Honestly I don't understand why so many people say 5 weeks won't do that much. That's probably true for an established pro who is already playing full time but for a player like Suppy 5 weeks of intensive training in Korea can achieve a lot. I think you people overestimate the notion that going to Korea will not help your improvement short term which was brought up by Idra a couple of times. I definitely think that there is some truth to it but I think it depends on entirely on approach, mindset and mentality.
On April 01 2013 05:51 Zenbrez wrote: Not buying it
It's still march in the USA. Could probably ask Suppy for confirmation on twitter or something.
@Mistertea: Suppy is in college, so obviously he can't go for very long.
It's also still March in Canada, interesting huh? Many companies (Blizzard to name one) frequently makes their announcements on March 31st. The tweet says he's going during may, which is when school is off (assuming he isn't taking summer school, which he has been doing in the past), which makes it seem more real. If it is a joke, wouldn't you want it to seem real, and not blatantly obvious?
Even if I'm wrong, so what? Nothing. I'm not buying it.
o.O ok sorry, lol. My family lives in Canada, I happen to be in the US. I could have also said central, south america, and mexico, but I happened to go with the country I'm in. I'd also have been forgetting any number of islands like Cuba etc. I didn't look at where you live.
I'm not disputing your ability to not buy it. You're more than welcome to do so, I was simply stating evidence as to why I could see it being real.
Plus, this isn't cruel, funny, or otherwise interesting. I don't think it would make a very interesting april fool's joke. On april 2nd, EG is like "lol april fools," but who cares? XD
On April 01 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:18 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:51 MisterTea wrote: only 5 weeks? =/ stay there longer/permanently
He's still in school.
Why does it seem like half the foreigners are trying to be progamers while in school? What is the point? They can't possibly be competitive with the koreans like this...
You know suppy beat polt towards the end of WoL in a showmatch? Before polt semi-retired to go study that is. He's pretty good. Obviously he isn't going to win GSL anytime soon, but he's also not a full time progamer.
I'm just saying that the foreigner scene will never keep up if they do not fully dedicate themselves. Sure, maybe they get the last laugh when they have good careers to transition into later in life but in the mean time they will be mediocre pro gamers. I'm fine with people wanting to transition in life I just want to see some more committed players.
Maybe we need less commitment from Koreans?
I'm sure I'm not most people, but I don't care about a league which features players who dropped out of high school to work for a professional gaming team dedicated to building brand recognition for a large corporation (basically Kespa style proleague teams). Similarly, I wouldn't care about a baseball league or baseball records where all of the players are taking steroids, and I don't care about the skill of athletes who graduate from East-Germany style athletic schools. I know that admiring the sacrifice of players in their passionate pursuit of progaming is a big thing on TL, but there are many things not worth sacrificing.
Kudos to Suppy for trying to have it all. I hope that he does great things when he can go full time after he graduates from school.
First of all, I'm not aware of any Koreans who've dropped out of high school to become progamers. Players like Flash, Stats, Jaedong, etc, have all graduated high school. Secondly, why do you care if the teams are sponsored by big corporations? Do you care that sports arenas are owned by big corporations, or that people working regular jobs are at big corporations? What does this even mean?
Thirdly, are you ACTUALLY spending a lot of time practicing to using steroids? Spending a lot of time practicing is commitment and professionalism. Using steroids to play baseball is illegal. Sure, it'd be nice if the players could also have more free time, but that's what the job entails. Just like if you're a professional hockey player you have to travel a lot and sustain some injuries. All jobs involve some sort of sacrifices. Not caring about the top leagues for these reasons is absolutely absurd.
Based on my knowledge from what others said on a previous thread when I brought this up, Flash didn't finish high school with the rest of his age group.
The point about large corporations wasn't railing on corporations, it was about the distinction between amateur and professional. That's a big difference when teenagers are involved.
You just missed the steroid comparison completely. It wasn't about spending time to practice, it was about unacceptable sacrifices. Back when steroids were used, they weren't seriously banned (as in the official rules of baseball). It ended up being an exercise in game theory, if you wanted to keep pace with the rest of people playing baseball, you had to take steroids. The analogy here is that taking large risks to get ahead in esports should be an unnecessary sacrifice which should be looked down upon.
In contrast, the likes of Mr Berkman prioritised their own well-being long after retirement over their teams’ imperative to win now. Like all of us, professional athletes respond to incentives, and baseball players who doped did no more and no less than what they were paid to do.
but unnecessary sacrifice is a pretty big grey area. A lot of singers/actors start really young and sacrifice their childhood. So is the case in sports, even though 14-15 years old don't play basketball professional in the States, the top ones might as well be because they spend almost all their time practicing and travelling with their teams.
Everything you listed is far more established that SC2. People who spend their childhood practicing music also educate themselves in the creation and production of music. People who practice any professional sport also have the ability to train in coaching, physical education/training. What they are dedicating a large amount of their time can be directly translated into a career in a related field. SC2 does not have that yet. From my understanding, Suppy is a very scoring student at Berkeley, which is one of the most prodigious universities in the world.
Suppy is on a career path that could earn him as much money, if not more, than the majority of professional SC2 players. There is no reason for him to sacrifice anything and claiming he should do so it short sighted.
On April 01 2013 05:51 Zenbrez wrote: Not buying it
It's still march in the USA. Could probably ask Suppy for confirmation on twitter or something.
@Mistertea: Suppy is in college, so obviously he can't go for very long.
It's also still March in Canada, interesting huh? Many companies (Blizzard to name one) frequently makes their announcements on March 31st. The tweet says he's going during may, which is when school is off (assuming he isn't taking summer school, which he has been doing in the past), which makes it seem more real. If it is a joke, wouldn't you want it to seem real, and not blatantly obvious?
Even if I'm wrong, so what? Nothing. I'm not buying it.
o.O ok sorry, lol. My family lives in Canada, I happen to be in the US. I could have also said central, south america, and mexico, but I happened to go with the country I'm in. I'd also have been forgetting any number of islands like Cuba etc. I didn't look at where you live.
I'm not disputing your ability to not buy it. You're more than welcome to do so, I was simply stating evidence as to why I could see it being real.
Plus, this isn't cruel, funny, or otherwise interesting. I don't think it would make a very interesting april fool's joke. On april 2nd, EG is like "lol april fools," but who cares? XD
On April 01 2013 06:20 Maghetti wrote:
On April 01 2013 06:18 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On April 01 2013 05:51 MisterTea wrote: only 5 weeks? =/ stay there longer/permanently
He's still in school.
Why does it seem like half the foreigners are trying to be progamers while in school? What is the point? They can't possibly be competitive with the koreans like this...
You know suppy beat polt towards the end of WoL in a showmatch? Before polt semi-retired to go study that is. He's pretty good. Obviously he isn't going to win GSL anytime soon, but he's also not a full time progamer.
I'm just saying that the foreigner scene will never keep up if they do not fully dedicate themselves. Sure, maybe they get the last laugh when they have good careers to transition into later in life but in the mean time they will be mediocre pro gamers. I'm fine with people wanting to transition in life I just want to see some more committed players.
Maybe we need less commitment from Koreans?
I'm sure I'm not most people, but I don't care about a league which features players who dropped out of high school to work for a professional gaming team dedicated to building brand recognition for a large corporation (basically Kespa style proleague teams). Similarly, I wouldn't care about a baseball league or baseball records where all of the players are taking steroids, and I don't care about the skill of athletes who graduate from East-Germany style athletic schools. I know that admiring the sacrifice of players in their passionate pursuit of progaming is a big thing on TL, but there are many things not worth sacrificing.
Kudos to Suppy for trying to have it all. I hope that he does great things when he can go full time after he graduates from school.
First of all, I'm not aware of any Koreans who've dropped out of high school to become progamers. Players like Flash, Stats, Jaedong, etc, have all graduated high school. Secondly, why do you care if the teams are sponsored by big corporations? Do you care that sports arenas are owned by big corporations, or that people working regular jobs are at big corporations? What does this even mean?
Thirdly, are you ACTUALLY spending a lot of time practicing to using steroids? Spending a lot of time practicing is commitment and professionalism. Using steroids to play baseball is illegal. Sure, it'd be nice if the players could also have more free time, but that's what the job entails. Just like if you're a professional hockey player you have to travel a lot and sustain some injuries. All jobs involve some sort of sacrifices. Not caring about the top leagues for these reasons is absolutely absurd.
Based on my knowledge from what others said on a previous thread when I brought this up, Flash didn't finish high school with the rest of his age group.
The point about large corporations wasn't railing on corporations, it was about the distinction between amateur and professional. That's a big difference when teenagers are involved.
You just missed the steroid comparison completely. It wasn't about spending time to practice, it was about unacceptable sacrifices. Back when steroids were used, they weren't seriously banned (as in the official rules of baseball). It ended up being an exercise in game theory, if you wanted to keep pace with the rest of people playing baseball, you had to take steroids. The analogy here is that taking large risks to get ahead in esports should be an unnecessary sacrifice which should be looked down upon.
In contrast, the likes of Mr Berkman prioritised their own well-being long after retirement over their teams’ imperative to win now. Like all of us, professional athletes respond to incentives, and baseball players who doped did no more and no less than what they were paid to do.
but unnecessary sacrifice is a pretty big grey area. A lot of singers/actors start really young and sacrifice their childhood. So is the case in sports, even though 14-15 years old don't play basketball professional in the States, the top ones might as well be because they spend almost all their time practicing and travelling with their teams.
I agree that it's a gray area, but I don't think it's something that the community has actually had a conversation about. From what I read on these forums, most people are of the opinion more sacrifice = more worthy of respect. I think that's a very dangerous approach to take especially when we're discussing kids and young adults who are doing something primarily for our entertainment.
I agree with your example of child actors. As it turns out a lot of them can end up really messed up later on in life because of their childhood experiences. However, athletes usually fare better because there are strict guidelines which state how much they can practice in leagues, and the stresses demanded of the body physically limit the amount of time that you can spend in athletics.
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote: be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games
Damn, he is pre-med at Berkeley, rocking high grades and is still this good at SC2. Well I am an underachiever in all ways. I would like to correct my previous statement, his earning potential could be on par with Flash depending on the branch of medicine he goes into(full career, until retirement, to be clear).
Good for Suppy, I am glad he is getting the opportunity from EG. I think the focus on development of players is something that a lot of foreign teams could work on a bit. From the outside looking in it seems like a fair few acquire players while they are on the up and up and expect purely self driven results. While that isn't to be ignored and is a good expectation and quality to have of and in a player I love seeing this kind of investment being made in talent.
On April 02 2013 00:10 Siwelcela wrote: Doesn't he have a commitment to college as well? seems unlikely unless the are waiting for the end of the school year.
Yeah, he goes to UC Berkeley, which finishes up their year May 17th.
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote: be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote: be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games
Unfortunately this is so very true D:
Still, going to Korea and training with the best SC2 coach they have to offer is a story worth telling. Good luck out there sir and we will be cheering for you.
Why would this be a joke? Suppy is or at least was very good, though I have no idea what his skill level is at the moment, so he should make a decent addition to their Korean roster.
I really hope this is not a April fools joke. I have watched Suppy play lately and he has really improved, I'd be excited to see how much more he could improve if he got the opportunity to train in Korea! tbh I think if he was not a college student and focused his efforts on Starcraft 2 full-time, he could become one of the best but that's just my opinion and that is a rather large investment from Suppy.
the april fool's probably is that this is not an april fool's. not sure i'm buying it though. i guess it could be good if it happens but haven't a lot of people said it takes a lot longer than a month to get any real benefit out of training in Korea?
On April 01 2013 23:43 SpecialistSc wrote: be mindful this is a very big sacrifice for suppy as a premed student, you don't want to say you spent entire summer playing games
not a big sacrifice at all.. i spent entire summers drinking and playing soccer. i still got into med school.
only things that really matter are GPA which suppy has and MCAT which im sure he will be fine and being a progamer is UNIQUE how many premeds can say they were a progamer and got to travel the world to play games? if anything this will help him get into med school
med school isnt just about community service/research although yes it is important but it is not a deal breaker like everyone thinks.. as long as you do a little you are fine
this experience brings a lot more interesting and uniqueness which can help him more than being the standard applicant
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