EPTSuperb interview.
[Interview] Lastshadow with Project Dove! - Page 6
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Sterling
United States182 Posts
Superb interview. | ||
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
May no one have to live through the same thing as he did. Good interview, very touching. PS : I'm quite speechless now. | ||
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MarCoon
Germany493 Posts
Very thorough. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
I noticed a lot of people also bashing lastshadow too and complaining about his victim mentality. But I wonder if they're really any better. I mean... after reading that... I wonder if lastshadow or someone else ever hurts himself, they'll realize they played a part in driving a kid with problems even further down. More likely they'll say something about how it's not really their fault and the kid had issues to begin with. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
Still its strange despite the brutal honesty he omits details that might explain the misery he suffered | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On January 26 2013 11:28 Sterling wrote: Props to Gamegene for asking great and direct questions. Lastshadow deserves some credit for being open and honest, and taking the time to put himself out there. Superb interview. Indeed. This interview provides a gloomy look into progaming (leaked replays, physical harrassment, etc) Not many people would be so open about their personal hardships either, a very rare occurance indeed. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Also I still don't agree that it was OK to just forfeit his last two games in RBB. It was a tournament with people wanting to see the games. Giving an opponent free wins by not turning up when at a LAN is not acceptable and is bound to piss off the audience. Claiming there is no point to complete the fixtures because there is no longer a chance to progress is simply untrue. Even if he was already eliminated LS could have enhanced his reputation with the public by putting on some good games and possibly even winning some. Just disappearing without explanation is a slap in the face to the audience/his opponent and the tournament who are making money from streaming the games. LS complains about having a bad reputation but he has a chance to improve it at RBB but he cannot be bothered to even play all his games. It is a shame that he was having such a struggle financially but he could have just got a job and earned money that way. Complaining about not having money while not even trying to get a job? A couple of days a week working would have helped him pay rent, rather than gambling all his savings which is reckless. If he is so good at SC2 as he claims he could spend 6 months back in America, win tons of cash at tournaments, get picked up by a team and sent back to Korea with his expenses paid for. What has he actually achieved while in Korea as a 'pro-gamer'? Apparently he has done well in Ladder, I assume he is in GM. And no tournament results whatsoever? How is that going to attract a team when the likes of Squirtle, Ganzi, Hyun are teamless? | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 26 2013 11:59 GreyKnight wrote: Feel like i just absorbed lastshadows memories for 60 minutes. Still its strange despite the brutal honesty he omits details that might explain the misery he suffered I received word that some of the omitted details were just too personal to be made public. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 26 2013 12:21 revel8 wrote: Interesting interview. I see that LS is chasing his dream but I don't think he has the ability or mental robustness to actually be a pro-gamer. Pro-gamers are expected to play and compete in tournaments. AFAIK LS has never done well in any tournament anywhere in SC2 in the last 18 months. If he is so good why does he not play in Code A? Or compete in online cups in NA/Europe like many Koreans do? Also I still don't agree that it was OK to just forfeit his last two games in RBB. It was a tournament with people wanting to see the games. Giving an opponent free wins by not turning up when at a LAN is not acceptable and is bound to piss off the audience. Claiming there is no point to complete the fixtures because there is no longer a chance to progress is simply untrue. Even if he was already eliminated LS could have enhanced his reputation with the public by putting on some good games and possibly even winning some. Just disappearing without explanation is a slap in the face to the audience/his opponent and the tournament who are making money from streaming the games. LS complains about having a bad reputation but he has a chance to improve it at RBB but he cannot be bothered to even play all his games. It is a shame that he was having such a struggle financially but he could have just got a job and earned money that way. Complaining about not having money while not even trying to get a job? A couple of days a week working would have helped him pay rent, rather than gambling all his savings which is reckless. If he is so good at SC2 as he claims he could spend 6 months back in America, win tons of cash at tournaments, get picked up by a team and sent back to Korea with his expenses paid for. What has he actually achieved while in Korea as a 'pro-gamer'? Apparently he has done well in Ladder, I assume he is in GM. And no tournament results whatsoever? How is that going to attract a team when the likes of Squirtle, Ganzi, Hyun are teamless? yeah so you like can't get a job if he's on here on a tourist visa, and I'm not completely sure how he can get PR here either. | ||
sitromit
7051 Posts
On January 26 2013 12:21 revel8 wrote: Interesting interview. I see that LS is chasing his dream but I don't think he has the ability or mental robustness to actually be a pro-gamer. Pro-gamers are expected to play and compete in tournaments. AFAIK LS has never done well in any tournament anywhere in SC2 in the last 18 months. If he is so good why does he not play in Code A? Or compete in online cups in NA/Europe like many Koreans do? That's the thing, all his claims of being good are just his own claims. As far as I remember, he did try to qualify for Code A a couple of times, and got knocked out in the first round or two. Other foreigners have done better. | ||
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Clarityxo
Scotland174 Posts
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Yaqoob
Canada3408 Posts
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
Then people will hate on him not just as a person but as a player; which is ludicrous too. Seriously, go watch his vlogs. They're rich with information on how to play and approach starcraft. More than just the specific tips in his videos he helps you understand what kind of mentality you need to succeed. Who else shares that much knowledge with the community? And it's like not he's some nobody; you can look at all the replays he's shared-- wins and losses, and see him beating korean grandmasters in ladder with a variety of strategies (both aggressive and "macro-oriented" plays). In what universe is that not impressive? I don't see how anyone can be so unsupportive of someone following the esport dream to such a deep extent. Even if you don't like the guy personally or like his play, you should be able to respect him for really trying. People love players who put much less of themselves into the game, but hate the guy who puts his all into it. But yeah, good interview; thanks for giving it. | ||
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
its interresting about the red bull lan i am kind of sad that he quit sc2 and i hope he come back to hots somedays because i really like him playing terran i learned more from him then on other terran streams | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On January 26 2013 11:33 Otolia wrote: It's unfortunate some members of our community aren't mature enough to understand his struggle. May no one have to live through the same thing as he did. Good interview, very touching. PS : I'm quite speechless now. Oh spare me. I pity LS but he could have it a lot worse. If he doesn't want to be a progamer (And I'm not sure how he can say he wants to when he very rarely actually competes) he could always return to the US and study or get a job? I'm sorry for sounding harsh but he's been living in a progamer house for the past 9 months, it isn't like he has been on the street... | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
Someone who is (was) trying to become a pro sc2 player shouldn't be so rude. If you're struggling, wouldn't it make more sense not to be so mean and burn possible bridges? I can't deny that he was an incredibly smart person when it came to sc2, but I don't think people should be so easily excused from being complete assholes in the past, no matter how difficult your life is. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On January 26 2013 12:33 Chaggi wrote: yeah so you like can't get a job if he's on here on a tourist visa, and I'm not completely sure how he can get PR here either. If he is on a tourist visa and unable to get a job, then how can he become a pro-gamer? Is that not a job from a legal perspective? If he is in Korea but unable to get a paying job, then he should leave the country when his money runs out. Sounds pretty reckless to rely on gambling to avoid being homeless. Being homeless or virtually homeless because he has spent all his money, means it's time to get a job. Unless he plays in tournaments then he is never going to win any prize money. Getting money from streaming is not viable enough to support him or he would not have run out of money. Not to mention streaming income can be late or never actually paid (See Own3d debacle). He is not going to get any money from winning games on Ladder is he? Surely all that time beating Korean pro-gamers on KR GM ladder should have improved his game such that he could win money in online tournaments both in KR/Asia or in NA/EU. Many Koreans do this. If he is not good enough to do this then what is he doing? Snute spent time in KR practicing on ladder and then went home and used his improved skills to win money in Tournaments and a lucrative contract with TL. LS doesn't seem to have a plan to become a pro-gamer at all. We had players like MMA and Alicia having virtually no salary except prize-money at Slayers. These players proved they could win money at Tournaments. LS seemed to think he could get on a Korean team based on his ladder ranking and partaking in team tryouts? If this has not happened by the time your money runs out it, surely it is time to think of a new plan? I have nothing against LS personally but his actions seem illogical. If he is good enough to win lots of prize money in NA tournaments he should do that. If he is not good enough to do that then why would a KR team take him on? If he just wants to stay in KR because he likes living there then he needs to have money to support himself. That means getting a job that pays his rent and living costs. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On January 26 2013 13:59 revel8 wrote: If he is on a tourist visa and unable to get a job, then how can he become a pro-gamer? Is that not a job from a legal perspective? If he is in Korea but unable to get a paying job, then he should leave the country when his money runs out. Sounds pretty reckless to rely on gambling to avoid being homeless. Being homeless or virtually homeless because he has spent all his money, means it's time to get a job. Unless he plays in tournaments then he is never going to win any prize money. Getting money from streaming is not viable enough to support him or he would not have run out of money. Not to mention streaming income can be late or never actually paid (See Own3d debacle). He is not going to get any money from winning games on Ladder is he? Surely all that time beating Korean pro-gamers on KR GM ladder should have improved his game such that he could win money in online tournaments both in KR/Asia or in NA/EU. Many Koreans do this. If he is not good enough to do this then what is he doing? Snute spent time in KR practicing on ladder and then went home and used his improved skills to win money in Tournaments and a lucrative contract with TL. LS doesn't seem to have a plan to become a pro-gamer at all. We had players like MMA and Alicia having virtually no salary except prize-money at Slayers. These players proved they could win money at Tournaments. LS seemed to think he could get on a Korean team based on his ladder ranking and partaking in team tryouts? If this has not happened by the time your money runs out it, surely it is time to think of a new plan? I have nothing against LS personally but his actions seem illogical. If he is good enough to win lots of prize money in NA tournaments he should do that. If he is not good enough to do that then why would a KR team take him on? If he just wants to stay in KR because he likes living there then he needs to have money to support himself. That means getting a job that pays his rent and living costs. He used to play in playhems a lot. I remember seeing his name in the brackets. I don't think he ever won money in them however. Not 100% sure though. | ||
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Maxed
Canada14 Posts
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