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On January 26 2013 11:33 Otolia wrote:
It's unfortunate some members of our community aren't mature enough to understand his struggle.
May no one have to live through the same thing as he did.
Good interview, very touching.
PS : I'm quite speechless now.
basically this. I dont think people understand how hard a life can be on a person, all his problems, combined with ADD/ADHD and on top of that I smell a serious depression that has probably been going on for years, makes trouble a hell of a lot harder to deal with.
Also; the guy needs professional help/counseling. I hope he will realise this eventually and try to build up a stable environment for him to live in. Perhaps that will help his selfesteem-problems (I get the feeling that he have to cling onto gaming in order to remind himself that hes actually good at something)
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On January 26 2013 13:59 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 12:33 Chaggi wrote:On January 26 2013 12:21 revel8 wrote:
Interesting interview. I see that LS is chasing his dream but I don't think he has the ability or mental robustness to actually be a pro-gamer. Pro-gamers are expected to play and compete in tournaments. AFAIK LS has never done well in any tournament anywhere in SC2 in the last 18 months. If he is so good why does he not play in Code A? Or compete in online cups in NA/Europe like many Koreans do?
Also I still don't agree that it was OK to just forfeit his last two games in RBB. It was a tournament with people wanting to see the games. Giving an opponent free wins by not turning up when at a LAN is not acceptable and is bound to piss off the audience. Claiming there is no point to complete the fixtures because there is no longer a chance to progress is simply untrue. Even if he was already eliminated LS could have enhanced his reputation with the public by putting on some good games and possibly even winning some. Just disappearing without explanation is a slap in the face to the audience/his opponent and the tournament who are making money from streaming the games. LS complains about having a bad reputation but he has a chance to improve it at RBB but he cannot be bothered to even play all his games.
It is a shame that he was having such a struggle financially but he could have just got a job and earned money that way. Complaining about not having money while not even trying to get a job? A couple of days a week working would have helped him pay rent, rather than gambling all his savings which is reckless. If he is so good at SC2 as he claims he could spend 6 months back in America, win tons of cash at tournaments, get picked up by a team and sent back to Korea with his expenses paid for. What has he actually achieved while in Korea as a 'pro-gamer'? Apparently he has done well in Ladder, I assume he is in GM. And no tournament results whatsoever? How is that going to attract a team when the likes of Squirtle, Ganzi, Hyun are teamless? yeah so you like can't get a job if he's on here on a tourist visa, and I'm not completely sure how he can get PR here either. If he is on a tourist visa and unable to get a job, then how can he become a pro-gamer? Is that not a job from a legal perspective? If he is in Korea but unable to get a paying job, then he should leave the country when his money runs out. Sounds pretty reckless to rely on gambling to avoid being homeless. Being homeless or virtually homeless because he has spent all his money, means it's time to get a job. Unless he plays in tournaments then he is never going to win any prize money. Getting money from streaming is not viable enough to support him or he would not have run out of money. Not to mention streaming income can be late or never actually paid (See Own3d debacle). He is not going to get any money from winning games on Ladder is he? Surely all that time beating Korean pro-gamers on KR GM ladder should have improved his game such that he could win money in online tournaments both in KR/Asia or in NA/EU. Many Koreans do this. If he is not good enough to do this then what is he doing? Snute spent time in KR practicing on ladder and then went home and used his improved skills to win money in Tournaments and a lucrative contract with TL. LS doesn't seem to have a plan to become a pro-gamer at all. We had players like MMA and Alicia having virtually no salary except prize-money at Slayers. These players proved they could win money at Tournaments. LS seemed to think he could get on a Korean team based on his ladder ranking and partaking in team tryouts? If this has not happened by the time your money runs out it, surely it is time to think of a new plan? I have nothing against LS personally but his actions seem illogical. If he is good enough to win lots of prize money in NA tournaments he should do that. If he is not good enough to do that then why would a KR team take him on? If he just wants to stay in KR because he likes living there then he needs to have money to support himself. That means getting a job that pays his rent and living costs.
He didn't give a shit about the prize money. If he was in NA winning prize money he'd still be as bad at SC2 as all the other NA players... He wants to be one of the best so he went to Korea where you need to be. I thought this was pretty obvious.
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Im reading this interview questioning the truth in most of what hes saying. Just seems like he wants peoples sympathy and hes getting none of mine.
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Regardless, he's had to put up with a lot of shit in life (whether deserved or not), and for him to not have a complete mental breakdown... to still be going and not dead somewhere, kudos to him.
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This is a fantastic interview.
I agree, that there's a bad atmosphere in sc2 community. Too much hatred.
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On January 26 2013 05:39 Fromps wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 05:17 foxj wrote:On January 26 2013 05:13 KimchiNuke wrote:On January 26 2013 04:16 Masq wrote:
He makes it seem like the world is out to get him, when in reality he brings most of it upon himself.
Hes easily the most BM person I've ever played against, and thats saying a lot. If he stopped acting like a child maybe things would go better for him.
Completely agree. All he does is whine and come up with excuses to try and justify being a failure of a human being. This ... I don't really know how to explain but read his interviews blogs vlogs posts ... feel so kiddy. Nothings changed You do realize he's a 17yr old on his own pre-Korea. And then living in korea at 18/19years old, doing it all by himself? He is still a kid.
Do you know anyone, personally, that has been in this situation? I'm guessing not. Everyone I know who has been on their own since or before the age of 17 had to grow up extremely fast. If you don't, you turn into what LS currently is.
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this interview makes me sad....reading the replies some people are putting makes me mad
like he said, the community will ruin the scene before the game will
Good luck LS. Recounting that much personal information is not easy, and I apologize if your reading some of the replies here. Some people are heartless
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On January 26 2013 23:28 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 13:59 revel8 wrote:On January 26 2013 12:33 Chaggi wrote:On January 26 2013 12:21 revel8 wrote:
Interesting interview. I see that LS is chasing his dream but I don't think he has the ability or mental robustness to actually be a pro-gamer. Pro-gamers are expected to play and compete in tournaments. AFAIK LS has never done well in any tournament anywhere in SC2 in the last 18 months. If he is so good why does he not play in Code A? Or compete in online cups in NA/Europe like many Koreans do?
Also I still don't agree that it was OK to just forfeit his last two games in RBB. It was a tournament with people wanting to see the games. Giving an opponent free wins by not turning up when at a LAN is not acceptable and is bound to piss off the audience. Claiming there is no point to complete the fixtures because there is no longer a chance to progress is simply untrue. Even if he was already eliminated LS could have enhanced his reputation with the public by putting on some good games and possibly even winning some. Just disappearing without explanation is a slap in the face to the audience/his opponent and the tournament who are making money from streaming the games. LS complains about having a bad reputation but he has a chance to improve it at RBB but he cannot be bothered to even play all his games.
It is a shame that he was having such a struggle financially but he could have just got a job and earned money that way. Complaining about not having money while not even trying to get a job? A couple of days a week working would have helped him pay rent, rather than gambling all his savings which is reckless. If he is so good at SC2 as he claims he could spend 6 months back in America, win tons of cash at tournaments, get picked up by a team and sent back to Korea with his expenses paid for. What has he actually achieved while in Korea as a 'pro-gamer'? Apparently he has done well in Ladder, I assume he is in GM. And no tournament results whatsoever? How is that going to attract a team when the likes of Squirtle, Ganzi, Hyun are teamless? yeah so you like can't get a job if he's on here on a tourist visa, and I'm not completely sure how he can get PR here either. If he is on a tourist visa and unable to get a job, then how can he become a pro-gamer? Is that not a job from a legal perspective? If he is in Korea but unable to get a paying job, then he should leave the country when his money runs out. Sounds pretty reckless to rely on gambling to avoid being homeless. Being homeless or virtually homeless because he has spent all his money, means it's time to get a job. Unless he plays in tournaments then he is never going to win any prize money. Getting money from streaming is not viable enough to support him or he would not have run out of money. Not to mention streaming income can be late or never actually paid (See Own3d debacle). He is not going to get any money from winning games on Ladder is he? Surely all that time beating Korean pro-gamers on KR GM ladder should have improved his game such that he could win money in online tournaments both in KR/Asia or in NA/EU. Many Koreans do this. If he is not good enough to do this then what is he doing? Snute spent time in KR practicing on ladder and then went home and used his improved skills to win money in Tournaments and a lucrative contract with TL. LS doesn't seem to have a plan to become a pro-gamer at all. We had players like MMA and Alicia having virtually no salary except prize-money at Slayers. These players proved they could win money at Tournaments. LS seemed to think he could get on a Korean team based on his ladder ranking and partaking in team tryouts? If this has not happened by the time your money runs out it, surely it is time to think of a new plan? I have nothing against LS personally but his actions seem illogical. If he is good enough to win lots of prize money in NA tournaments he should do that. If he is not good enough to do that then why would a KR team take him on? If he just wants to stay in KR because he likes living there then he needs to have money to support himself. That means getting a job that pays his rent and living costs. He didn't give a shit about the prize money. If he was in NA winning prize money he'd still be as bad at SC2 as all the other NA players... He wants to be one of the best so he went to Korea where you need to be. I thought this was pretty obvious.
His plan is wrong though. Sometimes you have to work your way up to the top. Stephano worked his way up by playing online tournaments and then local LANS and then larger LANs in other countries and other continents. He has now won a lot of money and has a significant wage from his team. He is now playing in Code S and ProLeague and can make tons of money streaming because he has become popular due to his Tournament achievements. What is wrong with that route? Scarlett did the same, and now she is playing in GSTL.
An analogy to football, some aspiring professional football players might like to play for Liverpool or Arsenal but are not quite good enough when they are kids. So they play at smaller clubs, work their way up the divisions and make their reputations such that the Big Clubs chase them for their signature. Sometimes you have to start small. Same with actors, they work their way up in smaller parts, building up their reputations and then if they succeed they can audition for the same parts as Clooney, Cruise etc.
Also a player can win prize money in NA/EU tournaments by playing from Korea. Numerous players have done this to great success, Hyun, Polt etc. Also every single notable KR pro-gamer (apart from some Kespa players but give them time) has attempted to win prize-money from Foreign tournaments. Nestea, MC, DRG, MVP etc are not too proud to do it. Winning prize money from tournaments IS the job of a Pro-Gamer. I thought this was pretty obvious.
Hopefully he can get his shit sorted out, I think he needs to do so.
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On January 26 2013 23:19 JonIrenicus wrote:
could someone explain me why koreans allowed him to use that "100% win on ladder build" against Squirtle, but not against Parting?
I don't understand that either. Both were in Startale at the time, so it could not have been a team thing.
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I used to watch his replays in Broodwar. I hope you come back and play HOTS. Play Z or P hahaha
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On January 27 2013 00:16 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 23:19 JonIrenicus wrote:
could someone explain me why koreans allowed him to use that "100% win on ladder build" against Squirtle, but not against Parting? I don't understand that either. Both were in Startale at the time, so it could not have been a team thing.
it sounds like a friendship thing
they taught him the build, and liked one of the players so they didn't want him to use it on said player, but didn't mind if he used it on others.
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On January 27 2013 00:12 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 23:28 SupLilSon wrote:On January 26 2013 13:59 revel8 wrote:On January 26 2013 12:33 Chaggi wrote:On January 26 2013 12:21 revel8 wrote:
Interesting interview. I see that LS is chasing his dream but I don't think he has the ability or mental robustness to actually be a pro-gamer. Pro-gamers are expected to play and compete in tournaments. AFAIK LS has never done well in any tournament anywhere in SC2 in the last 18 months. If he is so good why does he not play in Code A? Or compete in online cups in NA/Europe like many Koreans do?
Also I still don't agree that it was OK to just forfeit his last two games in RBB. It was a tournament with people wanting to see the games. Giving an opponent free wins by not turning up when at a LAN is not acceptable and is bound to piss off the audience. Claiming there is no point to complete the fixtures because there is no longer a chance to progress is simply untrue. Even if he was already eliminated LS could have enhanced his reputation with the public by putting on some good games and possibly even winning some. Just disappearing without explanation is a slap in the face to the audience/his opponent and the tournament who are making money from streaming the games. LS complains about having a bad reputation but he has a chance to improve it at RBB but he cannot be bothered to even play all his games.
It is a shame that he was having such a struggle financially but he could have just got a job and earned money that way. Complaining about not having money while not even trying to get a job? A couple of days a week working would have helped him pay rent, rather than gambling all his savings which is reckless. If he is so good at SC2 as he claims he could spend 6 months back in America, win tons of cash at tournaments, get picked up by a team and sent back to Korea with his expenses paid for. What has he actually achieved while in Korea as a 'pro-gamer'? Apparently he has done well in Ladder, I assume he is in GM. And no tournament results whatsoever? How is that going to attract a team when the likes of Squirtle, Ganzi, Hyun are teamless? yeah so you like can't get a job if he's on here on a tourist visa, and I'm not completely sure how he can get PR here either. If he is on a tourist visa and unable to get a job, then how can he become a pro-gamer? Is that not a job from a legal perspective? If he is in Korea but unable to get a paying job, then he should leave the country when his money runs out. Sounds pretty reckless to rely on gambling to avoid being homeless. Being homeless or virtually homeless because he has spent all his money, means it's time to get a job. Unless he plays in tournaments then he is never going to win any prize money. Getting money from streaming is not viable enough to support him or he would not have run out of money. Not to mention streaming income can be late or never actually paid (See Own3d debacle). He is not going to get any money from winning games on Ladder is he? Surely all that time beating Korean pro-gamers on KR GM ladder should have improved his game such that he could win money in online tournaments both in KR/Asia or in NA/EU. Many Koreans do this. If he is not good enough to do this then what is he doing? Snute spent time in KR practicing on ladder and then went home and used his improved skills to win money in Tournaments and a lucrative contract with TL. LS doesn't seem to have a plan to become a pro-gamer at all. We had players like MMA and Alicia having virtually no salary except prize-money at Slayers. These players proved they could win money at Tournaments. LS seemed to think he could get on a Korean team based on his ladder ranking and partaking in team tryouts? If this has not happened by the time your money runs out it, surely it is time to think of a new plan? I have nothing against LS personally but his actions seem illogical. If he is good enough to win lots of prize money in NA tournaments he should do that. If he is not good enough to do that then why would a KR team take him on? If he just wants to stay in KR because he likes living there then he needs to have money to support himself. That means getting a job that pays his rent and living costs. He didn't give a shit about the prize money. If he was in NA winning prize money he'd still be as bad at SC2 as all the other NA players... He wants to be one of the best so he went to Korea where you need to be. I thought this was pretty obvious. His plan is wrong though. Sometimes you have to work your way up to the top. Stephano worked his way up by playing online tournaments and then local LANS and then larger LANs in other countries and other continents. He has now won a lot of money and has a significant wage from his team. He is now playing in Code S and ProLeague and can make tons of money streaming because he has become popular due to his Tournament achievements. What is wrong with that route? Scarlett did the same, and now she is playing in GSTL. An analogy to football, some aspiring professional football players might like to play for Liverpool or Arsenal but are not quite good enough when they are kids. So they play at smaller clubs, work their way up the divisions and make their reputations such that the Big Clubs chase them for their signature. Sometimes you have to start small. Same with actors, they work their way up in smaller parts, building up their reputations and then if they succeed they can audition for the same parts as Clooney, Cruise etc. Also a player can win prize money in NA/EU tournaments by playing from Korea. Numerous players have done this to great success, Hyun, Polt etc. Also every single notable KR pro-gamer (apart from some Kespa players but give them time) has attempted to win prize-money from Foreign tournaments. Nestea, MC, DRG, MVP etc are not too proud to do it. Winning prize money from tournaments IS the job of a Pro-Gamer. I thought this was pretty obvious. Hopefully he can get his shit sorted out, I think he needs to do so.
Not every one is Scarlett or Stephano, in fact only Scarlett and Stephano are Scarlet and Stephano... So what is your point? For most people if you want to truly be the best in SC2, that means packing your shit up, moving to Korea with little to no hope of making it on a team and pretty much hoping for the best. We've seen dozens of foreigners try and fail. Scarlett and Stephano are some of the rare exceptions that just understood the game and could beat Koreans without having the intense training.
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wow...what an extensive interview...i really enjoyed the read and found the interview very interesting...can't wait for the next interview!
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He's a narcissistic shit-head.
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On January 27 2013 01:08 YourMom wrote:
He's a narcissistic shit-head.
And writting this shows that you are much better, for sure !
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It shows nothing but my opinion. Get lost kid, don't get fakey preachy to me and be real.
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On January 27 2013 00:03 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 05:39 Fromps wrote:On January 26 2013 05:17 foxj wrote:On January 26 2013 05:13 KimchiNuke wrote:On January 26 2013 04:16 Masq wrote:
He makes it seem like the world is out to get him, when in reality he brings most of it upon himself.
Hes easily the most BM person I've ever played against, and thats saying a lot. If he stopped acting like a child maybe things would go better for him.
Completely agree. All he does is whine and come up with excuses to try and justify being a failure of a human being. This ... I don't really know how to explain but read his interviews blogs vlogs posts ... feel so kiddy. Nothings changed You do realize he's a 17yr old on his own pre-Korea. And then living in korea at 18/19years old, doing it all by himself? He is still a kid. Do you know anyone, personally, that has been in this situation? I'm guessing not. Everyone I know who has been on their own since or before the age of 17 had to grow up extremely fast. If you don't, you turn into what LS currently is.
how do you know that when every single one of your friends did grow up?
How do you know that its about maturity?
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You really have to question why someone with such obvious mental health issues would go to Korea to be a desperately poor progamer. He clearly needs to seek help before hoping to make it in progaming.
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