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On January 26 2013 07:15 Tachion wrote:
Interesting choice of person to interview. I've been following the SC2 scene very closely since beta, and I just never hear anything about this kid except for random drama. After reading the interview, it appears he did some vlogs and beat some guys on the korean ladder, but that doesn't rationalize the attention he's getting does it? I dunno, maybe it has something to do with his starcraft 1 reputation. I just don't get it. It's awfully hard to call him a pro player, he's not a personality, and judging from the interview he lacks any sense of professionalism.
Totally agree. After reading this interview its deflection, deflection combined with excuses and blame. I don't even understand why the community has always giving him so much attention considering we got so many hard working Korean/NA and EU amateur players like himself trying hard to become full time pro.
On January 27 2013 00:12 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 23:28 SupLilSon wrote:On January 26 2013 13:59 revel8 wrote:On January 26 2013 12:33 Chaggi wrote:On January 26 2013 12:21 revel8 wrote:
Interesting interview. I see that LS is chasing his dream but I don't think he has the ability or mental robustness to actually be a pro-gamer. Pro-gamers are expected to play and compete in tournaments. AFAIK LS has never done well in any tournament anywhere in SC2 in the last 18 months. If he is so good why does he not play in Code A? Or compete in online cups in NA/Europe like many Koreans do?
Also I still don't agree that it was OK to just forfeit his last two games in RBB. It was a tournament with people wanting to see the games. Giving an opponent free wins by not turning up when at a LAN is not acceptable and is bound to piss off the audience. Claiming there is no point to complete the fixtures because there is no longer a chance to progress is simply untrue. Even if he was already eliminated LS could have enhanced his reputation with the public by putting on some good games and possibly even winning some. Just disappearing without explanation is a slap in the face to the audience/his opponent and the tournament who are making money from streaming the games. LS complains about having a bad reputation but he has a chance to improve it at RBB but he cannot be bothered to even play all his games.
It is a shame that he was having such a struggle financially but he could have just got a job and earned money that way. Complaining about not having money while not even trying to get a job? A couple of days a week working would have helped him pay rent, rather than gambling all his savings which is reckless. If he is so good at SC2 as he claims he could spend 6 months back in America, win tons of cash at tournaments, get picked up by a team and sent back to Korea with his expenses paid for. What has he actually achieved while in Korea as a 'pro-gamer'? Apparently he has done well in Ladder, I assume he is in GM. And no tournament results whatsoever? How is that going to attract a team when the likes of Squirtle, Ganzi, Hyun are teamless? yeah so you like can't get a job if he's on here on a tourist visa, and I'm not completely sure how he can get PR here either. If he is on a tourist visa and unable to get a job, then how can he become a pro-gamer? Is that not a job from a legal perspective? If he is in Korea but unable to get a paying job, then he should leave the country when his money runs out. Sounds pretty reckless to rely on gambling to avoid being homeless. Being homeless or virtually homeless because he has spent all his money, means it's time to get a job. Unless he plays in tournaments then he is never going to win any prize money. Getting money from streaming is not viable enough to support him or he would not have run out of money. Not to mention streaming income can be late or never actually paid (See Own3d debacle). He is not going to get any money from winning games on Ladder is he? Surely all that time beating Korean pro-gamers on KR GM ladder should have improved his game such that he could win money in online tournaments both in KR/Asia or in NA/EU. Many Koreans do this. If he is not good enough to do this then what is he doing? Snute spent time in KR practicing on ladder and then went home and used his improved skills to win money in Tournaments and a lucrative contract with TL. LS doesn't seem to have a plan to become a pro-gamer at all. We had players like MMA and Alicia having virtually no salary except prize-money at Slayers. These players proved they could win money at Tournaments. LS seemed to think he could get on a Korean team based on his ladder ranking and partaking in team tryouts? If this has not happened by the time your money runs out it, surely it is time to think of a new plan? I have nothing against LS personally but his actions seem illogical. If he is good enough to win lots of prize money in NA tournaments he should do that. If he is not good enough to do that then why would a KR team take him on? If he just wants to stay in KR because he likes living there then he needs to have money to support himself. That means getting a job that pays his rent and living costs. He didn't give a shit about the prize money. If he was in NA winning prize money he'd still be as bad at SC2 as all the other NA players... He wants to be one of the best so he went to Korea where you need to be. I thought this was pretty obvious. His plan is wrong though. Sometimes you have to work your way up to the top. Stephano worked his way up by playing online tournaments and then local LANS and then larger LANs in other countries and other continents. He has now won a lot of money and has a significant wage from his team. He is now playing in Code S and ProLeague and can make tons of money streaming because he has become popular due to his Tournament achievements. What is wrong with that route? Scarlett did the same, and now she is playing in GSTL. An analogy to football, some aspiring professional football players might like to play for Liverpool or Arsenal but are not quite good enough when they are kids. So they play at smaller clubs, work their way up the divisions and make their reputations such that the Big Clubs chase them for their signature. Sometimes you have to start small. Same with actors, they work their way up in smaller parts, building up their reputations and then if they succeed they can audition for the same parts as Clooney, Cruise etc. Also a player can win prize money in NA/EU tournaments by playing from Korea. Numerous players have done this to great success, Hyun, Polt etc. Also every single notable KR pro-gamer (apart from some Kespa players but give them time) has attempted to win prize-money from Foreign tournaments. Nestea, MC, DRG, MVP etc are not too proud to do it. Winning prize money from tournaments IS the job of a Pro-Gamer. I thought this was pretty obvious. Hopefully he can get his shit sorted out, I think he needs to do so.
Good post and I agree. You don't just decide one day to move to Spain because you got a dream to become a professional football player.
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On January 27 2013 00:22 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 00:12 revel8 wrote:On January 26 2013 23:28 SupLilSon wrote:On January 26 2013 13:59 revel8 wrote:On January 26 2013 12:33 Chaggi wrote:On January 26 2013 12:21 revel8 wrote:
Interesting interview. I see that LS is chasing his dream but I don't think he has the ability or mental robustness to actually be a pro-gamer. Pro-gamers are expected to play and compete in tournaments. AFAIK LS has never done well in any tournament anywhere in SC2 in the last 18 months. If he is so good why does he not play in Code A? Or compete in online cups in NA/Europe like many Koreans do?
Also I still don't agree that it was OK to just forfeit his last two games in RBB. It was a tournament with people wanting to see the games. Giving an opponent free wins by not turning up when at a LAN is not acceptable and is bound to piss off the audience. Claiming there is no point to complete the fixtures because there is no longer a chance to progress is simply untrue. Even if he was already eliminated LS could have enhanced his reputation with the public by putting on some good games and possibly even winning some. Just disappearing without explanation is a slap in the face to the audience/his opponent and the tournament who are making money from streaming the games. LS complains about having a bad reputation but he has a chance to improve it at RBB but he cannot be bothered to even play all his games.
It is a shame that he was having such a struggle financially but he could have just got a job and earned money that way. Complaining about not having money while not even trying to get a job? A couple of days a week working would have helped him pay rent, rather than gambling all his savings which is reckless. If he is so good at SC2 as he claims he could spend 6 months back in America, win tons of cash at tournaments, get picked up by a team and sent back to Korea with his expenses paid for. What has he actually achieved while in Korea as a 'pro-gamer'? Apparently he has done well in Ladder, I assume he is in GM. And no tournament results whatsoever? How is that going to attract a team when the likes of Squirtle, Ganzi, Hyun are teamless? yeah so you like can't get a job if he's on here on a tourist visa, and I'm not completely sure how he can get PR here either. If he is on a tourist visa and unable to get a job, then how can he become a pro-gamer? Is that not a job from a legal perspective? If he is in Korea but unable to get a paying job, then he should leave the country when his money runs out. Sounds pretty reckless to rely on gambling to avoid being homeless. Being homeless or virtually homeless because he has spent all his money, means it's time to get a job. Unless he plays in tournaments then he is never going to win any prize money. Getting money from streaming is not viable enough to support him or he would not have run out of money. Not to mention streaming income can be late or never actually paid (See Own3d debacle). He is not going to get any money from winning games on Ladder is he? Surely all that time beating Korean pro-gamers on KR GM ladder should have improved his game such that he could win money in online tournaments both in KR/Asia or in NA/EU. Many Koreans do this. If he is not good enough to do this then what is he doing? Snute spent time in KR practicing on ladder and then went home and used his improved skills to win money in Tournaments and a lucrative contract with TL. LS doesn't seem to have a plan to become a pro-gamer at all. We had players like MMA and Alicia having virtually no salary except prize-money at Slayers. These players proved they could win money at Tournaments. LS seemed to think he could get on a Korean team based on his ladder ranking and partaking in team tryouts? If this has not happened by the time your money runs out it, surely it is time to think of a new plan? I have nothing against LS personally but his actions seem illogical. If he is good enough to win lots of prize money in NA tournaments he should do that. If he is not good enough to do that then why would a KR team take him on? If he just wants to stay in KR because he likes living there then he needs to have money to support himself. That means getting a job that pays his rent and living costs. He didn't give a shit about the prize money. If he was in NA winning prize money he'd still be as bad at SC2 as all the other NA players... He wants to be one of the best so he went to Korea where you need to be. I thought this was pretty obvious. His plan is wrong though. Sometimes you have to work your way up to the top. Stephano worked his way up by playing online tournaments and then local LANS and then larger LANs in other countries and other continents. He has now won a lot of money and has a significant wage from his team. He is now playing in Code S and ProLeague and can make tons of money streaming because he has become popular due to his Tournament achievements. What is wrong with that route? Scarlett did the same, and now she is playing in GSTL. An analogy to football, some aspiring professional football players might like to play for Liverpool or Arsenal but are not quite good enough when they are kids. So they play at smaller clubs, work their way up the divisions and make their reputations such that the Big Clubs chase them for their signature. Sometimes you have to start small. Same with actors, they work their way up in smaller parts, building up their reputations and then if they succeed they can audition for the same parts as Clooney, Cruise etc. Also a player can win prize money in NA/EU tournaments by playing from Korea. Numerous players have done this to great success, Hyun, Polt etc. Also every single notable KR pro-gamer (apart from some Kespa players but give them time) has attempted to win prize-money from Foreign tournaments. Nestea, MC, DRG, MVP etc are not too proud to do it. Winning prize money from tournaments IS the job of a Pro-Gamer. I thought this was pretty obvious. Hopefully he can get his shit sorted out, I think he needs to do so. Not every one is Scarlett or Stephano, in fact only Scarlett and Stephano are Scarlet and Stephano... So what is your point? For most people if you want to truly be the best in SC2, that means packing your shit up, moving to Korea with little to no hope of making it on a team and pretty much hoping for the best. We've seen dozens of foreigners try and fail. Scarlett and Stephano are some of the rare exceptions that just understood the game and could beat Koreans without having the intense training.
My point is fairly simple. Try out but if it does not work out, then try a different way. His original plan obviously did not work if it comes down to having to win a hand at poker or be homeless. I've communicated directly with LS, so he knows my thoughts on his situation. He understands my point, even if you are unable to wrap your head around it.
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Hello I am very introvert but I am going to tell about my whole life in a big wall of text Oo
No offense but this contradiction hit me hard but I still read most of it and there is some intrusting stuff, but I hope he still plays SC2 tho
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About the Red Bull part:
He says his korean ladder acc was leaked to parting and squirtle and that was hugely affecting him.
Well i have to say i cant really believe that and think its just a weird excuse.
I mean if you play one specific strategy SECRETY all the time and base all your hopes and the "secret" factor then it will gain you NOTHING as a progamer. It works for one tournament. After that the whole world knows that he plays mech TvP.
What would he do then? Retire? Start all over with bio that "he never ever touched before"?
That part seems very weird TBH.
EDIT: Just to clarify: I do not think the whole account leak isnt true or wasnt affecting the situation. It certainly did.
Im just saying it would've worked only for one tournament anyways. Next time you face a player he WILL know you only played mech if he saw that tournament.
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On January 27 2013 02:43 RaelSan wrote:
Hello I am very introvert but I am going to tell about my whole life in a big wall of text Oo
No offense but this contradiction hit me hard but I still read most of it and there is some intrusting stuff, but I hope he still plays SC2 tho
There are other contradictions, but this really isn't one. Too many people confuse introversion to shyness. Introversion can mean that he enjoys talking, spending time with others, but does it in less frequency with more intimate settings.
Regardless, I feel that the community has been somewhat harsh on Lastshadow in his reformations in the past year. Despite all the past hardships, he shouldn't use them as an excuse moving on. The only real way for him to make any difference with the light of the community is if he ignores his critics and starts getting actual results.
Until the day he's signed by a team or playing matches in Code A, he's still not going to be relevant.
Best of luck to Lastshadow.
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On January 27 2013 03:18 MasterReY wrote:
About the Red Bull part:
He says his korean ladder acc was leaked to parting and squirtle and that was hugely affecting him.
Well i have to say i cant really believe that and think its just a weird excuse.
I mean if you play one specific strategy SECRETY all the time and base all your hopes and the "secret" factor then it will gain you NOTHING as a progamer. It works for one tournament. After that the whole world knows that he plays mech TvP.
What would he do then? Retire? Start all over with bio that "he never ever touched before"?
That part seems very weird TBH.
Yeah. He spends a lot of time talking about how foreigners don't practice mechanics but instead try to win using random builds. Then he complains that his account got leaked and that's why he lost. Well, maybe he should do what he claims is best and work on his mechanics so he can win straight up rather than banking on unknown builds.
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On January 27 2013 03:36 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 03:18 MasterReY wrote:
About the Red Bull part:
He says his korean ladder acc was leaked to parting and squirtle and that was hugely affecting him.
Well i have to say i cant really believe that and think its just a weird excuse.
I mean if you play one specific strategy SECRETY all the time and base all your hopes and the "secret" factor then it will gain you NOTHING as a progamer. It works for one tournament. After that the whole world knows that he plays mech TvP.
What would he do then? Retire? Start all over with bio that "he never ever touched before"?
That part seems very weird TBH. Yeah. He spends a lot of time talking about how foreigners don't practice mechanics but instead try to win using random builds. Then he complains that his account got leaked and that's why he lost. Well, maybe he should do what he claims is best and work on his mechanics so he can win straight up rather than banking on unknown builds.
He wanted to throw them off because it was versus opponents who he knew were massively in favor versus him.
Not really fair to generalize his entire play style, imply that he's being a hypocrite, and then preach when it was one instance, and in a very difficult situation.
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So what's this hidden forbidden technique/build that he was supposed to use against only squirtle?
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On January 27 2013 03:55 Silencioseu wrote:
So what's this hidden forbidden technique/build that he was supposed to use against only squirtle?
Proxy 2 rax- Squirtle's kryptonite.
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If he played one strat for two months, then you`d expect the strat to develop into something solid vs a large variety of P openings. Also claiming that he has a 77 percent win rate account on KR seems a bit too good to be true, considering that even Code S players are usually in the 55 percent range. So his performance on ladder should even outperform the likes of Life and MKP.
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This is a pretty awesome interview. Well thought out and with insightful questions. More interviews need to be like this.
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On January 27 2013 03:18 MasterReY wrote:
About the Red Bull part:
He says his korean ladder acc was leaked to parting and squirtle and that was hugely affecting him.
Well i have to say i cant really believe that and think its just a weird excuse.
I mean if you play one specific strategy SECRETY all the time and base all your hopes and the "secret" factor then it will gain you NOTHING as a progamer. It works for one tournament. After that the whole world knows that he plays mech TvP.
What would he do then? Retire? Start all over with bio that "he never ever touched before"?
That part seems very weird TBH.
EDIT: Just to clarify: I do not think the whole account leak isnt true or wasnt affecting the situation. It certainly did.
Im just saying it would've worked only for one tournament anyways. Next time you face a player he WILL know you only played mech if he saw that tournament.
At this point, LS probably expects Koreans to help each other out against him, considering his past and how often this happens in general
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On January 27 2013 03:41 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 03:36 Shiori wrote:On January 27 2013 03:18 MasterReY wrote:
About the Red Bull part:
He says his korean ladder acc was leaked to parting and squirtle and that was hugely affecting him.
Well i have to say i cant really believe that and think its just a weird excuse.
I mean if you play one specific strategy SECRETY all the time and base all your hopes and the "secret" factor then it will gain you NOTHING as a progamer. It works for one tournament. After that the whole world knows that he plays mech TvP.
What would he do then? Retire? Start all over with bio that "he never ever touched before"?
That part seems very weird TBH. Yeah. He spends a lot of time talking about how foreigners don't practice mechanics but instead try to win using random builds. Then he complains that his account got leaked and that's why he lost. Well, maybe he should do what he claims is best and work on his mechanics so he can win straight up rather than banking on unknown builds. He wanted to throw them off because it was versus opponents who he knew were massively in favor versus him. Not really fair to generalize his entire play style, imply that he's being a hypocrite, and then preach when it was one instance, and in a very difficult situation.
That's fine, but then he shouldn't be using it as an excuse. He is being a hypocrite for saying all other foreigners other than a select few do this terrible style of practice when it comes to the crunch but then doing it himself for the same reasons...
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In his stream and in his interviews he always explains himself as a victim of circumstances.
Everything seems to me as an excuse, it's actually quite annoying.
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This guy definitely did not luck out in the cortical lottery.
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Nice interview. Thanks Gene. Bumpskies.
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On January 27 2013 05:33 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 03:41 Gamegene wrote:On January 27 2013 03:36 Shiori wrote:On January 27 2013 03:18 MasterReY wrote:
About the Red Bull part:
He says his korean ladder acc was leaked to parting and squirtle and that was hugely affecting him.
Well i have to say i cant really believe that and think its just a weird excuse.
I mean if you play one specific strategy SECRETY all the time and base all your hopes and the "secret" factor then it will gain you NOTHING as a progamer. It works for one tournament. After that the whole world knows that he plays mech TvP.
What would he do then? Retire? Start all over with bio that "he never ever touched before"?
That part seems very weird TBH. Yeah. He spends a lot of time talking about how foreigners don't practice mechanics but instead try to win using random builds. Then he complains that his account got leaked and that's why he lost. Well, maybe he should do what he claims is best and work on his mechanics so he can win straight up rather than banking on unknown builds. He wanted to throw them off because it was versus opponents who he knew were massively in favor versus him. Not really fair to generalize his entire play style, imply that he's being a hypocrite, and then preach when it was one instance, and in a very difficult situation. That's fine, but then he shouldn't be using it as an excuse. He is being a hypocrite for saying all other foreigners other than a select few do this terrible style of practice when it comes to the crunch but then doing it himself for the same reasons...
He's not using as an excuse for why he lost, but an excuse as to the psychological damage that it caused (which affects his performance and his behavior after the tournament).
Anyway, I don't like using the word "excuse". An excuse is a reason, really. What is there to be excused about?
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So he wants to try a comeback with HotS but he does not train it at all because that "would give him his little wins over Koreans at major international events in Heart Of The Swarm because he’ll come up with a build that no one discovered yet"?
Now what the actual fuck is that about?
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Lastshadow is the emo version of CombatEX.
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Soo long...
I wasn’t disgusted with the community. I was disgusted with how some of the community acted towards me. Like they don’t realize that the way that they act towards me isn’t even relevant, just the way they act in general is killing the game. And it’s not about me, it goes beyond that. It’s how they act about everything like how “Starcraft 2 is dying” or like the whole Destiny post. Like you can’t act like that, it’s not good for the game it’s not beneficial.
I liked this part.
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