UNIQUE
how many premeds can say they were a progamer and got to travel the world to play games? if anything this will help him get into med school

med school isnt just about community service/research although yes it is important but it is not a deal breaker like everyone thinks.. as long as you do a little you are fine

this experience brings a lot more interesting and uniqueness which can help him more than being the standard applicant
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