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smogg
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria167 Posts
March 12 2013 14:04 GMT
#141
Akilon and Daybreak are the only two good maps in this pool. Whirlwind is decent and NewKirk isn't terrible. The rest is trash at best.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 12 2013 14:06 GMT
#142
I vetoed Daybreak and Whirlwind coz they are old, and I want everything to be new dammit

But Korhal City looks wonky. I've played a ZvP on it and I didn't like it. Seems to easy to expand as Z even with the collapsing rocks.
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
March 12 2013 14:13 GMT
#143
I was honestly hoping that they would remove all the old maps, including Daybreak, but I'm happy that most of the ancient (Antiga Shipyard) is out. They have become so stale and boring to watch. Will be vetoing the hell out of Korhal City. I don't like anyone having that easy of an early expansion.
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JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
March 12 2013 14:27 GMT
#144
On March 12 2013 23:13 Butterednuts wrote:
I was honestly hoping that they would remove all the old maps, including Daybreak, but I'm happy that most of the ancient (Antiga Shipyard) is out. They have become so stale and boring to watch. Will be vetoing the hell out of Korhal City. I don't like anyone having that easy of an early expansion.

The expo in Korhal City is actually much harder to take than the expos on most maps, for a couple reasons:

1) The wide ramp. This makes it basically impossible to early expand in ZvZ, makes 1-rax FE dangerous against early pools in TvZ, and makes it almost necessary to double scout if you are playing PvZ. Then in PvP, fast expos are a lot harder b/c you can't defend a 4-gate with sentries, it's like Tal'darim in that regard.

2) Wide area for reapers and blink stalkers to get in. Fast expansions in ZvT, TvP, and TvT are a lot more dangerous b/c of this.
Nerv3
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany36 Posts
March 12 2013 14:50 GMT
#145
On March 12 2013 11:56 Valon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 07:31 Nerv3 wrote:
On March 12 2013 01:48 TimENT wrote:
Blizz should make a mixed map pool:

-Cloud Kingdom
-Metalopolis
-Whirlwind
-Scrap Station
-Belshir Beach
-Belshir Vestige
-Planet S
-Korhal City
-Scrap Station
-Desert Oasis

IMAGINE THE VARIETY!


+1
I'd much rather have a lot more variety than 100% balance on all maps, makes it so much for fun especially for observers. As long as we have an average balance of nearly 50% some small imbalances in favor of variety should definitely be accepted.


Variety isn't the same as bad gameplay, don;t confuse the two. Desert, Scrap, Korhal,all are bad for gameplay.


I don't consider one base play bad gameplay. I agree that if you play only on Desert or Scrap it can get bad after a time. But getting up to 3 base and then taking one fight isn't the good gameplay either. I think the creativity to try something new and the ability to adapt is what can make the game so much fun.
I can even imagine to see games on even more different maps, like an island map or something like Arkanoid, which also led to interesting games I think.
If it gets too bad you can remove the map again but it shouldn't be removed for minor imbalances.
I would pay for a tournament consisting of a wide variety of "bad" maps.
More gg more skill :)
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7170 Posts
March 12 2013 20:38 GMT
#146
On March 12 2013 11:00 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On March 12 2013 02:06 Luolis wrote:
On March 12 2013 02:03 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 12 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:
ARG, DEATH TO DAYBREAK!!!!

Daybreak is the only good map here


Its good for Zergs...

There is no map good for zergs in HOTS.


You really dont think Daybreak is good for Zerg? XD
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 21:25:54
March 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#147
On March 13 2013 05:38 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 11:00 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 12 2013 02:06 Luolis wrote:
On March 12 2013 02:03 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 12 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:
ARG, DEATH TO DAYBREAK!!!!

Daybreak is the only good map here


Its good for Zergs...

There is no map good for zergs in HOTS.


You really dont think Daybreak is good for Zerg? XD


It's not anymore since late game isn't zerg favored anymore so split map doesn't favor zerg like it did in wol.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
March 12 2013 22:05 GMT
#148
Personally vetoed Daybreak, Korhal and Newkirk as a meching terran ^^
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
March 13 2013 00:05 GMT
#149
Just realized, very strangely, that the half bases on Bel'Shir Vestige were removed. Not turned into full bases, they actually just aren't there anymore. Blizzard really is stubborn about their 8 min/2 gas rule.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 13 2013 00:59 GMT
#150
I never realized how open the damn natural on Bel'Shir Vestige is.
Reminds me of Xelnaga Caverns...
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LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
March 13 2013 01:34 GMT
#151
New Kirk should have been replaced with Bifrost.
One of the best maps in SC2:WoL before it ended.
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
March 13 2013 01:48 GMT
#152
On March 12 2013 01:33 dani` wrote:
I will miss Cloud Kingdom =(

If this was reddit I would create a reddit account and upvote this comment.

Cloud Kingdom is certainly not a new map, but it's almost certainly the best SC2 map ever made and allows for such a wide variety of styles (especially from Terran, but from the other races also).

RIP Cloud Kingdom, you will be missed.

As for the ones that ARE there, I haven't played enough games on them to say for sure, but by Blizzard standards this is a decent map pool.
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SNSDBWooger
Profile Joined March 2012
France16 Posts
March 13 2013 02:05 GMT
#153
I only like belshir and daybreak. Why no cloud kingdom ?
McBrungus
Profile Joined April 2011
United States265 Posts
March 13 2013 03:35 GMT
#154
I honestly don't think I'm going to miss Cloud Kingdom much at all. I had the damndest time holding the Sentry/Immortal all ins on that map. With that gone, I have an extra veto left after Korhal CIty and Akilon Wastes for whatever dumbass map Blizz decides to throw into the pool next month.

I'm reallllllllllllllly into Neo Planet S though, I've already had a few super awesome games on that map.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 13 2013 03:42 GMT
#155
I hope Neo Planet Z explodes soon. Feels like you are playing TvZ in WoL on a balanced map. So not as bad in HotS as it was in WoL. So far I only ended up as Zerg on this map though on ladder.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 13 2013 03:55 GMT
#156
This early in the game and with an unsettled metagame I think it's funny so many people are raging so hard about map balance. I'd rather get new, interesting maps with new tilesets than the same old, overused, maybe balanced maps.

I wouldn't mind getting Bifrost or even Archanoid in there, they'd be fun (or at least different) to play on. Maybe in a month or so if balance is really bad on them they can take them out, but we'll never know til we try. Early in the metagame is the best time to experiment, so it's disheartening for me to see everyone wanting the same cookie cutter balanced-for-my-race maps.
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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
March 13 2013 03:58 GMT
#157
Only maps I don't really like are Korhal and Star Station.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 13 2013 03:59 GMT
#158
I won't have HoTS until Thursday but I plan on vetoing Bel'shir vestige and Star station as a random player because I just don't like them. Have you guys been liking Bel'Shir? At the pro level it just doesn't seem to be a very balanced map in WoL but I guess that could have changed. Overall just not a big fan of the planet Bel'Shir and any of its maps. I played Star Station once in the beta and vetoed it after because I hated it
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 13 2013 04:05 GMT
#159
On March 13 2013 12:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I won't have HoTS until Thursday but I plan on vetoing Bel'shir vestige and Star station as a random player because I just don't like them. Have you guys been liking Bel'Shir? At the pro level it just doesn't seem to be a very balanced map in WoL but I guess that could have changed. Overall just not a big fan of the planet Bel'Shir and any of its maps. I played Star Station once in the beta and vetoed it after because I hated it


Both are ok so far for me as random

The only map I don't like is Korhal City. Easy natural but crazy wide ramp. Main is too large and with a boring shape. I played a ZvP on it and a 14pool can make FE for Protoss really annoying.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
March 13 2013 04:06 GMT
#160
Awesome map pool! Finally some tournament maps!

Though I don't think I'll like Star Station and Korhal City. Who made them?
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