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On December 30 2012 07:58 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 07:43 The_Templar wrote:
Is he being seeded or will he qualify? It's very easy to answer that question by reading the thread.
Hmm... I may need better spectacles :o
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i liek p00p
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Always nice with a foreigner or two in GSL.
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On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that  Jinro  . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL.
Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes.
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On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes.
yeah that. u have a terrible eye sight.
anyways. i wish Stephano the best since i think he is the best foreigner yet to come out of the closet.
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On December 31 2012 14:29 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. I am sorry but the game was undiscovered, random and really unbalanced at that point. Jinro's two semifinal placings hold no standing imo. Even qualifying for the GSL in these days would be more impressive imo.
Discovered or not he still made it when no other foreigners did even at the same time. Most foreigners still lost early in GSL if they played of the select few that did.
But I honestly don't see a foreigner getting that far in the GSL anytime soon though ><.
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On December 31 2012 14:29 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. I am sorry but the game was undiscovered, random and really unbalanced at that point. Jinro's two semifinal placings hold no standing imo. Even qualifying for the GSL in these days would be more impressive imo.
Yeah but everyone, both koreans and foreigners, were worse. That's like saying Boxer or oov were less accomplished than some average kespa pro now because the level of play is so much higher
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On December 31 2012 14:46 GhostKorean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:29 Emzeeshady wrote:On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. I am sorry but the game was undiscovered, random and really unbalanced at that point. Jinro's two semifinal placings hold no standing imo. Even qualifying for the GSL in these days would be more impressive imo. Yeah but everyone, both koreans and foreigners, were worse. That's like saying Boxer or oov were less accomplished than some average kespa pro now because the level of play is so much higher
Idra and Tester were the best players in the BETA.
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On December 31 2012 14:29 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. I am sorry but the game was undiscovered, random and really unbalanced at that point. Jinro's two semifinal placings hold no standing imo. Even qualifying for the GSL in these days would be more impressive imo.
Then we should discount all accomplishments except the immediate ones because the game and the players almost always improve.
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OLD. He already told on last homestory cup.
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On December 31 2012 14:15 ChoDing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. yeah that. u have a terrible eye sight. anyways. i wish Stephano the best since i think he is the best foreigner yet to come out of the closet. Counter-arguments would be nice, but looking at the way you write, I believe that would be an overwhelming task for you, so I guess this is the extent of your abilities.
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On December 31 2012 14:29 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. I am sorry but the game was undiscovered, random and really unbalanced at that point. Jinro's two semifinal placings hold no standing imo. Even qualifying for the GSL in these days would be more impressive imo. That is always the premise; you evolve with the game, which will happen 3 years from now as well.
Anywhich way, I just illustrated that the person was wrong when he said that they never changed the metagame, because they did.
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On December 31 2012 14:29 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. I am sorry but the game was undiscovered, random and really unbalanced at that point. Jinro's two semifinal placings hold no standing imo. Even qualifying for the GSL in these days would be more impressive imo.
I am sure 3-4 years from now, people will say the same thing about WoL as a whole.
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On December 31 2012 14:46 GhostKorean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 14:29 Emzeeshady wrote:On December 31 2012 14:02 Dracolich70 wrote:On December 31 2012 13:12 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 11:24 docvoc wrote:On December 31 2012 10:08 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On December 31 2012 09:33 carloselcoco wrote:On December 31 2012 04:22 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
Lol people still arguing about Stephano. Jeesus he' s the most accomplished Foreigner vs Koreans. Find me 1 guy with the amount of games Stephano has vs Koreans that still has a better win %. Oh and he has beaten consistenly big names too.
Haters gonna hate I guess. Actually, Jinro's record was batter than Stephano's before he retired. how many games did jinro have ? well, there is an easy way to see about that Jinro . I love TLPD :D. though you gotta remember when Jinro was in his prime, he was INSANELY good, like he TLO and HuK (and HayprO) were with oGs and pretty much kicking ass day and night. EDIT: go to the liquipedia page and don't look at the statistics, those are most recent which is not a good display of the Gorilla terran's dominance. as far as I remember these guys were good but never kicking that much korean ass. Let alone kick it consistenly for a couple years or even change the metagame of matchups. Jinro kind of did, with his mech play, while few others played that way in Korea. His two semi-finals in GSL are also unmatched by a foreigner, and I do not see it being beaten. Needless to say there weren't many other matchups between koreans and foreigners at that time, other than GSL. Ret was also one of the first, if not the first to drone heavily, and make 14 hatchery. Lastly, TLO has always been the most innovative player - at least in my eyes. I am sorry but the game was undiscovered, random and really unbalanced at that point. Jinro's two semifinal placings hold no standing imo. Even qualifying for the GSL in these days would be more impressive imo. Yeah but everyone, both koreans and foreigners, were worse. That's like saying Boxer or oov were less accomplished than some average kespa pro now because the level of play is so much higher
If you stay consistent like Boxer over a long period of time it is very different. But I find Flash's run more impressive but there was more competition.
At the beginning of a game, fewer players play. Very few foreigner have the opportunity to go to Korea. Korean doesn't have the time to get the most out of their practice regime, their team house or their coach. The game is a bigger work in progress, so if you find an innovative strategy like Jinro did it's gonna carry you a lot more (and after that you'll have trouble to do good results or even ok result). All that makes it more likely to have a foreigner do good in Korea.
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I wish this happened back in quarter 1 - 2012, when Stephano was steam-rolling on everyone. But hey, better late than never.
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On December 31 2012 07:42 Doulmaigus wrote:
I'm not sure if he has the capacity to go far in there. But I surely hope he does! GL
Unfortunately, this. Best of luck.
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this is stephano's chance to prove his hype..
if he flounders, im not so sure his title as best foreigner will be re-thought
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On December 30 2012 00:38 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Currently Stephano would ruin Idra in a ZvZ
Idra beat stephano at the WCS world finals.
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Good timing since this will be the last WoL GSL before HOTS comes out, no other time to prove himself for WoL. I'm pretty sure EG had a big part in making Stephano move to Korea for a longer period of time and compete in Korean tournaments.
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