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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 05:41:10
January 26 2013 05:38 GMT
#121
Really good questions and interview.

But this whole thing feels like an interview with Lindsay Lohan. I don't know how much trust I put in his account of things, especially with all the deflection going on.
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LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
January 26 2013 05:46 GMT
#122
On January 26 2013 14:38 Jibba wrote:
Really good questions and interview.

But this whole thing feels like an interview with Lindsay Lohan. I don't know how much trust I put in his account of things, especially with all the deflection going on.


Yea a lot of things seem a bit off in the interview. I really do feel like if its possible he needs to stay away from the public eye / gaming for a bit and try to find some help to deal with what seems to be an overwhelming amount of issues. That's not to bash him but its just the truth. I hope someone can help him out to try to get the help he needs since it sounds to be more then just a financial issue pertaining to his well being/ Of course seeking help costs money so I hope someone can help him out or point him in the right direction to seek it.
JD, need I say more? :D
Ldawg
Profile Joined December 2011
United States328 Posts
January 26 2013 05:48 GMT
#123
On January 26 2013 14:38 Jibba wrote:
Really good questions and interview.

But this whole thing feels like an interview with Lindsay Lohan. I don't know how much trust I put in his account of things, especially with all the deflection going on.


I agree, and was wondering when someone would express this view. This is from his point-of-view and only his so it is difficult to gauge how much is true. I've heard so many people tell bad experiences with LS that I have a hard time believing his account as truth.
"Terran so...ice cream!" MKP/MC at HSC IV
bLueSkY)
Profile Joined November 2006
New Zealand88 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 05:53:51
January 26 2013 05:52 GMT
#124
I don't know what's more sad - the people believing his answers (honestly wtf?) or how delusional he is. The guy thinks he's a progamer and he hasn't even gotten through Code A QUALIFIERS. It's funny how other "foreigners" who are actually able to make a living from the game play both foreign tournaments AND GSL, and by his standards apparently it isn't "worth it" - more like he knows he won't win and can't handle the embarrassment.

You need help dude.. Also I find it funny how people are saying "BUT LOOK AT HIS AGE!@#!@#". He made the active decision to go to korea, therefore he is responsible for his choices there.

I also find it funny how he tries taking stabs at other foreigners who might not be the most successful but have achieved a heck lot more than he is. Time to get a real job I think.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12500 Posts
January 26 2013 05:58 GMT
#125
On January 26 2013 14:52 bLueSkY) wrote:
I don't know what's more sad - the people believing his answers (honestly wtf?) or how delusional he is. The guy thinks he's a progamer and he hasn't even gotten through Code A QUALIFIERS. It's funny how other "foreigners" who are actually able to make a living from the game play both foreign tournaments AND GSL, and by his standards apparently it isn't "worth it" - more like he knows he won't win and can't handle the embarrassment.

You need help dude.. Also I find it funny how people are saying "BUT LOOK AT HIS AGE!@#!@#". He made the active decision to go to korea, therefore he is responsible for his choices there.

I also find it funny how he tries taking stabs at other foreigners who might not be the most successful but have achieved a heck lot more than he is. Time to get a real job I think.

No foreigners really make a living off GSL and I can't recall any has went through Code A qualifiers. Most have all gotten a seed through oversea tournament

There are some really interesting points to take out from his interview.
That is especially regarding mechanics difference between foreign terran and korean terran. Everytime I watch some foreign TvT, it's quite a messy fight but korean terran are extremely nicely played out like a chess.
I thought it's to do with decision making and lack of good in depth understanding of the gam.e
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
bLueSkY)
Profile Joined November 2006
New Zealand88 Posts
January 26 2013 06:09 GMT
#126
On January 26 2013 14:58 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 14:52 bLueSkY) wrote:
I don't know what's more sad - the people believing his answers (honestly wtf?) or how delusional he is. The guy thinks he's a progamer and he hasn't even gotten through Code A QUALIFIERS. It's funny how other "foreigners" who are actually able to make a living from the game play both foreign tournaments AND GSL, and by his standards apparently it isn't "worth it" - more like he knows he won't win and can't handle the embarrassment.

You need help dude.. Also I find it funny how people are saying "BUT LOOK AT HIS AGE!@#!@#". He made the active decision to go to korea, therefore he is responsible for his choices there.

I also find it funny how he tries taking stabs at other foreigners who might not be the most successful but have achieved a heck lot more than he is. Time to get a real job I think.

No foreigners really make a living off GSL and I can't recall any has went through Code A qualifiers. Most have all gotten a seed through oversea tournament

There are some really interesting points to take out from his interview.
That is especially regarding mechanics difference between foreign terran and korean terran. Everytime I watch some foreign TvT, it's quite a messy fight but korean terran are extremely nicely played out like a chess.
I thought it's to do with decision making and lack of good in depth understanding of the gam.e


Maybe take the time to actually read what I wrote before directly replying to my post? I never stated they made a living from GSL I said those that garner enough money from this industry have PARTICIPATED in both types of tournaments, emphasizing foreign tournaments (something LS refuses to attend).

What are you seriously talking about? Yes there is a skill gap between koreans and foreigners, the chess analogy is just an indication of how you have no idea what you are talking about and just jumping on the bandwagon of koreans > foreigners. There are some extremely good european terrans with on-par mechanics to koreans.
a slow decay
Profile Joined January 2013
150 Posts
January 26 2013 06:23 GMT
#127
It'd be really interesting to hear Day[9] make a statement on the Red Bull situation but I doubt that will ever, ever happen.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
January 26 2013 06:40 GMT
#128
On January 26 2013 04:16 Masq wrote:
He makes it seem like the world is out to get him, when in reality he brings most of it upon himself.

Hes easily the most BM person I've ever played against, and thats saying a lot. If he stopped acting like a child maybe things would go better for him.

this pretty much.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12500 Posts
January 26 2013 07:49 GMT
#129
On January 26 2013 15:09 bLueSkY) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 14:58 ETisME wrote:
On January 26 2013 14:52 bLueSkY) wrote:
I don't know what's more sad - the people believing his answers (honestly wtf?) or how delusional he is. The guy thinks he's a progamer and he hasn't even gotten through Code A QUALIFIERS. It's funny how other "foreigners" who are actually able to make a living from the game play both foreign tournaments AND GSL, and by his standards apparently it isn't "worth it" - more like he knows he won't win and can't handle the embarrassment.

You need help dude.. Also I find it funny how people are saying "BUT LOOK AT HIS AGE!@#!@#". He made the active decision to go to korea, therefore he is responsible for his choices there.

I also find it funny how he tries taking stabs at other foreigners who might not be the most successful but have achieved a heck lot more than he is. Time to get a real job I think.

No foreigners really make a living off GSL and I can't recall any has went through Code A qualifiers. Most have all gotten a seed through oversea tournament

There are some really interesting points to take out from his interview.
That is especially regarding mechanics difference between foreign terran and korean terran. Everytime I watch some foreign TvT, it's quite a messy fight but korean terran are extremely nicely played out like a chess.
I thought it's to do with decision making and lack of good in depth understanding of the gam.e


Maybe take the time to actually read what I wrote before directly replying to my post? I never stated they made a living from GSL I said those that garner enough money from this industry have PARTICIPATED in both types of tournaments, emphasizing foreign tournaments (something LS refuses to attend).

What are you seriously talking about? Yes there is a skill gap between koreans and foreigners, the chess analogy is just an indication of how you have no idea what you are talking about and just jumping on the bandwagon of koreans > foreigners. There are some extremely good european terrans with on-par mechanics to koreans.

You made it sound like a huge deal that he didn't get through Code A.
"It's funny how other "foreigners" who are actually able to make a living from the game play both foreign tournaments AND GSL"
How many foreign pro makes a living from both foreign tournaments and GSL then?

Earning enough money from this industry doesn't make one a progamer, by your definition, is maximus black a progamer just because he attends foreign tournaments and stream and on a pro team?
Lots of pros don't get high on tournaments, like Catz, are they more accomplished/more skilled than LS?
Most of them wouldn't even be closed in getting high Korean GM facing top players.

There really aren't a lot of foreign terrans on par with korean terrans but foreign zerg and protoss always appear (especially zerg)
If you don't think it's caused by mechanics, then I don't know what to say. Korean terran are born differently? lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 26 2013 07:50 GMT
#130
On January 26 2013 15:09 bLueSkY) wrote:
There are some extremely good european terrans with on-par mechanics to koreans.

no, man. seriously, they're much worse than the good korean terrans
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
January 26 2013 08:31 GMT
#131
On January 26 2013 16:49 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 15:09 bLueSkY) wrote:
On January 26 2013 14:58 ETisME wrote:
On January 26 2013 14:52 bLueSkY) wrote:
I don't know what's more sad - the people believing his answers (honestly wtf?) or how delusional he is. The guy thinks he's a progamer and he hasn't even gotten through Code A QUALIFIERS. It's funny how other "foreigners" who are actually able to make a living from the game play both foreign tournaments AND GSL, and by his standards apparently it isn't "worth it" - more like he knows he won't win and can't handle the embarrassment.

You need help dude.. Also I find it funny how people are saying "BUT LOOK AT HIS AGE!@#!@#". He made the active decision to go to korea, therefore he is responsible for his choices there.

I also find it funny how he tries taking stabs at other foreigners who might not be the most successful but have achieved a heck lot more than he is. Time to get a real job I think.

No foreigners really make a living off GSL and I can't recall any has went through Code A qualifiers. Most have all gotten a seed through oversea tournament

There are some really interesting points to take out from his interview.
That is especially regarding mechanics difference between foreign terran and korean terran. Everytime I watch some foreign TvT, it's quite a messy fight but korean terran are extremely nicely played out like a chess.
I thought it's to do with decision making and lack of good in depth understanding of the gam.e


Maybe take the time to actually read what I wrote before directly replying to my post? I never stated they made a living from GSL I said those that garner enough money from this industry have PARTICIPATED in both types of tournaments, emphasizing foreign tournaments (something LS refuses to attend).

What are you seriously talking about? Yes there is a skill gap between koreans and foreigners, the chess analogy is just an indication of how you have no idea what you are talking about and just jumping on the bandwagon of koreans > foreigners. There are some extremely good european terrans with on-par mechanics to koreans.

You made it sound like a huge deal that he didn't get through Code A.
"It's funny how other "foreigners" who are actually able to make a living from the game play both foreign tournaments AND GSL"
How many foreign pro makes a living from both foreign tournaments and GSL then?

Earning enough money from this industry doesn't make one a progamer, by your definition, is maximus black a progamer just because he attends foreign tournaments and stream and on a pro team?
Lots of pros don't get high on tournaments, like Catz, are they more accomplished/more skilled than LS?
Most of them wouldn't even be closed in getting high Korean GM facing top players.

There really aren't a lot of foreign terrans on par with korean terrans but foreign zerg and protoss always appear (especially zerg)
If you don't think it's caused by mechanics, then I don't know what to say. Korean terran are born differently? lol


Skill has nothing to do with being a professional gamer.

If you are playing video games as your job you're a pro gamer. Maybe not a competitive gamer, but definitely still a professional one.
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
January 26 2013 08:35 GMT
#132
Very nice and long interview, but without a doubt the wrong person was interviewed.
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makkk
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany23 Posts
January 26 2013 08:38 GMT
#133
I found this very hard to read. It's a very in depth interview, but I'd enjoy more work on the editorial part of things. Don't get me wrong, but the way lastshadow answers is just horrible.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 26 2013 09:31 GMT
#134
He needs to choose between LOL and HOTS and stick with his choice if he ever wants to achieve anything.
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 09:58:12
January 26 2013 09:52 GMT
#135
As a person that is in the area of professional counseling: from the interview and his answer he definitly need help. And I mean that in a very proffessional, not agressive negative sense.
Please, somebody that is in contact with him and reading this: try to get im proffessional help!

I m very serious about this. Please PM me for further help or questions regarding this. Do not hesitate. I m willing to help as far as I can.
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
January 26 2013 09:53 GMT
#136
Really great interview, thanks for conducting it! I've been watching LashShadow's stream a little bit lately, so it's cool to learn a bit more about him.
Tanukki
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland579 Posts
January 26 2013 10:52 GMT
#137
Thanks for the interview, I've been wondering what's going on with this guy. He comes off rather emo/edgy but I guess it's no wonder given what he's been through. Too bad that progaming didn't work out for him.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
January 26 2013 13:07 GMT
#138
On January 26 2013 14:38 Jibba wrote:
Really good questions and interview.

But this whole thing feels like an interview with Lindsay Lohan. I don't know how much trust I put in his account of things, especially with all the deflection going on.

This post made me laugh, thanks JIbba!
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
January 26 2013 13:10 GMT
#139
I like LS and I've used his builds/style in the past to develop the way I play the game(still throw that 6rax build in TvP or TvT every once and awhile).

But I agree sounds like he is in trouble, what is his backstory/family situation if he definately doesn't want to go to US? Why is living homeless in Korea a better option? I mean the dude is living some gritty lifestyle and for what? He isn't a ProGamer, yes he is amazing but literally just a ladder king. Done the code a qualifiers a few times if I'm not mistaken but that's it.

I dunno I hope he can sort his situation; but guys like this give game addiction meaning, despite so many hardships he persists on without any real source of income aside from poker and streaming just to keep gaming?
TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
January 26 2013 13:14 GMT
#140
hopefully ls comes back into starcraft later
''you got to yolo things up to win''
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