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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
December 29 2012 20:09 GMT
#521
He hasn't looked as invincible lately as he did half a year ago. The low amount of games also makes it pretty volatile, which is why we had so 5 different champions in as many tournaments in 2012.

Still, really looking forward to it!
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
December 29 2012 20:15 GMT
#522
On December 30 2012 03:18 unix04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 12:22 Dosey wrote:
On December 29 2012 12:17 Assirra wrote:
On December 29 2012 12:00 Dosey wrote:
On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:
On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:
On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners.


Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too?


Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners.


Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it.

You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded.
What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp?
Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work.

Just because he has a team house over there doesn't mean that he can just drop everything to go over there and train for a month, then attempt code a qualifiers, then play through code a, and FINALLY play in code s if he manages those minefields. He could probably earn 10x more going abroad and winning whiteman events in that timeframe. Seeds entice top players that would otherwise not even bother.

He could and i have no doubt EG and sponsors would gladly pay him considering what an advertising move that would be.
If he wants to make more money then going through the qualifiers that his choice. But with choice comes consequences and now he gets best of both world that some people like me disagree with.

I don't think you understand how sponsors work... That would be a terrible pitch.

"HEY RAIDCALL, I HAVE A GENIUS IDEA!!! We're going to send Stephano to korea to train/play for 3 months to qualify for Code S! He's our most consistent foreign tournament player, but who cares about foreign stuff, even though you're a foreign based company! Pay for this dude to stay here for 3 months and POSSIBLY make it to the big stage of Code S while ignoring all foreign tournaments and getting your brand virtually no recognition! It's a sweet plan!"


You know it doesn't cost a lot to sponsor one player for 3 months in Korea. We are not talking tens of thousands in endorsements. It would be very little cost and sending him would increase their global footprint by adding Korea to their audience. In the case that stephano does make it far into code s that will translate to stronger brand recognition in other places in the world, especially when he returns to crash the foreign scene once again. Rc already has many players already to spread their brand in foreign tourneys. One less will not ruin their campaign. It really comes down to your confidence in Stephan but it's low risk high reward. Every once in a while it's ok to make a few bets like this especially if you are in the marketing industry.

Well, it's also about opportunity cost. What could Stephano do in those three-four months were he not stuck in Korea?

It's always about these kinds of decisions with sponsors and budgets.

But honestly, Stephano is the undisputed king among non-Koreans, he's won more money, more prestige, beat more Koreans than anyone else - he has nothing left to prove here. I think it's fine.
Quixotic_tv
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 21:15:02
December 29 2012 20:17 GMT
#523
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5bmnflB-8
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384515


In this interview he said he wouldn't participate in GSL because he thinks he is better at foreign tournaments where you cannot prepare very early for a special opponent, implying he is too lazy for preparing for Code S. I think he now has prepared a lot for this. He also said his mechanics are not too good, but he does very effective builds and has a very good map awareness. Maybe he is training and feels well enough for Code S.
Life always finds a way.
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
December 29 2012 21:30 GMT
#524
Let's see what he can do.
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
December 29 2012 22:43 GMT
#525
Is he being seeded or will he qualify?
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 29 2012 22:58 GMT
#526
On December 30 2012 07:43 The_Templar wrote:
Is he being seeded or will he qualify?



It's very easy to answer that question by reading the thread.
Repomies
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland73 Posts
December 29 2012 23:20 GMT
#527
I hope Stephano is dedicated enough to study his opponents and prepare for his matches. Otherwise I fear that he will meet a short gruesome end.
Scoggerbot
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States21 Posts
December 30 2012 03:00 GMT
#528
So pumped! :D
mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
December 30 2012 03:25 GMT
#529
Stephano is no fool. If he can't win here and now - he will never win - because right now zerg is so OP that he has a leg up on everyone and his zvz isn't too shabby!!

I think its a very smart move especially if he wins. I pray anyone wins but a zerg though - so tired of zergs.

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thrawn1020
Profile Joined April 2011
United States32 Posts
December 30 2012 05:03 GMT
#530
I do agree with the sentiment that it is low risk, high reward potential for Stephano. He will certainly not lose any credibility as a foreign player if he doesn't do well -- but it will help us to rank him a lot more accurately than he is right now. While Stephano has really taken over our attention, as he seems to win almost all the events he plays in, he also doesn't play a lot of events. He is not one of those players that seems to be at every event, hence it can really be tough to gauge him.

What I like about the idea of seeing him play in the GSL is the fact that he will have to play several rounds over many weeks and or months, presuming he does well. As this first GSL of 2013 will not end until the last part of March, we will have at least two different days of data, and at least two, or maybe all three of his matchups on display. Not only that, but we will see these data points over a period of time; it's not just one weekend that someone can prepare for and go beast mode on it. The GSL offers no period of rest for someone who wins it; You play two long days(Ro32, Ro16), one Best of 3(Bo5?) for the Ro8, one best of 5 for Ro4, and finally the Finals as Bo7. That's 6(!) days of play! You have to be supremely consistent, and realistically you have to play all the matchups at least once, showing great play in at least two of them. And that is just one of the reasons I consider it to be the hardest tournament in the world.
Good things come to those who are aggressive!
thrawn1020
Profile Joined April 2011
United States32 Posts
December 30 2012 05:20 GMT
#531
On December 30 2012 05:15 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 03:18 unix04 wrote:
On December 29 2012 12:22 Dosey wrote:
On December 29 2012 12:17 Assirra wrote:
On December 29 2012 12:00 Dosey wrote:
On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:
On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:
On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners.


Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too?


Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners.


Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it.

You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded.
What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp?
Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work.

Just because he has a team house over there doesn't mean that he can just drop everything to go over there and train for a month, then attempt code a qualifiers, then play through code a, and FINALLY play in code s if he manages those minefields. He could probably earn 10x more going abroad and winning whiteman events in that timeframe. Seeds entice top players that would otherwise not even bother.

He could and i have no doubt EG and sponsors would gladly pay him considering what an advertising move that would be.
If he wants to make more money then going through the qualifiers that his choice. But with choice comes consequences and now he gets best of both world that some people like me disagree with.

I don't think you understand how sponsors work... That would be a terrible pitch.

"HEY RAIDCALL, I HAVE A GENIUS IDEA!!! We're going to send Stephano to korea to train/play for 3 months to qualify for Code S! He's our most consistent foreign tournament player, but who cares about foreign stuff, even though you're a foreign based company! Pay for this dude to stay here for 3 months and POSSIBLY make it to the big stage of Code S while ignoring all foreign tournaments and getting your brand virtually no recognition! It's a sweet plan!"


You know it doesn't cost a lot to sponsor one player for 3 months in Korea. We are not talking tens of thousands in endorsements. It would be very little cost and sending him would increase their global footprint by adding Korea to their audience. In the case that stephano does make it far into code s that will translate to stronger brand recognition in other places in the world, especially when he returns to crash the foreign scene once again. Rc already has many players already to spread their brand in foreign tourneys. One less will not ruin their campaign. It really comes down to your confidence in Stephan but it's low risk high reward. Every once in a while it's ok to make a few bets like this especially if you are in the marketing industry.

Well, it's also about opportunity cost. What could Stephano do in those three-four months were he not stuck in Korea?

It's always about these kinds of decisions with sponsors and budgets.

But honestly, Stephano is the undisputed king among non-Koreans, he's won more money, more prestige, beat more Koreans than anyone else - he has nothing left to prove here. I think it's fine.


Well, it is most certainly not undisputed. Nothing in that conversation is ever undisputed, unless someone has a run good enough that we call them Bonjwha. And Stephano, while having done well, is not really close to that level. IMO he has a career that has been extremely well managed to show his best side, while attempting to if not cover up, at least mitigate any potential counterargument against his apparent "Best Foreigner" status. MC is the biggest money winner in SC2, and nobody is really considering him as the undisputed "Best Player". He travels a lot. He seems to finish around the top of the field. That's all well and good, but it's not like what Life did, winning a GSL and while he still had the title, winning one of the largest and most important foreigner offline weekend events. Stephano has not won more than one large major event in any year of his career. Undisputed best player status requires major wins, and more than one a year. I view Stephano as more of a Leenock than a Life. A player who has the ability to get there, but maybe his practice regimen is a little off sometimes, or he just isn't talking to the right practice parters, or something is happening in his life we don't know about. But when he finds something really good, he looks unstoppable. The problem is that he doesn't seem to find enough of them.
Good things come to those who are aggressive!
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
December 30 2012 06:40 GMT
#532
On December 30 2012 02:08 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 18:03 Emzeeshady wrote:
On December 29 2012 14:50 GolemMadness wrote:
On December 29 2012 14:41 Emzeeshady wrote:
On December 29 2012 14:03 LighT. wrote:
On December 29 2012 13:06 Meggiroth wrote:
Ask yourself this. What if he wins it all?
Where will your god be in that moment?

I think...
Flash will be busy:
Winning IPL6,
Winning Proleague MVP
Winning Proleague Title
Winning MLG
Winning OSL
Wnning Dreamhack
and he will forfeit his finals and give Stephano the win because it wouldnt be fair to win everything and leave people with nothing.

sigh, i thought Idra fanboys were bad


Idra hasn't won a major title, though. Flash has won a billion.

Flash has won nothing in the only game that matters right now


You don't have to be so aggressive


Though he may be blunt, he's very much in the right. There's been a bit of asymmetry in terms of skill translating from BW to SC2. For the moment, at least, BW results are indicative of very little. Some of the big stars have done well, and others have fallen flat on their ass.
We really are going to have to disregard BW results when examining the skill of players. Only SC2 results are relevant.

Also, I think the Flash superfan is nuts.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
December 30 2012 06:58 GMT
#533
so many pages in so few days...!
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
December 30 2012 14:42 GMT
#534
On December 30 2012 15:40 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 02:08 Linwelin wrote:
On December 29 2012 18:03 Emzeeshady wrote:
On December 29 2012 14:50 GolemMadness wrote:
On December 29 2012 14:41 Emzeeshady wrote:
On December 29 2012 14:03 LighT. wrote:
On December 29 2012 13:06 Meggiroth wrote:
Ask yourself this. What if he wins it all?
Where will your god be in that moment?

I think...
Flash will be busy:
Winning IPL6,
Winning Proleague MVP
Winning Proleague Title
Winning MLG
Winning OSL
Wnning Dreamhack
and he will forfeit his finals and give Stephano the win because it wouldnt be fair to win everything and leave people with nothing.

sigh, i thought Idra fanboys were bad


Idra hasn't won a major title, though. Flash has won a billion.

Flash has won nothing in the only game that matters right now


You don't have to be so aggressive


Though he may be blunt, he's very much in the right. There's been a bit of asymmetry in terms of skill translating from BW to SC2. For the moment, at least, BW results are indicative of very little. Some of the big stars have done well, and others have fallen flat on their ass.
We really are going to have to disregard BW results when examining the skill of players. Only SC2 results are relevant.

Also, I think the Flash superfan is nuts.


except for the fact that flash is already pretty damn good in sc2
also i dont see stephano going past the ro16
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
December 30 2012 15:59 GMT
#535
Out in first round, I'm calling it
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 30 2012 17:40 GMT
#536
Good luck to Stephano.
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ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
December 30 2012 18:26 GMT
#537
On December 31 2012 00:59 taldarimAltar wrote:
Out in first round, I'm calling it


I give it the first or second round. Stephano is the most predictable zerg in the foreign scene.
Nostradamus.146@AM, Nostradamus.398@KR, Nostradamus.922@EU http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/ins
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
December 30 2012 18:30 GMT
#538
On December 31 2012 03:26 ineversmile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 00:59 taldarimAltar wrote:
Out in first round, I'm calling it


I give it the first or second round. Stephano is the most predictable zerg in the foreign scene.


ya he always wins. so predictable
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 30 2012 18:43 GMT
#539
On December 31 2012 03:30 ratbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 03:26 ineversmile wrote:
On December 31 2012 00:59 taldarimAltar wrote:
Out in first round, I'm calling it


I give it the first or second round. Stephano is the most predictable zerg in the foreign scene.


ya he always wins. so predictable

If he always won why does he not have more then 1 big championship this year?
He is good but please, always winning is only from Mvp back before his wrists exploded.
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
December 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#540
On December 31 2012 03:43 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 03:30 ratbert wrote:
On December 31 2012 03:26 ineversmile wrote:
On December 31 2012 00:59 taldarimAltar wrote:
Out in first round, I'm calling it


I give it the first or second round. Stephano is the most predictable zerg in the foreign scene.


ya he always wins. so predictable

If he always won why does he not have more then 1 big championship this year?
He is good but please, always winning is only from Mvp back before his wrists exploded.


yeah i know. i was just making fun of people calling him "predictable" . his playstyle is probably one of the least predictable of the zergs around. roach hydra zvt, need i say more?
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
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